Wouldn't it be great if the DNC Rules Committee actually held up the rules of the committee? Like, for example, the rule that said if you move up your primary date your state will lose it's delegates as punishment for breaking the rules?

Unfortunately, Democrats are cowardly in the face of aggression, so I expect some sort of capitulation to Clinton. The rules will be bent to appease her which will set a terrible precedent for future contests and the party will remain divided all the way to the convention. Nice.

I live in Michigan, and I can tell you, it doesn't represent my will. I was told my vote wouldn't count, and I was not allowed to write in Obama. So I voted in the Republican Primary.

I'm just amazed that so many people hauled their asses off to the polls to basically vote "NOT Hillary."

Relax. Obama's got this in the bag. Supes are all coming over late next week.

The party needs to do whatever it can to turn out Democratic voting in FL and MI. If that means giving Clinton a few more votes, so be it.

I don't care about the rules and I don't care about sending a message and I don't care about equity. I just want Obama to beat McCain in the fall.

Cut the delegates in half, give all the halved uncommitted delegates to Obama. If Hillary or her surrogates try to spin it as some sort subverting of the people's will or specific dis of her, then God damn her and God damn them.

One thing we keep forgetting is that nobody said MI and FL superdelegates need to have Voice and Vote.

They could just as easily get Voice and NO VOTE - and that would make the politicos in those states sit up and say NO next time someone tries to get their state to ignore the rules.

Most delegates don't have as much power as superdelegates, so it might be a good idea.

1. other states jumped in line and were not punished.

2. the punishment isn't in the rules, it doesn't break any rules to bring it up. Every process HRC is following is in the rules.

3. no one agreed to not seat delegates, only to not campaign, BHO broke that agreement in FL thru cable tv ads, HRC broke it too thru one dinner the night of the election.

4. so many millions voted in FL it's wrong to say "people" didn't vote. They did. They did nothing wrong. Why punish them?

5. Mich: no one forced BHO to take his name off. Dodd has his name on. HE was behind in the polls and trying to suck up to IA, that's why he did it.

6. Would you expell a kid if his parents agreed he'd be on the football team and he showed up late?

7. Obama has it won. Why have this fight at all? He is fucking far, far behind in FL. That sucks. MI doesn't look so great either which truly sucks. why not be a hero and just seat all the delegates because it doesn't matter, no downside he's got the nomiantion.

8. WTF with upholding rules designed to give tiny states special rights and privileges and more influence than bigger states?

I truly believe if the shoe were on the other foot, if Obama were the one who had "won" FL, oby oh boy there would not be one Obama supporer being such a stickler for the rules.

And as to rules -- Obama knows 'em in and out, he freaking litigating all his primary opponents off the ballot to get into the State Senate, if he wanted an iron clad agreement we will not seat delegates he failed to get it, so tough shit.

What is worrying is he and his supporters are not showing smarts in how to unify and win the most states possible. Giving the MI and FL delegates half a vote -- even less than the 3/5 a person thingy in the constiution -- isn't going to buy their love.

Rioght now it looks like his plan is to
-lose FL
--lose MI
--lose Ky, WV
--lose white votes in most big swing states east of MS river -- that tape of Pfleger is atrocious, with everyone in church clapping and applauding his making fun of HRC for crying (sexist) and on race grounds (offensive to so many voters that Obama needs)

IF he can't handle a little probelm like the stupid MI and FL delegates quandary when he should have just seated them all about 6 weeks ago, I wonder if he can make it this fall.

I truly believe if the shoe were on the other foot, if Obama were the one who had "won" FL, oby oh boy there would not be one Obama supporer being such a stickler for the rules.

Pfft. If the show were on the other foot, Obama wouldn't be in the race. All these calls for Clinton to drop out would make any sane candidate reconsider their campaign.

This is about HRC being able to keep campaigning. If all the delegates from Michigan and Florida are seated, or even half, Obama will still have a huge lead but then the number of delegates needed to win will go up. Since Obama is near the current amount, she needs to increase that number to give herself more time.

With that time she can hope that Obama will self destruct or something else will happen to give her a clean shot. Essentially, she's like a little kid playing Risk hoping she can roll 20 sixes in a row and win even though she's so far behind.

Hillary has shown herself to be no better than our current president. Rules mean nothing to her. Her own interests trump those of the party. How can we believe that she will act any differently as the leader of the country.

What will her version of Halliburton be?

@6 said and I lay waste to his arguments ...

1. other states jumped in line and were not punished.

My son tried that argument and he was still grounded.

2. the punishment isn't in the rules, it doesn't break any rules to bring it up. Every process HRC is following is in the rules.

My son tried that argument too. Didn't work then, either.

3. no one agreed to not seat delegates, only to not campaign, BHO broke that agreement in FL thru cable tv ads, HRC broke it too thru one dinner the night of the election.

My son tried that argument too about how the rule didn't specifically say he had to be back on time - didn't work that time either.

4. so many millions voted in FL it's wrong to say "people" didn't vote. They did. They did nothing wrong. Why punish them?

"But, Dad, all the kids are doing it!"

5. Mich: no one forced BHO to take his name off. Dodd has his name on. HE was behind in the polls and trying to suck up to IA, that's why he did it.

LOL. Talk about revisionist history.

6. Would you expell a kid if his parents agreed he'd be on the football team and he showed up late?

From school? No. From playing football - YES! Sen Clinton can still be a US Senator.

7. Obama has it won. Why have this fight at all? He is fucking far, far behind in FL. That sucks. MI doesn't look so great either which truly sucks. why not be a hero and just seat all the delegates because it doesn't matter, no downside he's got the nomiantion.

So why are you fighting then?

8. WTF with upholding rules designed to give tiny states special rights and privileges and more influence than bigger states?

Because of the frickin Electoral College you numbnuts.

... this concludes another episode of PC being whiny and getting slapped down ...

@6. No, no and no.

Hillary DID agree that the delegates would not count. NPR had an audio clip of her saying that back in January playing over the last couple of days. It wasn't until March that she moved the goalposts.

"If the shoe were on the other foot..."

No. I was told the votes in Michigan would not count, as were many other people, and so we didn't vote/voted Republican/etc. The results are so flawed, they're comical.

Finally, without direct campaigning, the person with more name recognition gets the votes, which is why in so many races, Obama gained many more votes after campaigning while Hillary lost them. The results are f***ed. Again, what should show "unelectability" is how many people actually showed up to vote "uncommitted," which everyone understood to mean "NOT Hillary" in a race that we were told wouldn't count anyway.

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