Slog - Comments on Nate Lippens's Author Archive http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive We recently discovered that an art review by Nate Lippens published in The Stranger in August 2004 bears striking similarities to an art review by John Miller published in ArtForum in the summer of 2002. Both pieces were about the artist Trisha Donnelly, and certain passages of Miller's review appeared almost verbatim in Lippens's review. For example, Miller wrote: Word had it that the artist, dressed as a Napoleonic courier, rode into the gallery on a white horse, read a message of surrender, turned around and rode out. You had to be there. The rest of the show made no... Copyright 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 15:05:24 -0800 Sat, 17 May 2008 13:35:36 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Bub Thank you, Mr. Frizzelle.

]]> Bub http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024713 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024713 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:10:39 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe I don't get it. How fucking stupid do you have to be to plagiarize outside of High School homework?

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024714 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024714 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:12:04 -0800 Comment by Nick Hissssssssssssss!

]]> Nick http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024718 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024718 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:13:49 -0800 Comment by Peanut Gallery Wait, I thought the Stranger was immune to ethics? Why does this even matter?

Since when do advocacy journalists care about ethics?

You are wearing us out here.

]]> Peanut Gallery http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024729 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024729 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:18:05 -0800 Comment by Two Newspaper City I bet you there's some scurrying around at The PI and the other media in town who used this guy.

]]> Two Newspaper City http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024731 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024731 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:18:47 -0800 Comment by Nick @3:

Sorry, that sounded kind of cute and funny. What I hat meant was:

FUCK FUCKING MOTHERFUCKER PLAGIARISTS.
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U CAN QUOTE ME ON THAT.

]]> Nick http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024739 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024739 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:21:19 -0800 Comment by Friendly Fountain An art review from four years ago? Wasn't The Stranger a high school newspaper back then?

]]> Friendly Fountain http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024742 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024742 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:24:36 -0800 Comment by Steve Wiecking Yes, thank you, Mr. Frizzelle, for your constant vigilance on the matter of ethical journalism--a position which, I assume, you adopted sometime after you lied to your coworkers at the Weekly in order to secure your job at the Stranger. You've grown up real nice.

]]> Steve Wiecking http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024754 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024754 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:30:18 -0800 Comment by Gritter Pot meet kettle.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=24847

]]> Gritter http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024770 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024770 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 15:36:10 -0800 Comment by michael strangeways Mr Lippens's re-write is better than Mr Miller's original.

]]> michael strangeways http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024831 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024831 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 16:03:12 -0800 Comment by SFChris Wow -- this depresses me. I liked reading Nate's stuff. He's clearly a talented guy, and I'm sure the vast majority of what he's written is original...but. Resorting to plagiarism is obviously a very, very bad move for him career-wise (not to mention ethics-wise). Poor guy. (I know -- no excuses, blah, blah, blah -- but still...poor guy.)

]]> SFChris http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024836 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024836 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 16:07:12 -0800 Comment by lostboy @10 That's not saying much.  I can improve on most of the professional writing I see (especially things produced on deadline), but the original authors are still generally better writers than I am.  A gloss, no matter how shiny, will never have the merit of a quality draft.

]]> lostboy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024846 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024846 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 16:10:43 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage Don't you have some archives of your own to dig through, Steve?

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024847 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024847 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 16:10:50 -0800 Comment by hey now OMG! this just like a real life version of Mean Girls, but instead of high school girls, it is adult grown men sniping razor sharp quips at each other. Who gets to play the part of lindzzee lohann???

]]> hey now http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024878 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024878 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 16:26:38 -0800 Comment by Fnarf If I worked for the Weekly, I'd lie to my cow-orkers too.

Nicely handled, Christopher. It's a stinky problem.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024902 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024902 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 16:39:07 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Dear Steve,

Your paper sucks ass and so do you. Who the hell are you, anyway? Don't answer that. Nobody cares.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024970 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1024970 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 17:07:25 -0800 Comment by I'm a Nuclear Bomb Poe, obviously you care.

Sorry Poe, but have you picked up a weekly lately? Advertisers sure don't think it sucks ass because they are filling a lot of pages. Correct me if I am wrong, but advertising revenue pays the bills, not hipness.

As much fun as it to kick them around, they're doing quite well when it comes to ad revenue.

Their music coverage is staffed with former Stranger writers who still kick ass, but somehow didn't pass the same smell test that Savage gave to Zwickel and will soon give to the new guy (sorry Eric, I like your writing, but Dan seems to have a 1-year lease on your chair).

Sorry to burst your bubble but tranny hooker ads barely put gas in the tank to deliver the weekly issue of the Stranger.

No I don't work for the Weekly. They turned me down, just like a few Stranger writers that applied there as well.

Go back to sniffing Dan's ass.

]]> I'm a Nuclear Bomb http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025014 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025014 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 17:40:38 -0800 Comment by elenchos My tastes are not actually guided by ad buyers, if you can believe it. Or people who run out and buy what they see in the ads. But that type will always exist and there will always be a place for something like the Weekly. I mean, look at all the condos being built.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025036 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025036 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 18:03:41 -0800 Comment by Everybody's a critic Well done #17, well done. No I don't work for the Weekly, and I'm not a yuppie. I check out both papers every week. The Stranger is definitely the better looking paper, but the Weekly just has a lot more to offer.

The Stranger staff needs to understand that a LOT of people in town (and I do mean advertisers) are disappointed in what the Stranger has become. All snarky attitude and no substance won't increase your circulation. Or your ad sales.

And seriously, Poe, just get a job there. No writing experience? Doesn't even matter. All you really need is street cred. I know, I know, they don't pay shit, but you'll get to hang with the cool kids.

]]> Everybody's a critic http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025061 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025061 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 18:39:00 -0800 Comment by Mystery Slog Comment Person #3 Substance. A LOT of people prefer endless profiles of locals who look like train wreck B-list celebs and not pieces about Hillary Clinton and this Barack Obama person that the Stranger insists on wasting our time on. Ah, substance. A LOT of people prefer it.

]]> Mystery Slog Comment Person #3 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025080 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025080 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 18:59:22 -0800 Comment by Christopher Frizzelle's Enormous Whozeewhatsit I'll tell you what I want to plagiarize...an enormous whozeewhatsit!!!

]]> Christopher Frizzelle's Enormous Whozeewhatsit http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025115 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025115 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 19:43:14 -0800 Comment by Time Bomb Hate to say it, but @17 hits the nail on the head. John Roderick's column is the most entertaining music writing happening in Seattle right now. The Weekly kicks the Strangers ass when it comes to a music section. Never thought that would happen...

]]> Time Bomb http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025142 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025142 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 20:40:07 -0800 Comment by jason blatz What's up with the Seattle Weekly staff? Its weird that they write so many comments in their competition's blog. The Weekly should have a rule about that. Or maybe they consider it "viral marketing." It's still weird.

]]> jason blatz http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025145 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025145 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 20:51:45 -0800 Comment by abomb My favorite line ever in The Stranger was by (supposedly...) Nate Lippens -- "Shit or get of my face!"

]]> abomb http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025159 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025159 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 21:07:16 -0800 Comment by long winters John Roderick may be the smartest and most entertaining person on the planet. He's an amazing writer.

]]> long winters http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025226 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025226 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 22:20:05 -0800 Comment by Nate-lover "Shit or get off my face" was just one of Nate's many brilliant literary moments. Another (that I personally plagiarize often) is "Oral, Facial, Inter-racial." Nate's a quality dude with incredible talent. Are we sure this isn't being blown out of proportion?

]]> Nate-lover http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025257 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025257 Housekeeping Wed, 14 May 2008 23:19:01 -0800 Comment by If D = X, then C = ? @23 Well here's an all-too-common retort: anyone who criticizes the Slog/and or Stranger works for the "Weekly"

It's a technique used by the bottom feeders on CraigsList's "Rants & Raves" forum most often seen in any rant involving a "BBW"

]]> If D = X, then C = ? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025305 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025305 Housekeeping Thu, 15 May 2008 06:13:56 -0800 Comment by i swear The Weekly is brand new and awesome. It's a weekly newspaper in Seattle, Washington. Have you seen it around town? You should give it a try. It is very good. It is very entertaining; oh, man. You can see it available at many local outlets. It has a lot of local angles, supported by a scintillating type of content; boo-ya. You can please give it a try every Wednesday!

]]> i swear http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025306 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025306 Housekeeping Thu, 15 May 2008 06:32:38 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Well here's an all-too-common retort: anyone who criticizes the Slog/and or Stranger works for the "Weekly"

But it's true. And anyone reading the Weekly works for it. Even if they don't.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025468 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025468 Housekeeping Thu, 15 May 2008 10:24:13 -0800 Comment by michael strangeways I'm confused; if all you dorks love the Weekly so much and despise the Stranger, why the fuck are you reading and participating on Slog?

I also need to point out, the Weekly has 76 regular pages this week with a 40pg Folklife insert. The Stranger has 84 regular pages with a 24pg Sasquatch insert which gives the Weekly an 8 pg advantage this week, but if you look at the Folklife insert, it's primarily editorial with very, very few ads. The Sasquatch insert has roughly 15 1/2 pages of ads, out of 24, and most of them big, national accounts. The Stranger has 3 1/2 pages of hooker ads and The Weekly has 2 1/2 pages. Should I go on?

But, I will say, I am enjoying the article on local sleezeball doctor, Howard Levine. Nice job, Weakly!

]]> michael strangeways http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025507 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025507 Housekeeping Thu, 15 May 2008 10:47:42 -0800 Comment by michael strangeways Update: I finished the article on Howard Levine. It ended up being a long-winded re-hash with nothing new to report and oddly sympathetic to a sleazeball subject.

Grade: D

]]> michael strangeways http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025625 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025625 Housekeeping Thu, 15 May 2008 11:44:07 -0800 Comment by Amazonian How many jobs have you been fired from, Strangeways? Trying to get one at the Stranger now, are you?

]]> Amazonian http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025677 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1025677 Housekeeping Thu, 15 May 2008 12:14:28 -0800 Comment by Doug First of all, I know Nate, and he is a lovely guy. Dan Savage, you are such a gasbag. Why don't you and Andrew Sullivan go play with your floaties. The Stranger is such a piece of shit rag sheet. You should be ashamed of your "body of work".

]]> Doug http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1026141 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1026141 Housekeeping Thu, 15 May 2008 19:17:19 -0800 Comment by gretchen bennett This matter could have been dealt with in a more private manner. If mistakes have been made, anyone can make them. Everyone does. We could lift each other up in this town, but instead, we tear each other down.

Nate Lippens is talented, intelligent and kind.
I'll always think so.

]]> gretchen bennett http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1026987 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1026987 Housekeeping Fri, 16 May 2008 16:11:21 -0800 Comment by Suzanne Beal Hail hail. A potential lapse in judgement hardly represents the whole picture.

Nate has unfailingly supported the arts and artists in the Northwest -- it would take a lot more than this to diminish his talent in my eyes -- not to mention his wit and integrity.

]]> Suzanne Beal http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1027190 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1027190 Housekeeping Sat, 17 May 2008 10:52:22 -0800 Comment by Jim Demetre I'd have to concur with Gretchen and Suzanne here. Let's reserve judgment until we know all the facts and not disregard his very real contributions to the local scene. More on this here:


http://www.artdish.com/ubbcgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000553

]]> Jim Demetre http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1027206 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/nate_lippenss_author_archive#c1027206 Housekeeping Sat, 17 May 2008 13:35:36 -0800