Slog - Comments on Thinking Dense at Northgate http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate Under a plan pushed by Mayor Greg Nickels's office, the city is considering upzoning as much as 98 acres of the Northgate area. The upzone could allow building heights to double on some blocks. An environmental impact statement (.pdf), released earlier this month, cited some of the problems the neighborhood has experienced: “For the decade after Northgate was designated an Urban Center [in 1993], development did not keep pace with the targeted growth rates for either employment or housing…. due to an economic down-turn, various zoning and regulatory constraints, traffic congestion and lack of infrastructure investments…” Tonight the city's Department... Copyright 2008 Wed, 28 May 2008 15:20:57 -0800 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:16:33 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Is The Worst FIRST!

]]> Is The Worst http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034081 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034081 City Wed, 28 May 2008 15:30:03 -0800 Comment by dbell Dominic, are there any plans for development in the U district? I've always thought the ave could support a smaller, downtown-feeling area outside the city center.

Plus, thanks for keeping us all updated on important local city/county planning. This is the kind of stuff that needs exposure in local media outlets, and never seems to get it.

]]> dbell http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034090 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034090 City Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:37 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave dbell, because the local media gets paid by talking about how great the real estate industry is doing here.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034101 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034101 City Wed, 28 May 2008 15:45:37 -0800 Comment by lorax I agree with Staton that the real as-yet untapped source of new land for infill development is that which is dedicated to parking, both in Seattle and in the suburbs. The urban cores of many of the suburbs and the Seattle neighborhoods could benefit from cannibalizing the large amount of land dedicated to parking and using it for new, transit- or pedestrian-oriented residential and commercial development.

]]> lorax http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034109 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034109 City Wed, 28 May 2008 15:47:25 -0800 Comment by smp As a resident of Northgate I am thrilled. It is one of the only semi-decent areas of Seattle left where someone of modest income can afford to live. The one thing lacking is that it isn't a "walkable" neighborhood, but it is definitely a busable one. Sidewalks would be a definite plus.

]]> smp http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034141 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034141 City Wed, 28 May 2008 16:14:44 -0800 Comment by bobcat I live just north of the mall and I welcome this with open arms. Northgate has an excellent bus center (the 41 is a dream to downtown) and i'm right by the express lanes. It only takes about 10 minutes to get downtown in the mornings.

]]> bobcat http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034155 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034155 City Wed, 28 May 2008 16:27:39 -0800 Comment by blank12357 When you said "pop-up image of exisiting zoning" I thought I was going to see something a lot more three-dimensional. I'm disappointed.

]]> blank12357 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034172 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034172 City Wed, 28 May 2008 16:47:39 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle 65 and 85 ... now we're talking zoning!

But ... um ... where's the greenspace?

You can't just build ultra-tall buildings and chop down the nearby trees and expect people to want to live there, especially when the view can be blocked ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034195 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034195 City Wed, 28 May 2008 17:19:29 -0800 Comment by ouch Oh you were saying 100' buildings for low cost housing - I kept thinking you were saying 100 story buildings -

]]> ouch http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034211 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034211 City Wed, 28 May 2008 17:48:11 -0800 Comment by Cale This would be fantastic. Hope it goes through. Are they still going to turn that northern park and ride into a park?

]]> Cale http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034239 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034239 City Wed, 28 May 2008 18:56:35 -0800 Comment by Renee Will - There have been a lot of amenities added in the Northgate Core in anticipation of this including the Northgate Community Center and Library and the new Northgate Urban Center Park that will be on the 3+ acres site that is currently the park and ride north of Target. Also, there is a wonderful park in the center of the new Thornton Place development that will open next year.

]]> Renee http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034285 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034285 City Wed, 28 May 2008 21:25:47 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Oh ... feet.

85 feet.

Um ... too short.

We call that sprawl ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034317 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034317 City Wed, 28 May 2008 23:46:29 -0800 Comment by k Once again:

High-rises =/= urban density. They are also expensive and use ridiculous amounts of steel.

Oh, and high-rises combined with incentives for affordable housing?

Usually turns out to be a fucking social nightmare.

Why don't you go ask the French how Towers in the Park have been working out for them?

]]> k http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034344 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034344 City Thu, 29 May 2008 04:16:23 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger The question that never seems to be answered is what is affordable housing? Condos that you get to plunge into irresponsible debt of $300K - $500K to get into? Or will it be limited to low income residents who have to wait 6 months to 18 months just to get the chance to move in?

Why isn't there a push for quality rental properties that us middle income people can afford to get into?

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034361 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034361 City Thu, 29 May 2008 07:17:26 -0800 Comment by JesseJB 85 feet is not a highrise. This is hardly news. Im pretty sure Nordstrom in the mall is taller than that.

]]> JesseJB http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034368 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1034368 City Thu, 29 May 2008 08:35:45 -0800 Comment by Dan Stearn NE 115th St is the first cut-through street for cars and trucks trying to avoid the traffic on Northgateway. The city has already determined that this stretch of RESIDENTIAL street gets as much traffic and as many speeders as an arterial road. By the end of this summer there will be around 10 children living here and about a dozen others on 7th, 8th, and 9th Aves NE. There is a deaf man living here. There are numerous pedestrians, both adults and children who walk along this street to and from bus stops.

There is no safe place for pedestrians to walk with present traffic levels. Winter ice on the sloped edge of the street and muddy shoulders created by steady rain force pedestrians to walk dangerously close to the passing vehicles. Bicycles face the same problems as well.

If the city allows for more residetial construction in the Northgate area then the traffic load on 115th will increase and the residents here will be in even greater danger. One city official told me several years ago that the city would be inclined to put in sidewalks if a pedestrian was injured or killed by a car. I really hope that they were not serious.

In order to adequately protect its citizens, the city must take on the resposibilty of providing basic infrastructure like sidewalks. If the city expects to get increased tax revenue from the planned development and increased property values then it must invest in improvments in the adjacent areas as well.

I honestly like my neighbors and don't want to see any of them, or anyone in my own family get hurt or worse.

]]> Dan Stearn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1037694 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/dense_thinking_at_northgate#c1037694 City Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:16:33 -0800