Slog - Comments on Shorter Crosscut http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut Rail was invented a long time ago, therefore rail is dumb. (Next week on Crosscut: Walking--SO Precambrian!)... Copyright 2008 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:06:39 -0800 Wed, 14 May 2008 08:59:13 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by StrangerDanger Um, am I the only one who does not know what "Precambrian" means?

]]> StrangerDanger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023824 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023824 City Tue, 13 May 2008 18:18:32 -0800 Comment by Patrick Hey, look at it this way: at least we have a 100% reliable source of grump in our lives -- and right at our fingertips. Back in the old days, you'd have to spend half an hour riding a streetcar to your grandfather's house.

]]> Patrick http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023830 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023830 City Tue, 13 May 2008 18:29:05 -0800 Comment by Fnarf You know, they're right -- streetcars are ass. Slow, at grade, stuck in traffic, completely unsegregated and thus dangerous.

It's also a bit mystifying how we had such overwhelming civic anguish over the monorail, voting on it FIVE TIMES, yet are now proceeding with streetcar plans with no voting at all, and seemingly no public discussion or interest. They're just doing it.

Ross also covers the history of clusterfucking and missed opportunities well, and offers (gasp!) conflicting viewpoints.

What we're doing is making absolutely sure we get the worst possible combinations of systems for the maximum possible cost. The correct analogy isn't a Mercedes, as in the article, but a car with square wheels.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023832 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023832 City Tue, 13 May 2008 18:30:03 -0800 Comment by Fnarf No, StrangerDanger -- Erica doesn't either.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023834 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023834 City Tue, 13 May 2008 18:32:41 -0800 Comment by PC PreCambrian: "Back in the PreCambrian Era, one could only go down to Oxford, there was no good alternative, by jove, don't you konw?"

]]> PC http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023849 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023849 City Tue, 13 May 2008 18:49:42 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Sorry, PC -- the noun or adjectival form for Cambridge is Cantabrigian, not Cambrian.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023854 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023854 City Tue, 13 May 2008 18:52:26 -0800 Comment by MvB I had to laugh at that "19th century" crack, Erica, considering you could buy a car in 1865. And Fnarf, it's funny isn't it, it's totally useless technology and yet you see it everywhere you travel. When will people learn!

]]> MvB http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023856 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023856 City Tue, 13 May 2008 18:52:59 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Nowhere in Erica's piece do I see "19th Century". Nor is it true in any meaningful sense that you could buy a car in 1865. Realistic car production -- models you could widely purchase, not novelties -- began in the early 1900s.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023864 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023864 City Tue, 13 May 2008 19:03:05 -0800 Comment by Baxter I want mass transit as much as the next career pedestrian, but this Ross fellow is right, you know. The S.L.U.T. is definitely not the solution to our transportation problem.

]]> Baxter http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023868 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023868 City Tue, 13 May 2008 19:08:50 -0800 Comment by LH Councilmember Nick Licata and Peter Sherwin on one side and Councilmember Jan Drago and James Kelly on the other - of opposing positions on the Streetcar Network Proposal:

http://www.seattlechannel.org/CityInsideOut/

]]> LH http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023875 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023875 City Tue, 13 May 2008 19:17:46 -0800 Comment by bluh? In other news, apparently there is an obscure blog called Crosscut on the internet.

]]> bluh? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023901 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023901 City Tue, 13 May 2008 19:51:07 -0800 Comment by collie Shorter Slog: Horse and buggy may clog the streets with manure, but at least it's not the bus. Plus, the Sierra Club is backing it.

]]> collie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023919 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023919 City Tue, 13 May 2008 20:18:57 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Crosscut?

Is that like the "paper" for Skid Row inhabitants?

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023924 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023924 City Tue, 13 May 2008 20:22:32 -0800 Comment by MonkeyNose Hey ECB! You forgot to mention that this particular idiot doesn't even live in Seattle. I'm sure that day-to-day life in Port Townsend has given him a special lens on what we need.

And his crack about trolley's not working on water? Now I understand why he gets the privilege to knock-elbows with good 'ol Knute.

]]> MonkeyNose http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023964 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023964 City Tue, 13 May 2008 21:21:46 -0800 Comment by ho' know a streetcar network is dumb. 70 years after having torn the city's previous streetcar network, we're going to rebuild it?

how's that again?

]]> ho' know http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023982 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1023982 City Tue, 13 May 2008 22:11:30 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle It's all about Fremont.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024015 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024015 City Wed, 14 May 2008 00:56:16 -0800 Comment by Tim Ross Anderson, washed up Seattle Times columnist, Discovery Institute fellow, and Port Townsend resident doesn't like trains.

I wonder when he proposes replacing the state ferry system with hundreds of small Intelligently Designed private foot ferries?

Dinosaurs are not extinct - they're on life support.

]]> Tim http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024019 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024019 City Wed, 14 May 2008 01:53:09 -0800 Comment by just askin' We are supposed to get new bus service in King County from "Transit Now." We voted for higher sales taxes in 2006. When's the "transit" and the "now" part of Transit Now scheduled to begin?

]]> just askin' http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024032 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024032 City Wed, 14 May 2008 07:02:44 -0800 Comment by Greg We should use the example of Third Avenue as a model for other bus system tweaks.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024060 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/shorter_crosscut#c1024060 City Wed, 14 May 2008 08:59:13 -0800