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Adieu, adieu, to yieu-and yieu-and yieuU!

Posted by Mr. Poe | May 9, 2008 10:52 AM

But Jim Carville says that if they go back in time and prevent the states that went to Obama from ever being admitted into the Union Hillary can STILL win this thing!!!

Seriously, I still think this is turning into the political version of Sunset Boulevard. I am expecting her to have her big close up in a couple of days!

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | May 9, 2008 10:54 AM


Who ends up being fished out of the pool?

Posted by NapoleonXIV | May 9, 2008 11:07 AM

I accept that Hillary will not "beat" Obama. However, until Obama has enough delagates to clinch, it's still a race.

If Obama does not have enough delegates to clinch, it's not required for Hillary to provide them to him simply because he has more than she currently does.

The required amount of delegates matters because that is the agreed upon bar for a candidate to get the nomination. If they don't have it, the don't have it. It's still an open race.

I understand Obama folks think he's the right candidate, and I'll get behind him when he crosses the finish line. Until then I don't particularly feel like Obama has won. In fact I think it very well may turn out he might lose at a brokered convention.

There's nothing wrong with that if all the rules are followed. He and his supporters will have to look back and realize they never truly finished her off.

That's my point, it's not up to Hillary to capitulate. It's up to Obama to finish the job. He has not done so yet.

Posted by Pillory of Hillary | May 9, 2008 11:49 AM

He already has enough delegates to clinch. You just don't know it yet. If they agreed to seat FL and MI as-is, he'd have enough.

Posted by Fnarf | May 9, 2008 11:52 AM

Fnarf: um, wanna run the numbers on that by us? Last I heard, FL's delegation was still majority-uncommitted, and MI's was still majority-clinton.

Pillory: acknowledging that you are correct on the facts -- there is no requirement that Hillary concede, and nobody knows what might happen at a brokered convention -- do you actually think this is a good idea for the party? Seriously? Do you really think Hillary wins the general election after that scenario?

No, I don't think there would be a mass movement of Obama supporters flocking to McCain -- please -- but it's hard to see them opening their wallets to a Clinton campaign afterward, and money counts for as much as votes in the general.

And yes, before you ask: if the count were reversed, I'd want Obama to pack it in at this point.

Posted by Doctor Memory | May 9, 2008 12:44 PM

@5 Fnarf

Err, no. 2,025 is the total needed to win assuming Florida and Michigan DON'T count.

2,208 would be needed if Florida and Michigan are seated. Why on earth would Hilary be fighting for FL and MI if they'd end the race for Obama?


Posted by deeplennon | May 9, 2008 1:30 PM

Because at this point ANY extra delegates for Obama put him closer, even if she gets more. And "uncommitted" means "Obama". But you go on pretending, that's cool.

Posted by Fnarf | May 9, 2008 5:06 PM

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