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<description>First, one of the most memorable paragraphs from one of last year&apos;s most important (and prescient) pieces about Barack Obama: Consider this hypothetical. It’s November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against...</description>
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<title>Comment by Chris</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>What a load of crap. So the author claims to read OBL's mind? </p>

<p>Oh yeah, and the implication that we should elect our president based on the opposite of what some madman in a cave thinks. Fuck that. I'll stick with repudiating Bush.</p>]]></description>
<author>Chris</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027966</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:43:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Stil?l waiting. Dan, where&apos;s the story</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I've seen some postings about Josh Feit getting fired at The Stranger?</p>

<p>Is this true?</p>

<p>Josh had some personality issues, but his instincts were good. So why did he leave? If Dan can write about his personal life, shouldn't he write about what's going on at the newspaper?</p>]]></description>
<author>Stil?l waiting. Dan, where&apos;s the story</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027976</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:55:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mothers of the Disappeared</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@2 - Yeah, where's Josh? No mention on Slog (that I can find). </p>]]></description>
<author>Mothers of the Disappeared</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027980</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:01:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bellevue Ave</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>sockpuppeting 101</p>]]></description>
<author>Bellevue Ave</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027981</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:04:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I think you meant order of magnitude, not logarithm.  Or you could have said "...America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but the log base 10 has been increased by 1."  It would have been easier to have said "ratcheted up not by a notch, but ten notches."  Or even eleven.  Eleven is one more, after all.</p>

<p>Oh. Google said <a href="http://www.volokh.com/posts/1199559637.shtml" rel="nofollow">this guy</a> complained about this way back then.</p>

<p>The other weird thing is the cold, firm, steel-like hardness of the ratcheting metaphor.  As things ratchet up or ratchet higher, they are non-negotiable nailed at that point, unable to go back even slightly.  That's the nature of ratcheting effect, right?</p>

<p>Whereas soft power, is, you know.  Soft?</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027984</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:09:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Greg</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#1 has a good point. I'd rather choose my president based on what I want, not what some jackass in a cave doesn't want.</p>

<p>Heaping scorn and ridicule on bin Laden as he further marginalizes himself is just a side benefit.</p>]]></description>
<author>Greg</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027985</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:12:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Gabe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, #1 hit it on the head. When Osama Bin Caveman in influencing the decision making process Americans as to our leadership choices, haven't the terrorists won?</p>

<p>Obama for Victory against creepy cave dudes everywhere! </p>]]></description>
<author>Gabe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027988</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:19:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Terry</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The NYT had an oped a few days ago trying to sell this; the idea that the Muslim world would regard Obama as an apostate was roundly derided in the response letters - by people who seemed to have the credentials to know what they were talking about.</p>]]></description>
<author>Terry</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1027991</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:25:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by CP</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>What? I can vote for a guy who drives the fundamentalist Muslim angry-angries crazy AND who drives the right wing Chreeschin screechies in America crazy, too? WIN-WIN!</p>]]></description>
<author>CP</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028014</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:58:23 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Doctor Memory</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Er, the two paragraphs you just cited are far from mutually exclusive.  It's entirely possible that an Obama presidency would <i>both</i> be used as recruiting propaganda by the jihadis and might install some doubts in the minds of the people they're trying to recruit.</p>

<p>I know for damn sure who's opinion I care more about, and it isn't the mass murderer in the cave.</p>]]></description>
<author>Doctor Memory</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028018</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:01:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by collie</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Memory @ 10 hits the nail on the head, but the real question is what does Osama bin Laden think about Josh Feit leaving The Stranger?  </p>]]></description>
<author>collie</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028025</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:12:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@3 -- are you serious? You missed Josh's very public decision to leave The Stranger and do something else? <br />
<a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/revolution_9" rel="nofollow">http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/revolution_9</a></p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028026</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:13:57 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by CP</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and two reminders:</p>

<p>a) fundamentalist Muslim angry-angries will hate ANYbody who becomes president of the U.S. He'll be the Great Satan, tool of the Zionists, etc etc. (Would have been fun to see Hillary blow their minds.)</p>

<p>b) Howzabout we elect a President who doesn't fulfill every paranoid belief that Arab nationalists (remember them? I'm sure they're still around) and Muslim fundamentalists have? Instead of our current one? Why, anybody we put into power will ratchet down (in discrete, measureable clicks, heh heh) that "yes, we've really come as Crusaders to colonize you" style we've been sporting.</p>

<p><br />
Oh wait, except for McCain.</p>]]></description>
<author>CP</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028027</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:14:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by bd</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Don't forget these two:</p>

<p>Edward N. Luttwak, "President Apostate?" New York Times, May 12.  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html</a></p>

<p>Daisy Khan.  "Misconceptions About Obama and Islam".  Washington Post/On Faith.  May 14, 2008.  <a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/daisy_khan/2008/05/obama_a_muslim_getting_the_rec.html" rel="nofollow">http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/daisy_khan/2008/05/obama_a_muslim_getting_the_rec.html</a></p>]]></description>
<author>bd</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028032</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:20:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Todd</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I went to the cheese festival with an obama shirt and had two separate Hillary supporters make hateful remarks behind it back (my wife caught it). One was a younger woman making a motion like she was going to kickme in the ass while calling me an obamahead. What is the animosity? Clinton is running a far more devisive campaign. If you assume obama supporters just hate women you are dead wrong. I would love to finally have a woman president. Just not margaret thatcher!</p>]]></description>
<author>Todd</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028035</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:26:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by w7ngman</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#5, I was thinking the same thing. Journalists shouldn't try to talk in math-speak.</p>

<blockquote>
Though it's a reminder that race and politics are complicated subjects when North Dakota is "black."
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<p>No, it's a reminder that this political cartoon is kind of stupid. Seriously, what? All the states aren't even labeled correctly.</p>

<p>Also yet another reminder of how our society considers a biracial man to be black long before they would consider him white, presumably because "white" represents categorical purity and anything non-pure is de facto "black".</p>

<p>At least that's my take on it. Sadly, I am guilty of this. It probably has more to do with human tendency to categorize entities using primitive methods (our brains interpret Obama as closer in color to a "black" man than a "white" man?) rather than what we know to be true about the entity (Obama is genetically just as much "white" as he is "black"). </p>]]></description>
<author>w7ngman</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028037</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:26:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fnarf took the bait.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028050</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:03:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dick</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fnarf's a dipshit.</p>]]></description>
<author>Dick</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028093</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:06:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Concerned Viewer</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wow, an Obama smear posted by a Stranger staffer who is not ECB.  What is the world coming to?</p>]]></description>
<author>Concerned Viewer</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028094</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:11:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Thanks Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I appreciated Fnarf's link... we can't all read every single slog post.</p>]]></description>
<author>Thanks Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028095</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:14:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by KeeKee</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Sock puppetry indeed!</p>]]></description>
<author>KeeKee</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028108</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:46:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Chris in Tampa</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Conservatives need to come together and make a decision: do they want Obama to be a secret muslim or not?</p>]]></description>
<author>Chris in Tampa</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028119</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:17:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Vince</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Fear and bigotry. Fear and bigotry. Fear and bigotry. That's what wins for Repulicans. Every time.</p>]]></description>
<author>Vince</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028125</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:37:06 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by sholom aleichem</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Anyone here read Arabic? This source supposedly says Barack gets a free pass:</p>

<p>"One thing to note: It is not enough to be considered a Murtad Fitri to be born of a Muslim and a Kafir or two Muslims, but to affirm the Shahadas after puberty. If born as such but believed in Judaism or Christianity before puberty, he is not to be considered a Murtad Fitri so that he is killed ... because apostasy requires a Muslim to reject Islam and a child before puberty is not truly Muslim"</p>

<p><a href="http://www.mohaqeqkaboli.org/F3Taha/f3taha09.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mohaqeqkaboli.org/F3Taha/f3taha09.htm</a></p>]]></description>
<author>sholom aleichem</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028154</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:45:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by left coast</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>bin Laden's chuckling?  Why wouldn't he be, he's been public enemy #1 for almost 7 years and laughing in the face of the 'most powerful nation on Earth'. </p>

<p>We're in a quamire in Iraq, and guaranteeing our demise by investing nothing in the future. It's a fucking joke alright, and I'm sure he's enjoying it. Obama elected is not what the enemy wants b/c he might actually get this ship turned, but, when I see stories like this from the CSM, I have to think that Haliburton, KBR or Blackwater are trying to stamp any thoughts of diplomacy and changing course.  </p>]]></description>
<author>left coast</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028172</link>
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<title>Comment by NapoleonXIV</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm......</p>

<p>Sounds like another good reason to find and capture Osama Bin Laden.</p>]]></description>
<author>NapoleonXIV</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028296</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:34:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by msl</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Even though Obama's father's family background is muslim, Obama's father was an athiest. Therefore Obama himself was not born into a muslim family and cannot be considered an apostate. The Christian Science Monitor is wrong, and Edward Luttwak in the NYT doesn't know what he's talking about in the least. Since when does being a military strategist at CSIS qualify a person to be an expert on Islamic jurisprudence? </p>

<p>Does anyone seriously think that anyone with a jones to kill an American president would be given pause by who that president is? Killing the commander-in-chief of the U.S. army would be a tremendous coup for any ambitious militant, be the president Bush, Obama, McCain, Clinton or Alex Rodriguez. </p>

<p>Besides, Obama's background will not change the way security operates for the president. Doesn't the secret service act as if the president is in constant danger already? </p>]]></description>
<author>msl</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028368</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:38:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jimmie the dhimmi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p><i>Edward Luttwak in the NYT doesn't know what he's talking about in the least. Since when does being a military strategist at CSIS qualify a person to be an expert on Islamic jurisprudence?</i></p>

<p>Luttwak, a strategist, could have two strategies  behind his entry in the Fearmonger's Forum: 1. Keep people from voting for Obama, lest he be killed. 2. Continue the drumbeat of fear, uncertainty, doubt, and hatred regarding those ee-vul Islamists who want to exterminate us Judeo-Christians.</p>

<p>I googled the chick in the Monitor to find out she is a contract worker for the Marine Corps. Likely she found it in her own best interest to write her fear mongering essay. I kinda doubt she's a Muslim, so why doesn't she fear a fatwa against her?</p>]]></description>
<author>jimmie the dhimmi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/meet_the_new_enemy_same_as_the_old_enemy#c1028596</link>
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