- check out the list of female guvs in the country and the hugely qualified female VP candidates that O has to choose from, including Hills - though hopefully we can leave leave Ferraro off.

Bullshit. If anything, your defeatism will make that true. I'm holding out for a presidential candidate who doesn't have to run on her husband's record. And we'll get that in significantly less than two generations.

Thank You.

Yes, she is a two-term Senator. Maybe she didn't have to run on her husband's record, but apparently she thought she did. And most of her support, except from women, is entirely based on people's affection for her husband and their nostalgia for the '90s. As I said, I'm holding out hope for more and better in less than a generation.

They remind me of Nader supporters circa 2000. Ask them how well their protest-vote strategy helped to advance their agenda over the last eight years.

She's not going to lose the Democratic nomination because of sexism. She's going to lose the Democratic nomination because she ran like a Republican.

Sad.

you just contradicted your "own accord" comment by giving examples of others that attained office with the advantage of name recognition. You seem to understand. That is unless "own accord" means something else to you. she has had the BENEFIT of name recognition, and to argue that she has made it all of this way on "her own accord" is ridiculous.

Saying that sexism was present is not the same as saying that there's no reason to dislike her except for the fact that she's a woman. There are plenty of reasons to dislike her that have nothing to do with sexism.

I'm just tired of the "if you like her it's because she's a woman" and "if you dislike her it's because you're sexist" themes that seem to have been so prevalent in the past few months.

I personally don't care if the next president of the USA is a total prick or not. I don't care if the next president of the USA is black, white, Puerto Rican, Asian, male or female, what-fucking-ever.

I DO care if the next President of the United States is pro-choice(fortunately Obama and Clinton both fill that role).

I DO care if the next president of the United States isn't stupid enough to promise something as batshit as a gas tax holiday and let our infrastructure fall further to Hell not to mention encourage even more driving when that is precisely the last thing America needs done. Guess what? Advantage: Obama. Also, don't make arguements that Clinton doesn't really believe in the gas tax holiday, because disingenuously promising a terrible policy in a half-assed attempt to pander to peoples' short-term expectations is precisely as damaging the mess we've been subjected to for years in this nation and it's gone on way, way too fucking long.

I DO care if the next president cares to take a slightly different, pragmatic, daresay diplomatic approach to foreign policy than Cold War-style saber rattling. Nobody cares about Cuba anymore except a few old hawks, some rich Floridians, and Tony fucking Montana; all of these are getting long in the tooth.
Advantage: Obama.

While one may also make the arguement that the Iraq war vote is just one issue and it is old hat, I disagree. It's a KEY indicator. Allowing Clinton a free pass for this obvious blunder(and my little sister who was in middle school at the time figured out Bush/Rummy/Et al were pulling a fast one) when really she was making yet another disingenous decision to pander to America's dumb side also solves nothing.

Sorry folks, I'm just going with the better candidate. I had similar antipathy towards Bill in '96, so again..

That said, if Hillary somehow won the nom, I'll grudgingly vote for her in the face of unstable horror that is McCain, but keep your fucking identity politics out of it, and I don't care if Obama is "smug," "arrogant," "elitist", "condescending," Clinton supporters throwing around that shit are as bad as the poor suckers who spent the last eight years voting for an inbred simian because they thought "they'd like to have a beer with him" as opposed to really analyzing the results of his policies.

Take your silly demagoguery and identity politics somewhere else. You are why Democracy sucks.

In politics no one "gets there on their own" and almost all candidates will have to carry their own luggage as well as that of their spouses, relatives and the occasional one-nightstand.

BTW - what is the equivalent of "bitch" in exclusively male politics and why is it never used?

- I've used "cock", "prick," and various permutations thereof, "shitstain," "worthless douchebag" before. Oh, "Doddering old fuck" in reference to a certain guy who can't tell the difference between an Arab and a Persian and wants to bomb 'em all.