Comments on Clinton in the Arena
Yes, she is a fighter, as shown by this Youtube video which can also be viewed by clicking my name.
Its really beginning to look pathological.
I've been really shocked adn disappointed with Hillary and her campaign for the last few weeks. But at this point what can she do? Look at what she said about single mothers, working parents, etc...she has made her campaign at this point about identifying with her no-quit attitude not issues, and certainly not liberal issues as her race-baiting and patriotism-questioning have shown. She painted herself into a corner. What's she to do now? Let down these people? I'm hoping, I really am, that as an intelligent person her plan is to stay in until every territory and state votes to salvage the only positive thing she has left: she's tough and won't quit. Then, (I hope), she can thank her supporters and say "we stuck to it until the end, didn't we?".
I am hoping, praying that is what her plan and internal ratinale. Because anything else is indeed somewhat pathological or simply abhorant (destroy Obama's chances in 2008 so she can come back in 2012).
Is it just me or is watching Hillary at this point pretty much like watching Sunset Boulevard : The Political Version?
I watch now just for how pathetically entertaining she is at this point.
Face it. We've entered the "Rainbow Tour" portion of her campaign.
Sure would be nice if she fought just as hard for something besides herself for a change.
I hope that her supporters donate as much as they can (and are legally allowed to) so that she can pay off her debt.
The "keep going" bit is recycled from her first Senate campaign. (Read "The Girls in the Van" for the best take on it.)
When my husband "ended welfare as we know it" for single moms and grandparents caring for grandkids and all those people using it to help take care of mentally or medically ill loved ones, I marvel, how do they keep going?
When all those unemployed white working class people I talk to in the heartland lost their jobs after my husband signed NAFTA, they just kept going.
When people struggle to pay their health care bills, long after I failed to deliver on creating universal health coverage, I am in awe of the fight they show, how they keep going.
When I voted for a law backed by credit card companies to make it harder for people to file for bankruptcy, and that law was eventually passed 4 years later, I took heart in the thought that the people I tried to screw were going to keep going anyway.
It's all these everyday, unacknowledged victims of neoliberal economic policies that I support-- who tell me their sob stories wherever I go-- who are my role political role models, my inspiration in life, my reason for staying in this race til the bitter fucking end...
BHO should offer her VP now.
1. Personal dislike is a petty reason not to. Not very presidential. I think Obama is above all that.
2. It would stop the intra party fight.
3. She's gotten about 46% of the votes, many key states and demographics he has not yet gotten, she's the no. 2 most powerful Democratic politician right now, it's a show of unity, he woudl immediately get her fighting for him! all the nonpersonal reasons suggest it is a great coalition.
3. Dislike of her voters, her demographics is a silly reason not to -- unless you want to NOT GET them to vote for Obama and want to shrink his electoral map.
4. "She won't take it!" so then it doesn't matter to offer her right?
"She'll work for Obama anyway" yes but not as hard as if she is on the ticket.
"She will be a bad partner as VP -- too amibitious" what are you saying Obama can't control her ? You sayin' he's not strong enough? WTF? "He can't control Bill!!" what Obama is too weak to even control the VP's spouse?
another thing: doing it now means he can make sure she obeys orders between now and the convention as he could always dump her then if she doesn't obey his orders....
"Our message is change and they represent the past" -- well, actually, the presidential candidate defines the whole campaign and with Obama on top yes it is damn plenty o' change in a black dude-white gal ticket.
"That's just not how it's done" well you want to follw the boring procedural etiquette of the past or garner victory in full and harness the energy and the flow and move forward now?
It would be change to setlle it all now.
WAITING till 8/28 gives Obama and his VP only TWO MONTHS to run a general election campaign -- why wait?
I see Obama has:
--in effect declared victory with his vicotry lap
--announced the big new voter registration drive nationwide
--tried to be more how-to in his ecoomic appeals and tried to reach out to the w.w.c. voters he hasn't been getting.
--softened position on MI.
All in line with prior recommendations thank you very much.
Be for change, hope unity. Offer her VP.
Hey if you have a better idea on his electoral map path to victory let's hear it. I'd say putting her on ticket lets him focus on expand-the-map (CO VA NV NM WI IA NC MO NE) AND lets him USE HER to nail down or make competitive or win PA OH MA NJ FL WV KY AR MO NH NV NM ..BillDawg can be relegated to WV AR KY and other dogpatchy states and groups.....Who brings as much oomph to the ticket and shuts her down as much? Webb? Romer? Richardson? Eh, they are all worth considering but shit didn't none of them just win about 13 million votes....
he has the power of victory, he should use it and use it now -- rather than be subject to the course of events.
fly away Billary, please. Out with the old!
#10: Good points all, and I really don't like Hillary Clinton. If she refuses the offer he gets credit for working with enemies...as he says he wants to do. Let her continue to carry on her "identify with me" schtick in the Rust Belt states and Florida, let him tackle those "expand the map" states. Forcing Old Man McCain to have to campaign vigorously in the 04 Swing States (Ohio, Florida) plus places like CO, NM, MT, NV, NC and MO would be a good tactic.
Let's face it, no VP McCain picks is going to have the star power of Hillary he will have to go himself to those states she would concentrate on.
100% agreed about scuttling Bill off to Arkansas and WV.
Hillary and Huck-a-bee, what better for Democrazy?
I am really so sick of her pants suits. . .and ORANGE for gawds sake.
I'm not convinced that the blue collars actually like her. I just think they don't like Obama, and that's why they want her to win. The older females are different.
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