Slog - Comments on Clinton-Obama Talks Over the VP Spot? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot Here's the CNN report: And here's the denial from both camps, along with a veiled (and somewhat contradictory) threat from one wing of the Clinton camp.... Copyright 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 09:37:47 -0800 Fri, 23 May 2008 13:06:19 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by elenchos Is it a bad thing if Hillary's $20 million in debts are not "integrated and involved in the Obama campaign"? It's like she's trying to get somebody to take over the payments on a bad home mortgage.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030613 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030613 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 09:40:16 -0800 Comment by hmmm Here's where we find out if Obama is strong enough to negotiate with insane terrorists holding hostages, without giving in to their demands.

]]> hmmm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030619 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030619 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 09:47:45 -0800 Comment by doremon John Edwards lost to John Kerry and he was the running mate. If Hilary doesn't at least get the VP her supporters will really be fuming.

]]> doremon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030624 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030624 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 09:52:24 -0800 Comment by Mike of Renton @2 made my day.

]]> Mike of Renton http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030627 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030627 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 09:55:41 -0800 Comment by Lloyd Cooney 2nd place in the nomination process does not guarantee a VP slot!

No to Hillary as VP. It is totally against what Obama's campaign represents.

]]> Lloyd Cooney http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030628 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030628 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 09:56:20 -0800 Comment by Reality Check @2 That is soooo true!

Seriously folks. If Obama is stupid enough to actually do this...

There is no way I can vote Democrat come this election day. I won't vote for Barack with Hillary on the ticket. She has been a complete and total bitch in this campaign season, doing things to her own party that are unprecedented in Presidential politics.

She just needs to go away. Now.

And take her $20 Million dollar debt and go find a minimum wage job to pay it off to see how many Americans truly live. Maybe after she has peeled out her last $10 bill for gas will she truly have a clue.

]]> Reality Check http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030630 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030630 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 09:58:11 -0800 Comment by lostboy along with a veiled (and somewhat contradictory) threat from one wing of the Clinton camp.

There was nothing veiled about that threat.

]]> lostboy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030637 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030637 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:27 -0800 Comment by Mary F. I know some skilled kindergarten teachers who could give Obama some pointers on how to deal with Clinton's conduct.

]]> Mary F. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030639 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030639 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:10:05 -0800 Comment by maxsolomon@home @1: as i understand it, once she's conceded, she can use $ set aside for her general race to pay off the debts of the nomination race. plus they're rich.

]]> maxsolomon@home http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030641 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030641 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:10:25 -0800 Comment by Willis NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> Willis http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030650 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030650 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:15:23 -0800 Comment by tsm Seriously, what does it say about Clinton and her team that their first tactic for gaining the VP slot is threats and strong-arming? I'm sure Obama is going to listen and say "Yeah, I want to deal with this for the next four years."

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030652 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030652 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:16:52 -0800 Comment by Blabba You shouldn't have both candidates on the ticket. America will find it challenging enough voting for a woman or a half-black man; they wont' vote for a woman and a half-black man, whatever the order of the ticket.

We are not a progressive country. We're fairly conservative. We just have pockets of progressiveness.

I can't understand these Hillary supporters that say they won't vote for Obama and Obama supporters that say they won't vote for Hillary. Some of them even say they hate Bush and yet would rather vote for McCain! I can't understand why they'd want to make the country more of a garbage dump than it already is.

Listen children, you never get a perfect candidate. Ever. If that's what you want, stop voting. Now.

I'm a democrat first. I'll vote for whoever the nominee is. It looks like it will be Obama. I'll vote for him, but he's going to lose. I think this time it will be fairly significant too, not a close race. You read it here first!

]]> Blabba http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030656 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030656 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:20:36 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger GRACEFUL EXIT!!??!! What the FUCK!! She passed "graceful exit" three months ago.

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030658 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030658 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:22:09 -0800 Comment by brandon when is somebody going to pipe up and put a stop to all this? it's an election and she lost. there are no consolation prizes. nobody owes her anything.

and now she's making herself out to be a fucking champion of civil rights because she wants to change the rules she agreed to from the beginning. bad leadership, bad judgment, bad campaign, bad everything. she's proven herself completely unsuitable for the job.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030661 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030661 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:23:43 -0800 Comment by lark @12. I actually mentioned a few weeks ago on this Slog that McCain will be our next president. The Democratic Party is unequivocally split. The combination of Obama being too inexperienced, the party rules (punishing MI & FL) and outraged Clinton supporters will put McCain in the presidency. Obama should never have run.

]]> lark http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030669 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030669 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:36:22 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave lark, it'd be pretty stupid to say that the winner of a race shouldnt have even tried to compete.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030682 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030682 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:43:57 -0800 Comment by Big Sven Speaking as a former Clinton supporter, the vitriol that numbnuts like Reality Check spew on the candidate that 48% of Democrats supported in this race is simply breathtaking. Yes, she lost, and she should concede, but she brings a lot of passionate supporters to the table, and comparing her to a terrorist makes us all look like morons.

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030684 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030684 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:44:51 -0800 Comment by doremon Don't worry Clinton's die hard supporters if they stay home they'll be canceled out by the conservatives who hate McCain.

]]> doremon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030698 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030698 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:48:44 -0800 Comment by hmmm You retards predicting a McCain win are forgetting that Hillary's supporters are the only ones outside the beltway media who have even expressed a desire to vote for that loser.

Has anyone seen any McCain stickers around on cars, lawn signs, heard anyone proudly talking up the old man? I still see W stickers on the road and there's plenty of Ron Paul signs and stickers around; I've yet to see or hear an actual person (like, not a pundit on TV) say anything positive about McCain. My Republican friends and family universally hate the guy and either plan to sit the election out or vote Dem.

It's worth mentioning that he managed to piss off his base here in WA by fucking Boeing over.

]]> hmmm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030699 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030699 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:48:49 -0800 Comment by w7ngman #15, are you fucking insane? How is this Obama's fault?

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030706 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030706 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:52:07 -0800 Comment by tsm That's pretty impressive, @15, the way you try to shoulder the blame for the Democratic Party's internal troubles on Obama for daring to actually run - and win fair and square, no less. What gall he showed!

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030707 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030707 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:52:23 -0800 Comment by kk I've been reading some of the pro-Clinton blogs and the arguments seem to boil down to: (1) Clinton can win in the general election while Obama can't and (2) Obama and the media are sexist. The overwhelming sense (repeated in @15 comment's that "Obama should never have run") is that Clinton is self-evidently entitled to the nomination. All pretense of Clinton being a better president, having more experience, running a better campaign, being able to raise more money, being able to turn out more new voters, improving the Democrats' chances in the House and Senate, etc., is gone--there now just seems to be a raging (there is no better word) bitterness among her remaining supporters. I am sure that it is disappointing to have the first woman be so close to the nomination of a major party and then lose. But stirring up rage and bitterness is not a very good way to get a spot on the ticket.

]]> kk http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030710 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030710 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:54:59 -0800 Comment by Andy Niable Two points:

1) Alpha-males, even when they are females, don't make good VP candidates.

2) If someone wants the VP slot, you act conciliatory and friendly to the candidate likely to have the top slot. Read Wonkette's latest entry on Hillary's stalwart resistance to conciliations about Michigan and Florida ("Our Greatest American Draws The Line") and then explain to how her behavior in any way indicates someone who WANTS to work with Obama, much less run with him.

]]> Andy Niable http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030715 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030715 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:58:45 -0800 Comment by chutzpah Clinton tearing the party apart with her divisive comments (hardworking "white" Americans, caucus states like Washington don't count, DNC rules her staff approved = elections in Zimbabwe) and then demanding the VP slot as the only way to unify the party is like the man who killed his parents and then begged the judge for mercy because he was an orphan.

]]> chutzpah http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030716 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030716 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:58:51 -0800 Comment by whatevernevermind Seriously, if he gives in, it's over. She can't get elected President and her as VP guarantees he can't, either. She's poison. If Obama chooses her, what's the point in voting for him?

]]> whatevernevermind http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030730 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030730 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 11:17:16 -0800 Comment by hmmm why won't unPC just show up and throw a fit so we can stop trolling her?

]]> hmmm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030773 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030773 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 11:23:57 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle @10 wins.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030784 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1030784 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 11:24:29 -0800 Comment by w7ngman #17, speaking of vitrol, ever read the comments at reclusiveleftist.com?

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031002 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031002 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 11:57:00 -0800 Comment by w7ngman I take that back, it's not really vitrol. Just utter stupidity blinded by feminism.

Current headline is "Why does the guy with the second-most votes keep acting like he’s going to be the nominee?"

Because um... he can? By some interpretations, Clinton's been acting like she was going to be the nominee for months.

Convenient that she doesn't count a state where Obama wasn't even on the ballot, and doesn't count certain caucus votes.

Sigh. Cognitive dissonance is fun.

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031059 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031059 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 12:05:47 -0800 Comment by daniel Yeah... the entire premise of popular vote is flawed in the presence of caucuses. Everyone knows that caucuses are going to have lower turnout. There's a system. If the system was pick the person with the most popular votes NO STATES WOULD HAVE CAUCUSES. Anyway, Erica's friends at reclusiveleftist are clearly just angry at the sexism in the system.

]]> daniel http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031296 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031296 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 13:03:34 -0800 Comment by brandon how can the woman with the least delegates keep acting like the nomination is her birthright? how can people watch a democrat say the republican candidate is more qualified than her democratic rival, or listen to her former-president/disbarred attorney/sexual predator husband use his pulpit to trash a candidate in his own party, and then whine about her unfair treatment? mind boggling.

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031308 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/clintonobama_talks_over_the_vp_spot#c1031308 2008 Fri, 23 May 2008 13:06:19 -0800