Comments on Hope and Change

I really hope you don't actually think that he was really flipping her off.

Is that all you've got?
Pathetic.

Reaching. Incredibly old. Already posted here. How pathetic is ECB? Let me count the ways.

Hilarious!

Where have you been? Jon Stewart did a whole show how ridiculous this was about this a few weeks ago...

i'm just going to assume that you are joking. otherwise...

Just the kind of objective coverage we'd expect from the news editor of "Seattle's Only Newspaper."

Oh Erica, maybe someday you'll post some sort of reason why Hillary should be elected president, instead of all this obsessing on Obama and crying about how people pick on her. Seriously, when was the last time you actually gave any reason to vote for her?

This is complete BS...see the alternate angle:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/19/172425/373

ECB is a tool!

this was debunked hours after it surfaced oh, two weeks ago?

Hope and Change is a Bill Richardson line. Get it straight!

Hey, also, did you guys see Dukakis riding in that tank!?

according to the link, it was april 18th.

You just failed at the internet.

@11 D'oh! In my giddiness to dredge up the halcyon Granite State days I screwed up a word (Experience, not hope).

When I flip people off, I make sure they know it.

@8: Seriously, when was the last time you actually gave any reason to vote for her?

She's a woman, apparently that's enough for ECB, the issues she supports are completely irrelevant.

Oh for fuck's sake. Really, Erica? Really?

Two fingers up for ECB, the Slog's own credulous hack!

Look, Erica, we know that your extreme partisanship on behalf of all things vaginal compels you, whenever you see a Hillary-unfriendly post round these parts, to find something - anything, even something weeks old and cheesy and already done to death - to bash Obama with.

But you have to face up to the fact that you're just really, really, really bad at this. I know there are other, quieter Hillary fans around at the Stranger. Perhaps you might ask them to take on the Hillary shilling (Shillarying?), since they couldn't possibly do a worse job of it than you have.

Jesus Christ. Erica, I normally defend you, but this is just ridiculous. Nobody took this seriously. NOBODY. It's total BS, and it happened eons ago.

The only good thing to come if it was this: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=166514&title=blanguage

Is this your idea of comedy?

Is Hillary's only issue identity politics at this point? I didn't initially support either her or obama, but the increasingly constant theme is that if you don't support Hrc theb you are probably, not definately, but probably a latent misogyist. I'm not, and no Obama supporter I've met is, neither was any Richadson supporter, or a Biden supporter, or etc. etc. etc. Clinton's narrative of victimization is a non-winner in the general election; but what do I know? Apparently, I'm "just" a white male; this language of marginalization of my personhood as a key part in an attempt to illustrate Hrc's supposed victimization is telling.

Poor Erica. The superdelgates keep coming out for Obama and all EBC has is an old false smear to try and resurrect. Poor, poor Erica. Is that a pout on your face Erica.

And did you hear his middle name is HUSSEIN?!?!?!

Pointing out Hillary's lies is misogyny. Reality has a anti-feminist bias.

BTW, guys, have you seen that e-mail going around proving Obama is a Muslim? It's so scary! I'll post more about it later today!!

ECB, are you "just joking"? Wokka wokka wokka!

boo

What's way better than that is Erica C. Barnett giving me the finger. Well, she's actually giving the finger to some talk show host, not to me, but the picture makes it seem like she's pouring all her contempt straight at me, while her angry eyes take delicious pleasure in caressing me with white hot beams of burning disgust. Sometimes I look at that picture and imagine her smiling lips parting just enough to growl, "I hate you, elenchos. You are worthless. Worthless!"

Don't act like you don't feel the same way I do.

Fail.

Wow, my opinion of ECB somehow managed to drop a few notches. I had thought it was already at rock bottom. If she keeps this blatant true-believer stuff up, I may have to start hating women in general just to spite her.

at one point, when typing this message, i flipped someone off. i think it was when i hit the "e" key. i'm sorry.

Erica, go get a boob job and become a pundit for Fox news already.

I'm sure ECB would gladly flip you off, elenchos. She could be flipping you off in her mind as she reads this. Ponder and relish.

ECB, you are becoming more pathetic by the day.

You can't possibly actually believe this.

ABSOLUTELY see the alternate angle linked @ 9 above, and observe the index finger's shadow on Obama's cheek -- demonstrating unequivocally that the index finger does not contact Obama's cheek. (In fact, it's awkwardly retracted.) Can you even admit this obvious but not necessarily dispository fact?

Can you find a similar (supposedly unconscious) mannerism in umpteen hours of pre-existing Obama tape?

Can you find a similar instance of a dramatic pause around a scratch or other unconscious gesture?

Have you been under a rock for the past two weeks?

Not only is this total bullshit, it is old bullshit.

Sad, really sad.

Granted, according to Josh, Slog is nothing but a place for Stranger writers to post their opinions, but ECB, you and Josh are among the most intellectually dishonest "journalists" I've ever read. And that's saying something considering the state of journalism today.

We all know that you read the comments to your posts constantly. It's time for you to put up an update and admit you were wrong or link to the MyDD post about this.

Hey Stranger staff, it's cool if you've brought UnPC into the office to cover while Erica's sick, but can you at least have her post with her own name?

Lame post.

You can't tell right now ECB, but I'm actually flipping YOU off right now.

Dated, factually incorrect, debunked, lame bullshit. Period.

man, i thought i was reading The New Republic for a moment there.

(sniff) What's that smell? (sniff-sniff) Oh... sweaty desperation.

ECB, you're a fool. You're a stupid, stupid fool.

"Desperation is a stinky cologne."

RonK,
Your descent into complete madness has been one of the only things keeping a smile on my face throughout this whole mess.

Two weeks old.

And still desperate for something - anything - anything at all to attack him on.

Give up Hils, you lost.

Stop pushing attack vids that McCain staffers and financial supporters sent you ...

Erica posts five words and a link at 10:45 AM.

48 comments at 1:28 PM.

Erica wins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2] or to support Hillary's sinking candidacy [3]

This is a zombie lie. It's a lie that gets debunked over and over again, but keeps coming back.

Are there any tactics of the right Clinton supporters aren't willing to use?

If you've been following election results in the UK, you'll see what happens to left-leaning parties that try to mimic their right-wing opponents: they lose.

Lee @ 47 -- Is it then your opinion that Obama's index finger in the frame linked @ 9 is in contact with his cheek?

If so, how do you explain the shadow of his index finger tip projected on the same cheek, distant from the finger tip itself?

Which one of us is descending into madness here?

If so, how do you explain the shadow of his index finger tip projected on the same cheek, distant from the finger tip itself?

RonK, once you actually type out a sentence like this in earnest, and think it's making a meaningful point, it's a sign that it's time for you to step away from the keyboard and the political blogs for a little while and regain perspective.

@52
If so, how do you explain the shadow of his index finger tip projected on the same cheek, distant from the finger tip itself?

Ron, I'm telling you this as someone who has met you and has even had nice conversations with you in the past. Please see a mental health specialist as soon as you can and deal with whatever is going on inside your head right now. You are not in a good place and you need help. I'm sorry if I've made jokes about it. I will stop. Just get the help you need.

tsm @ 53 -- I'm simply pointing out a physical impossibility in the Obamanaist interpretation of a photo someone else introduced a conclusive evidence of a two-fingered scratch.

Do you have an explanation? Or do you not?

Is it significant that Obamanaists can almost universally convince themselves of this physically impossible interpretation? Might it cast doubt on their collective interpretation of other information?

Note to readers: Lee/thehim and I intersect in some interests, worthy causes and social circles, but I have never considered him a person of sound mind or judgment. He has previously exhibited a faith in his determination of others' beliefs, attitudes and mental states at a distance and without evidence, and his attempts at explicit reasoning from evidence are not much more impressive.

Erica, you dipshit, this video is old, and your characterization of the gesture is manifestly false.

Erica, when you put down the Suffragette, you should try reading your own paper.

PS and if he did it on purpose, rock the fuck on. When did the Stranger start hiring uptight soap-mouthed prudes?

I can't believe I'm actually going to discuss this. RonK, when you assert that he is making an offensive gesture by scratching his face with his middle finger while his index finger is also extended, you're creating a new offensive gesture that, I'm sure, very few Americans other than yourself would realize is an offensive gesture. Last I checked, this particular offensive gesture is formed by extending the middle finger and keeping the other four curled. As shown by the second angle, this is clearly not what he did. Arguing that it is offensive because he did not simultaneously scratch his face with the second finger is just a tad bit unreasonable.

@55
Wow. You've gone full-on loco, my friend. Seriously, get some help.

55 - dude, if that's your defense of your own sanity, you're probably in worse trouble than anyone imagined.

Obamaniac @ 58 -- You have gone off-track already, attempting to refute something I have not argued (or even asserted) here, i.e., that he is making an offensive gesture.

I simply noted that the photo "two finger scratch" photo indisputably portrays a one-finger scratch.

Is that premise now granted? If it is, we can proceed with the analysis. If it's not (and I believe you'll find most Obamanaists, against the evidence, will not grant this premise), then we're not operating in the realm of physically realistic interpretation, are we?

@61
You have gone off-track already, attempting to refute something I have not argued (or even asserted) here, i.e., that he is making an offensive gesture.

Um, I think it's safe to say you've asserted it. Otherwise, why the fuck would be arguing about the shadow of his finger?

Is that premise now granted? If it is, we can proceed with the analysis.

Please get help.

Lee, you demonstrate once again that you don't know what the parts of a reasoned argument are, or how they fit together.

That doesn't fully explain why you repeatedly come out of an exchange thinking the people who disagree with you must be crazy, but it helps.

As for the argument in progress, it stands unrefuted but uncompleted. Maybe someone familiar with principles of evidence and inference (Golob?) would like to take a stepwise stab at discourse over what can and can't be determined from the information at hand.

That doesn't fully explain why you repeatedly come out of an exchange thinking the people who disagree with you must be crazy, but it helps.

Dude, you're full on bonkers. The argument you're making isn't even in the neighborhood of sane.

As for the argument in progress, it stands unrefuted but uncompleted. Maybe someone familiar with principles of evidence and inference (Golob?) would like to take a stepwise stab at discourse over what can and can't be determined from the information at hand.

Something tells me Jonathan has more important things to do.

BTW, here's a good clip from The Daily Show making fun of this.

Lee, your habit of labeling people "insane" is already noted; your inability to identify the argument at hand is already noted; and your refusal to engage on any point of fact is obvious. This is not respectable conduct - intellectually, socially, or morally.

What exactly is your point, RonK, that Obama scratched himself with one finger instead of two?

Wow. Ok.

Can you find a similar (supposedly unconscious) mannerism in umpteen hours of pre-existing Obama tape?

Can you find a similar instance of a dramatic pause around a scratch or other unconscious gesture?

Why even bring this up then? Are you trying to say it was a meaningful gesture or not?

Yeah, MyDD did say he scratched with two fingers. Who cares. They made a mistake. If you read the original DailyKos diary, it says nothing of the sort. Either you believe Obama flipped Hillary off, or you believe the alternate angle showing that he doesn't. Quibbling over whether two fingers contacted his face is pointless.

This post is evidence of one thing. That the Stranger staff is afraid of Erica and they just give her a wide berth and silently pray for it to stop. This is really old news, as someone mentioned, and debunked by photos from another angle. He's scratching his cheek with two fingers.

Obama scratched his face. In reality world, he didn't give anyone the finger.

Clinton, on the other hand, constantly gives huge swaths of the country the finger by claiming that legitimate caucuses (including ours) don't count, that any state where she doesn't win is full of effete, latte-drinking snobs, that we're "boutique" states, etc. Clinton's campaign constantly insults not only the people who didn't vote for her, but her own supporters if they happen to live in states where she didn't win.

If you're going to take offense at something, I'd choose that over Obama's phantom finger.