Slog - Comments on Ooh, Sexism AND Racism

Comment by Fly-Over Illinois

Fly-Over Illinois — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:56:21 -0800

They have fresh veggi's?

Comment by lostboy

lostboy — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:56:22 -0800

Ok, the line about HRC and OJ is vile and offensive, yes, but how exactly is it sexist?

Comment by Ummagumma

Ummagumma — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:56:50 -0800

Really? I didn't know that Muslims ate bananas.

Comment by elenchos

elenchos — Tue, 13 May 2008 13:57:19 -0800

Erica, you will never get your priorities straight. If I were news editor at the Stranger I'd be interviewing women at Ft. Lewis and McChord about rape and not wasting my time with chickenshit reader boards and t-shirts.

Comment by THAT is a sexist comment Erica!

THAT is a sexist comment Erica! — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:01:06 -0800

Is it just me or does Erica need laid?

Comment by Non

Non — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:03:27 -0800

It's strange too because everybody should know that the monkey symbology is usually reserved for Dubya.

Comment by I, Anonymous

I, Anonymous — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:03:35 -0800

I never realized just how much Obama looks like Curious George. It's uncanny.

Comment by heywhatsit

heywhatsit — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:04:47 -0800

This Mulligan is a disgrace to the Irish!

Comment by Wurm

Wurm — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:06:03 -0800

sorry Erica, wanting a woman dead doean't mean that the person is sexist. Each time that a claim of sexism is thrown out there incorrectly (especially from a female reporter) it weakens the true charges of sexism that still need to be overcome.

Comment by Joseph

Joseph — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:10:12 -0800

Journalists have to quantify everything. That's how they remain objective. The list serve-hounding bloggers just come out and say what they think is right (not that you're wrong on this issue).

That's the magic of this whole Internet thing. You can 'page the objective media' without actually having to communicate with anyone. I like both methods, personally.

Comment by Mr. Poe

Mr. Poe — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:12:04 -0800

I'm beginning to not like you again. I was hoping your new workload would somehow pipe you down, but it seems to have taken a completely different turn.

You're becoming almost as annoying as I am. Have fun with that.

Comment by Cato the Younger Younger

Cato the Younger Younger — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:12:58 -0800

#9 is the winner.

But the Stranger does what the rest of the media does: blows all things out of proportion. But at least they do not choke us with sappy mindless human interest stories. For that we can watch the elderly blonde chick on King 5 News for !!!

Comment by NapoleonXIV

NapoleonXIV — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:13:20 -0800

The second sign is not saying that Hillary is somehow unfit, or incompetent due to her sex, ECB.

It's simply wishing her a gruesome, bloody death.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:13:30 -0800

Jeez, Erica, you should have heard my 80-year-old (but still compos mentis) mother the other day in the restaurant, ranting that she'd like to kill Hillary. I thought we were going to have to tape her mouth shut before the Secret Service came rappelling down the wall.

Comment by Wurm

Wurm — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:17:29 -0800

wow, and Erica pulled my post which politely pointed out how it wasn't sexist and she is doing a disservice to actual problems being caused by sexism

good job!, go reporter go!!!

Comment by w7ngman

w7ngman — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:17:52 -0800

The shirt plays on racial stereotypes, but more importantly also reminds us of who he will be replacing.

Comment by Wurm

Wurm — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:18:44 -0800

whoops!, there it is, stupid reload button :P

Comment by also

also — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:19:24 -0800

I'm also mystified about the sexism. If this (tasteless) sign betrays anti-woman sentiment, would a sign that said "Why couldn't George Bush have married Lizzie Borden" be anti-male?

Or am I putting too much thought into this? Sometimes I think ECB could look at three Rorschachs and say "sexist! sexist! sexist!"?

Comment by Hernandez

Hernandez — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:22:02 -0800

I agree with 9 and 13 - the Mulligan's sign is vile, crude and mean-spirited, but simply wishing she was dead is not, in and of itself, sexist.

Comment by jackie treehorn

jackie treehorn — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:23:32 -0800

Curious George does not appear to have lips, which is both terrifying, and a clue that if these were supposed to be a throwback to ape-themed racial cartoons (like the kind they still have in Holland depicting black peet and Sinterklaus)then they totally did a half-assed job.

In a related story, the man in the yellow hat hates the Chinese. And irony.

Comment by ben

ben — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:24:42 -0800

Given that domestic violence is a kind of misogyny, and that in invoking OJ specifically this sign is advocating domestic violence, I am surprised that so many commenters here are so quick to say this isn't sexism.

Comment by lostboy

lostboy — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:25:13 -0800

What Wurm @9 said.� Erica, you are a talented reporter whose credibility has been badly damaged by a series of fallacious and rabidly partisan anti-anti-Hillary posts.� By persisting with the idea that any attack on Hillary is ipso facto sexist, you risk making the damage permanent, but not only to your own reputation.� Anti-feminist ideologues will begin using your more egregious positions as rallying cries, just as you now seize on extremist gaffes to tar your opponents as a group.

Just like Dems who advocate fighting right-wingers with their own dirty tactics, you are damaging the very cause you so passionately fight for.

Comment by Jerod

Jerod — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:25:22 -0800

The best thing about that billboard is how the "I" statement is sandwiched between the two descriptions of the bars goods and services. Priceless.

Comment by gad

gad — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:34:21 -0800

Why is OJ's innocence continually mocked?

Comment by NapoleonXIV

NapoleonXIV — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:43:47 -0800

Why can you only get fresh veggies three hours out of the day?

Comment by Cato the Younger Younger

Cato the Younger Younger — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:54 -0800

@24, racism is why, racism. Or reverse sexism? I honestly am not sure which it is with Erica.

Comment by diggum

diggum — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:53:20 -0800

Hey, it would be better then OJ marrying a man. And if Hillary and OJ WERE married, I bet Mulligan would be happy to give them free veggies, between 11 and 2, of course.

sincerely,
diggum

Comment by Vince

Vince — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:56:32 -0800

Bad taste. Something were known around the world for.

Comment by Abe

Abe — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:59:12 -0800

the Real Killer is their CRAZZZY happy hour menu!

Comment by michael strangeways

michael strangeways — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:03:51 -0800

America is racist and sexist?

WTF?!?!?!

Quit yanking my chain!

Comment by keshmeshi

keshmeshi — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:53 -0800

@30,

I know. Next she'll say that it's homophobic.

Comment by King Rat

King Rat — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:11:02 -0800

That kind of sign is put out by the kind of people who believe that Hillary and Bill had Vincent Foster offed. Remember, there is a 15 year campaign from the right-wing (aided and abetted by the media and many left-wingers even) to demonize and vilify the Clintons.

Comment by TCO

TCO — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:18:46 -0800

God the South simply sucks ass. It's as if they revel in their stupidity. Fuckers will never change. One of the big reasons I left that god-forsaken part of the country

Comment by ivan

ivan — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:23:20 -0800

Lostboy @ 22:

Sorry, Erica is neither talented nor a reporter.

Comment by brandon

brandon — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:53 -0800

of course! this sign was produced by the vast right-wing conspiracy! from ken starr to skanky bar marquees, they've left no stone unturned. clever bastards. what will they think of next?

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:40:59 -0800

I think they call this "deflecting an attack on someone who can't figure out she's lost by whining about how mean people are in wanting you to stop helping Kaiser McCain and his Red Bushies".

Fresh veggies are always good.

But wash them first.

Comment by NapoleonXIV

NapoleonXIV — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:44:50 -0800

After fifteen years of reading about stupid anti-Hillary reader boards scattered through the deep South like Burma Shave signs, I really can't muster the outrage to tut-tut yet another.

Comment by laterite

laterite — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:51:15 -0800

In being misogynist, they promote miscegenation. How interesting. The South's cognitive dissonance shall RISE again!

Comment by wahtevernevermind

wahtevernevermind — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:53:50 -0800

Hating Hillary is not being sexist, it's being rational.

Expressing that hatred as a gruesome joke isn't being sexist, it's being tasteless.

Whining about other people hating Hillary and labeling it as sexism isn't being smart, interesting or correct. I'm sorry, but it's being pathetic. That's just the truth.

It's not news that there's sexism, but if you're going to write about it -- and please don't, because you and those like you have rendered the subject boring, if not irritating, while in service to Clinton, who deserves none of your respect or support -- how about using an actual, real example of it?

Comment by poppy

poppy — Tue, 13 May 2008 16:41:30 -0800

Thanks Slog. Wishing that a woman would have married a man so that he could abuse her, beat her, and kill her once she leaves him is not sexist. Greeeeeeeat. And Curious George is just a cute monkey.

Comment by poppy

poppy — Tue, 13 May 2008 16:44:09 -0800

The misogynists of Slog remind me of my grandparents, who couldn't seem to understand how the n-word was racist. Insulting a black person with the n-word isn't racist because you insult white people too, right Slog commenters?

Comment by NapoleonXIV

NapoleonXIV — Tue, 13 May 2008 16:48:26 -0800

I'm still waiting for my 2008 Misogynists of Slog Calendar to arrive.

Comment by Bellevue Ave

Bellevue Ave — Tue, 13 May 2008 16:59:03 -0800

poppy, when will you start having a relevant point to anything?

Comment by Jason E

Jason E — Tue, 13 May 2008 16:59:16 -0800

Poor, poor Erica. How do you get up each morning and face the vicious, cruel lot that is the fate of the professional victim? Why, it must be exhausting! And the toll of constantly being aggravated and aggrieved at every perceived slight & insult, no matter how tendentious or idiotic. You poor, poor, poor thing. It almost makes me feel bad for you! But then I remember that you actually have nothing better to do...

Comment by Mikeblanco

Mikeblanco — Tue, 13 May 2008 17:28:57 -0800

West Virginia was on the Union side in the Civil War, as was Indianna for that matter. While there is a lot of ignorance in the south, it certainly doesn't have a monopoly.

Comment by ben

ben — Tue, 13 May 2008 17:33:47 -0800

Of course hating on Hillary is not automatically sexist. And of course making a gruesome joke about her or anybody else is not automatically sexist. But certainly some gruesome jokes are sexist, right?

Surely we all agree that if this sign said "I wish Hillary were raped" then it that would be sexist, yes?

So when some of us see this sign, we see it as saying "I wish somebody killed Hillary." But others of us see this sign as saying "I wish Hillary were the victim of domestic abuse."

Can't people here at least allow that the latter reading of the sign is plausible too, so it's not absolutely crazy for ECB to see this as a sexist joke about domestic violence?

Comment by spencer

spencer — Tue, 13 May 2008 17:37:19 -0800

The sign doesn't surprise me, but I'm still with Ben @21 and Poppy @40. Or maybe there would also be nothing sexist about this: Too bad Hillary's dad wasn't Yazidi.

Comment by dreamboatcaptain

dreamboatcaptain — Tue, 13 May 2008 17:58:58 -0800

I wish Hillary had married O.J. too, because in an alternate universe O.J. would then be the president!

Comment by A

Tue, 13 May 2008 19:49:33 -0800

I am -
* Male
* NOT a Hillary fan - she was my fifth or sixth choice (Above Biden and Gravel)
*Annoyed by people looking for victimization everywhere they can find it.
* Instantly struck by the sexism in the sign. Why is it sexist?
- Because it reminds us that a women should be considered in terms of whom she married.
- Perpetuates the notion that domestic violence is funny. Like it or not, domestic violence is almost always about gender roles.

If the sign read: I wish Cheney woud invite Hillary on his next hunting trip" it would be vicious and violent, but not nearly so obviously sexist.

Comment by Julie

Julie — Tue, 13 May 2008 20:12:06 -0800

Ben, Ben, Ben. You are far too rational for the likes of Slog. Please stop. You'll upset the natives.

Comment by evan

evan — Fri, 16 May 2008 04:41:10 -0800

The anti-Hillary sign IS sexist, in that Nichole Simpson was the victim of sexist violence ( before her murder also). She was a battered spouse. Everyone focusing on O.J.'s presumed guilt or innocence seems to forget that.
I notice that the Mulligans sign also offers free meals to border patrol agents - a portion of whom are no better than racist vigilante thugs who relish enforcing racist immigration policies, terrorizing border communities in the U.S., and cavorting with white supremacists. Somehow I doubt the anti-Hillary sign has anything to do with Obama. Mulligan sounds like a likely McCain voter.