Slog - Comments on Fallen Idol http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol Hm. Maybe there's something to this role model crap after all. The kid came down for breakfast, saw the headlines on this morning's PI about the Seahawk Lofa Tatupu's DUI arrest yesterday, went back up to his bedroom, and took down a poster of Tatupu that he'd hung over his bed.... Copyright 2008 Wed, 14 May 2008 09:36:31 -0800 Thu, 15 May 2008 05:39:04 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by john cocktosin What the hell was he doing driving a Hyundai?

]]> john cocktosin http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024109 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024109 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 09:55:54 -0800 Comment by Hernandez Sounds like someone's been imparting good values to their child!

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024112 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024112 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 09:59:31 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe This is kind of like the time I saw Crocodile Tears. When finished, I pulled The Commitment and Skipping Towards Gomorrah from my shelves, grabbed some lighter fluid, and did what had to be done.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024113 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024113 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 09:59:55 -0800 Comment by Michigan Matt (soon to be Balt-o-matt) Way to go, Kid! I did the same thing when Tonya Harding's goon hurt poor Nancy. Down came that Tonya poster!

]]> Michigan Matt (soon to be Balt-o-matt) http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024114 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024114 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:01:05 -0800 Comment by MK You should be proud of yourself, Dan. Sounds like evidence of excellent parenting.

]]> MK http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024116 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024116 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:03:38 -0800 Comment by Wurm good for him, and GREAT for you and Terry (I think thats the hubby's name?)

]]> Wurm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024119 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024119 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:04:46 -0800 Comment by Michigan Matt (soon to be Balt-o-matt) @3. Oh my god, Mr. Poe. Who knew?! I wonder if I can Netflix that. . .

]]> Michigan Matt (soon to be Balt-o-matt) http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024120 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024120 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:04:53 -0800 Comment by heywhatsit Why do I find that he was busted in a McDonald's parking lot the most disturbing part of the story?

]]> heywhatsit http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024123 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024123 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:06:20 -0800 Comment by pk At least one eyed poodles never get DUIs.

]]> pk http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024127 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024127 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:09:32 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave
Poe, was alien vs. predator the worst movie ever or the most derivative movie ever?

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024131 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024131 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:15:00 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe The worst movie ever made is--and has been for quite some time now--The Mosquito Coast.

Movies like AVP can't be described as "worst" in anything to me. I think it has something to do with having an IQ above 40 and knowing what you're about to see, and why you want to see it in the first place. There isn't much room for letdown. And I never wanted to see it, anyway. PG-13? Yeah. Real derivative.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024136 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024136 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:23:16 -0800 Comment by Lofa Yeah, great parenting. You're raising a judgmental and unforgiving little creep.

]]> Lofa http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024137 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024137 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:23:18 -0800 Comment by Anon Hell yeah, kid!

]]> Anon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024140 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024140 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:25:56 -0800 Comment by thekid Way to go dan! You're the best parent ever! You're just...so...well, just such a great role model for your kid! Please, keep all of us informed on the next happenings.

]]> thekid http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024141 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024141 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:26:54 -0800 Comment by DJSauvage Most kids would have just gone ahead and had a drink.

]]> DJSauvage http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024172 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024172 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:45:38 -0800 Comment by max solomon to err is human, to forgive divine. a DUI is largely a matter of chance, and it was the bust-happy Kirkland Po.

does the kid know that his dad has driven drunk (remember, buzzed driving is drunk driving), likely on more than one occasion?

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024174 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024174 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:45:53 -0800 Comment by Hernandez @12 and 16: Oh, come on! So the kid realizes that drunk drivers are not people he wants to look up to - so what? The poster will probably go back up someday once he realizes that Lofa Tatupu is a good person who made a bad mistake once in his life. It's a ten year-old, for crying out loud. How nuanced do you expect his reaction to be?

Did you really expect him to hear the news and say, "well, you know how it is with the Kirkland 5-0"? Give the kid (and his parents) a break.

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024186 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024186 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:55:01 -0800 Comment by city kitty kid sounds like a prude in the making.

]]> city kitty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024187 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024187 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 10:55:06 -0800 Comment by Sauron It's just a fucking DUI, who gives a shit? Everybody I know has gad at least one. It's not like he's an axe murderer or something.

]]> Sauron http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024195 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024195 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:00:46 -0800 Comment by Samson I wonder if it was a gay icon or celebrity that got a DUI and little Dan pulled off the poster, all these wine and cheese eaters on this board would be so complimentary of the parenting skills.

]]> Samson http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024205 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024205 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:07:50 -0800 Comment by Joe M I'd comment on that @20, but presently I am busy eating wine and cheese.

]]> Joe M http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024215 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024215 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:14:07 -0800 Comment by Billiard I did the same thing when I was 7 and Supersonic Dale Ellis got in a drunken wreck on I-5. Good work, Dan/Dan's kid.

]]> Billiard http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024219 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024219 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:14:41 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave Poe, I wasn't expecting wholesale plagiarism or "creative reuse of the exact same lines" from the predecessors in AVP.

Mosquito Coast was just Fitzcorraldo but bad.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510A4172BGL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024235 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024235 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:20:15 -0800 Comment by butterfly mcqueen Are you kidding me?!?!?

The Mosquito Coast is a great movie!!!

]]> butterfly mcqueen http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024257 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024257 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:32:41 -0800 Comment by lostboy It's just a fucking DUI, who gives a shit? Everybody I know has gad at least one. That should be a clue, really.]]> lostboy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024261 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024261 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:35:09 -0800 Comment by MarsAttack @19

Really? Who the hell do you hang out with? Do you derive every single friendship from AA meetings?

Driving while drunk, unlike social, responsible drinking and pot smoking, is INCREDIBLY dangerous and reckless. You not only risk your (admittedly worthless) life doing it, but also innocents around you. It is something to be taken extremely seriously and heavily punished for, no matter what you or your drunken idiot friends want to think.

The average person is already a horrible driver. The last thing we need is alcohol to enter the equation. Dan was not saying getting sloshed is a bad thing. Driving while doing it though? To try and downplay the stupidity of such an act is absolutely reprehensible.

]]> MarsAttack http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024283 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024283 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:53:01 -0800 Comment by Karlheinz Arschbomber Once you get a DUI/DWI on your record, you can't get into Canada. That alone would suck bigtime.

]]> Karlheinz Arschbomber http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024287 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024287 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 11:55:08 -0800 Comment by Whatevers I wish I could live a perfect life where I never use poor judgment or make mistakes like MarsAttack. I so want to be you.

]]> Whatevers http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024299 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024299 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 12:01:11 -0800 Comment by Just the Facts Newspapers are for adults, not families.

]]> Just the Facts http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024302 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024302 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 12:02:41 -0800 Comment by hehehe way to exploit ur kid's actions into ur own gains.

]]> hehehe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024304 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024304 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 12:03:07 -0800 Comment by tomcat98109 I think it would be better if the kid learned that even good people (and everything points to Tatupu being one) can make bad mistakes. But that doesn't mean you just write them off.

]]> tomcat98109 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024354 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024354 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:18 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe How drunk was Terry when he let your dog fall out of the car?

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024366 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024366 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 12:37:21 -0800 Comment by MarsAttack Yes, because I said no one should ever make mistakes. . . .

. . . only not. What I *did* say was Drunk Driving is a reprehensible act that should be severely punished and not downplayed by an idiot going "it was ONLY a DUI, man". Many, many innocent lives have been lost because of this "mistake".

Yes, EVERYONE makes mistakes. I make tons of them. But not only is this fact NOT a get-out-of-repercussions-free card, it certainly won't bring back those who died because you were too stupid to plan ahead.

I didn't say people should never be forgiven for a horrible mistake they made. The argument I would put forth is that such forgiveness should come at a price. The harsher the mistake the bigger the price. If this athlete is not punished heavily he simply won't learn, and the example he would set would be horrible.

Is he only human? Sure. Should he be forgiven? Why not. Should he be punished and scorned for such a dangerous and irresponsible action? No freakin' DUH.

]]> MarsAttack http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024396 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024396 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 12:48:45 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Oh, and I know you don't like us bringing up teh family and all, but you do it so often I have to wonder if it only bothers you when it's a jab. Forgive me.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024397 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024397 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 12:48:54 -0800 Comment by Whatevers So if Lofa learns from his mistake and never gets a DUI again, will you get off your high horse and shut the hell up.

]]> Whatevers http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024472 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024472 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 13:21:25 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage About that post -- I actually worry what will happen if one of his dads should ever get a DUI. Some of them seem rather... arbitrary. It seemed a little harsh to me. Luckily he doesn't put up posters of us in his bedroom, and he already thinks we're totally lame.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024550 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1024550 Sports Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:12 -0800 Comment by Lauren I'm a little late on the draw here, but...

@1: Perhaps someone went to the doctor and bought lypo with his money?

]]> Lauren http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1025292 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1025292 Sports Thu, 15 May 2008 01:32:28 -0800 Comment by Walter Border I just take my own poster down before I go to work. Just in case it's a rough day.

]]> Walter Border http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1025299 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/fallen_idol#c1025299 Sports Thu, 15 May 2008 05:39:04 -0800