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<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham</link>
<description> 24-year-old David Duncan Clark died after a four-hour standoff with police. As KOMO reports, officers were called to Clark&apos;s home after getting calls that he and three other people were &quot;acting disorderly and throwing objects out the windows.&quot; When police arrived, Clark reportedly flashed a weapon from the front porch then retreated into the house, instigating a four-hour, SWAT-team-enhanced standoff. &quot;At some point, Clark charged at police with the gun,&quot; reports KOMO. &quot;After attempting to disarm the man by shooting at him with immobilizing beanbags, two officers discharged their firearms at him. Clark then retreated into the house...Officers broke...</description>
<copyright>Copyright 2008</copyright>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:10:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by john cocktosin</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>A pretty simple rule of thumb to avoid being shot by the police is to not point a gun or anything that might be mistaken as a gun at them.</p>]]></description>
<author>john cocktosin</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011412</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011412</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:14:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by El Seven</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Based on his actions, it seems that he wanted to be killed.  Waving a pellet gun around is not what people do to get people to understand that they need help, it's what they do to get shot.  I'm actually surprised that the cops had as much restraint as they did.</p>]]></description>
<author>El Seven</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011414</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011414</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:15:21 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<blockquote>When a tragic event takes place, we must remember that <b>those involved are real people</b>. They are more than the sum of their parts.</blockquote>

<blockquote>For what's it's worth, cops reportedly tried to subdue Duncan with bean-bag shots and a Taser before fatally shooting him in the back.</blockquote>

<p>Yes, after he charged them, the cops, who are actual people involved, not someone close to the "victim" who thinks that someone with mental instability and with what appears to be a real gun. It's a nice letter, but "appalled"? Please. This entire situation was level--there is no reason to be "appalled" by the behavior of the BPD. This whole letter exists to pin down some judgment on the police, not remember a Dave.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011425</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011425</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:22:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a good chunk somehow got removed there. Must have deleted a highlight. Oh well.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011426</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011426</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:23:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Suicide by cop, pure and simple. Dangerous kook.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fifty-Two-Eighty</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011429</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011429</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:24:21 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dave</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p><i>"He was sick and needed help. He struggled to maintain his hold on reality and we (friends and family) gave as much support as we could."</i></p>

<p>So wait.  You knew he needed help, but all you did was offer him "support"? Why didn't you get him the help that he needed?<br />
   </p>]]></description>
<author>Dave</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011439</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011439</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:28:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ummmm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I really hate to post this comment because it is likely that the person who wrote this letter will read it and be further upset, however it really appears that the BPD is not in the wrong in this instance. Anytime there is a person acting irrational with a weapon, it is reasonable to call in the SWAT team. While unfortunate that the person was killed, it is unreasonable to expect the police to not shoot a person charging at them with what looks like a gun. I mourn the loss of life but the police actions seem justified.</p>]]></description>
<author>ummmm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011454</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011454</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:37:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Hernandez</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>If you charge at police with a gun, they will shoot you, regardless of your mental health status.  Are the police supposed to let any individual wave around firearms at will just because they're mentally unstable?  No. </p>]]></description>
<author>Hernandez</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011461</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011461</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:42:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by poppy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>One more taze or beanbag could have brought him down.  I don't know the details, but I really doubt the SWAT team in a standoff was in the position of being killed by a single man in a house with a gun.  I'd really like to know how he was shot in the <i>back</i> if he was an imminent threat to the officers' lives.</p>

<p>I hope none of the above commenters ever know or are one of the 25% of people who have a temporary mental health crisis in your lifetime.  I doubt you would consider it justification for death then.</p>]]></description>
<author>poppy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011462</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011462</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:42:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@7</p>

<p>Exactly. He was given a chance to be held responsible for his actions. He was given plenty. Are the cops supposed to do a background check before trying to subdue someone with a gun? Yeah that's not ridiculous. So say that they did, and knew the person has a history of mental illness, is that when they're supposed to put the guns in the car and "talk" to the person with a history of mental illness who has a gun?</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011463</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011463</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:43:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Giffy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@9 maybe because he was threatening one officer when another took the shot. They weren't necessarily just standing all perfectly lined up. </p>

<p>Sorry but when it comes down the life an officer or the life a person threatening the officer with a gun, I'm going to come down on the side of the officer. </p>]]></description>
<author>Giffy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011475</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011475</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:51:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by w7ngman</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah really. Sending in the SWAT team is legit.</p>

<p>That said, the author has a lot of legit questions in paragraph 4. Namely, how did he end up getting shot in the back? Why no tazer?</p>]]></description>
<author>w7ngman</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011479</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011479</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:52:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by El Seven</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@9,  I do understand that I would think differently if a relative or loved one was killed in this fashion.  But it's important to look at these things as an unbiased third party or emotion would cloud judgment.  Especially if it ever came down to a legal matter to determine if things happened in a criminal way.</p>]]></description>
<author>El Seven</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011491</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011491</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:56:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Tiktok</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Was he black?  Whenever I read about cops shooting someone in the back after an "armed" standoff, I assume the SPD has shot yet another black guy for which no-one will lose their job.</p>]]></description>
<author>Tiktok</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011505</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011505</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:04:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Hernandez</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@14 - This incident took place in Bellingham.</p>]]></description>
<author>Hernandez</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011516</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011516</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:09:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by poppy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#11:  I agree.  But this was a SWAT team in a standoff situation.  If their lives were endangered, why were they put in that position to begin with?  They knew there was a man with a gun inside the house.  There could be a perfect explanation, but right now it doesn't make sense to me.</p>

<p>PS I have a horrible habit of looking up people's myspaces in this situation.  He was in a club called "Western Men Against Violence" and last logged in the day of his death.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.myspace.com/desaltama" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/desaltama</a></p>]]></description>
<author>poppy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011522</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011522</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:12:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Giffy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@16, I'm unclear what you mean. He was holed up in the house with the swat team outside presumably attempting to to talk him out. He then charged the officers with a weapon. They attempted to use nonlethal force, that failed, so he was shot by one of them before he hurt or killed someone. Seems reasonable to me. </p>]]></description>
<author>Giffy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011532</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011532</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:16:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by poppy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The officers obviously weren't sitting there unprotected while this guy had a gun.  SWAT teams often bust into houses to take down people with guns in standoff situations with no hostages.  The point of a SWAT team is to protect officers from guns.</p>]]></description>
<author>poppy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011610</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011610</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:28:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Matt from Denver</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Where's gurldoggie to spout venom at the murderous cops? I was looking forward to reading one of those "cops are ALWAYS bad" rants.</p>]]></description>
<author>Matt from Denver</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011766</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1011766</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:46:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Greg</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Mental illness or not, people should know that if you wave a gun around at the police, you will die.</p>]]></description>
<author>Greg</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1012283</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1012283</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:22:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Colin</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"Someone must be held accountable for Dave’s death."</p>

<p>I couldn't agree more.  Let's start with David.</p>

<p>Looks like 20 took my comment just before I put it down.  You charge the cops waving a gun, you get shot.  Done, end of story.  I don't care if you're black, white or arab.  Don't care if you're sane (Can't imagine how a sane person would charge the swat team like that) or nuts.  If you're really lucky they'll try non-lethal things first, like this time.  Either way, you wave a gun at a cop, you die.  </p>]]></description>
<author>Colin</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1012419</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1012419</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:59:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jordan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>So here's the thing, I live less than 3 blocks from this house, literally just down the street, and I didn't know any of this happened until the next day when my mom (of all people) called me and told me.</p>

<p>Last time I knew of Bellingham police tasering someone, it lasted for 2 hours and I watched it from my window (not where I live now). The b'ham police probably did use excessive force, but in my interactions with them (few and far between) they have been mostly people who are trying to enforce the law and protect the community.</p>]]></description>
<author>Jordan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1012900</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1012900</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:02:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Sam</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I've played music with Dave. I didn't know him very well. Only played with him a few times, but he was damn good and I really enjoyed it. I consider my music skills to be pretty basic, but to Dave, he heard beats and just wanted to jam. I really appreciated that.</p>

<p>I'm not a big fan of death, so it bothers me that Dave died. But Dave was a kooky cat, and it appears to be the consensus around here that he was on something other than booze.</p>

<p>Dave wasn't just tased once. It was multiple times and he kept getting up. That's a bad sign.</p>

<p>I'm sorry it happened, but I know that the cops did their best. I don't envy anyone in this situation. I can't imagine taking another person's life.</p>]]></description>
<author>Sam</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013093</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013093</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:43:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by katy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>hey jack ass...</p>

<p>if you (the stranger) had any real reporting skills you would have known that they tased him twice AFTER they shot him. A simple phone call to the BPD or prosecuting attorney office would have given you access to that information. Dont just regeratate information from the Bellingham Herald get off your ass and do your own work!</p>

<p>and to all you other assholes. Dave did NOT DO DRUGS. And the "3 that left the house" repeatedly told police that Dave does not own a real gun, hes just drunk, crazy and upset. </p>]]></description>
<author>katy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013202</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013202</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 09:54:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by katy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>hey jack ass...</p>

<p>if you (the stranger) had any real reporting skills you would have known that they tased him twice AFTER they shot him. A simple phone call to the BPD or prosecuting attorney office would have given you access to that information. Dont just regeratate information from the Bellingham Herald get off your ass and do your own work!</p>

<p>and to all you other assholes. Dave did NOT DO DRUGS. And the "3 that left the house" repeatedly told police that Dave does not own a real gun, hes just drunk, crazy and upset. </p>]]></description>
<author>katy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013203</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013203</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 09:54:51 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by katy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>hey jack ass...</p>

<p>if you (the stranger) had any real reporting skills you would have known that they tased him twice AFTER they shot him. A simple phone call to the BPD or prosecuting attorney office would have given you access to that information. Dont just regeratate information from the Bellingham Herald get off your ass and do your own work!</p>

<p>and to all you other assholes. Dave did NOT DO DRUGS. And the "3 that left the house" repeatedly told police that Dave does not own a real gun, hes just drunk, crazy and upset. </p>

<p>and to everyone>>>why the hell do you feel he deserved to be shoot? he allegedly charged the police but was shot in his BACK. WTF?</p>]]></description>
<author>katy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013204</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013204</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 09:56:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by katy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>hey jack ass...</p>

<p>if you (the stranger) had any real reporting skills you would have known that they tased him twice AFTER they shot him. A simple phone call to the BPD or prosecuting attorney office would have given you access to that information. Dont just regeratate information from the Bellingham Herald get off your ass and do your own work!</p>

<p>and to all you other assholes. Dave did NOT DO DRUGS. And the "3 that left the house" repeatedly told police that Dave does not own a real gun, hes just drunk, crazy and upset. </p>

<p>and to everyone>>>why the hell do you feel he deserved to be shoot? he allegedly charged the police but was shot in his BACK. WTF?</p>]]></description>
<author>katy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013205</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013205</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 09:56:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by dave west</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>He was my best friend,and I believe  this was nobodys fault.  Not even the police.  I was given a copy of the autopsy report and I believe they did what they could to take control.  Dave was very ill, and very scared.  We all tried to get him help, but non of us could have ever thought it could ever come to this.  However, he was  genuinely terified that the police were  coming to take him away every night and day due to an untreated psychotic delusion, only to have them appear at your door.  I guess it just pushed him over the edge.  All we can do is speculate...all of us.  Its wrong for anyone to say otherwise because no one will ever know but dave.  All I know is that he was a good man.  He really was.  He took care of me and was always there since we were kids.  I don't know who wrote this but you're probably a friend of mine and I miss him too, but getting angry and demanding badges won't bring him back.  Just remember the good things and ignore the press and ones who dont know the whole truth...</p>]]></description>
<author>dave west</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013384</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1013384</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:20:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dr. Poo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>If the police had the time and resources, to call in swat and enter a FOUR hr standoff, don't they have the time to do a simple background check? It seems that most police have the mentality that its them or us, and it sure as hell is not going to be them. Someday police wont have the right to kill you...I hope.</p>]]></description>
<author>Dr. Poo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1019819</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/one_week_ago_today_in_bellingham#c1019819</guid>
<category>Life</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 11:23:45 -0800</pubDate>
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