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<title>Slog - Comments on Awkward Moments in South Lake Union Planning</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan</link>
<description>A meeting of the South Lake Union Friends and Neighbors group (SLUFAN), a community group loyal to the mayor’s and Vulcan’s development agenda, last night was supposed to accomplish, among other things, two goals: to hold an “urban form discussion” about its rezoning proposals for neighborhood growth, and to choose between two candidates tied for a board seat in a neighborhood-wide election. Easier said than done. PART ONE—A room in the South Lake Union Armory building was stuffed with people who had read an article about SLUFAN considering recommendations to allow 400-foot-tall buildings in the neighborhood. The topic was allotted...</description>
<copyright>Copyright 2008</copyright>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:17:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PC</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>greater density creates other views and increases the value of nearby property.  it's more sustainable and makes for a more walkable city.  a bigger downtown makes it easier for people to live and work .....downtown.  the alternative is to channel more of the growth out in the burbs.  our current downtown is pretty small as it is and & not befitting for a downtown of a region encompassing several million folks.  </p>]]></description>
<author>PC</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018572</link>
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<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:53:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by max solomon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>sugar, if you build tall buildings in a VALLEY it can't block views from the hills.</p>]]></description>
<author>max solomon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018580</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018580</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:54:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>This sure doesn't sound anything like what I was proposing ...</p>

<p>(as he personally thanks Paul Allen for listening to him and looking around last time he went to Vancouver BC ...)</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018680</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018680</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:19:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Urban Girl</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>This area got redesignated as an Urban Center and should therefore take a significant amount of projected residential and job growth.  400 foot limits seems like an appropriate height to consider in some areas of SLU.  Those heights are allowed right across the street in the Downtown Office Core which begins on the other side of Denny right?</p>]]></description>
<author>Urban Girl</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018741</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018741</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:39:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Giffy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reminding way neighborhood groups are waste of a good meeting space. </p>]]></description>
<author>Giffy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018775</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018775</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:52:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Reality Check</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>We can only pray that the least density is the plan going forward.</p>

<p>They should modify the plan to have a requirement for less height the closer you are to the lake, with nothing over 3 stories within a block of it.</p>]]></description>
<author>Reality Check</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018901</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018901</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:47:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bellevue Ave</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>property values wouldnt decrease necessarily as the opportunity cost of retaining the low profile viewless building would increase. you could actually attain a higher price for your property. </p>

<p>also, why the fuck are people so concerned about property values when it doesnt seem like they are likely to sell</p>]]></description>
<author>Bellevue Ave</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018905</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1018905</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:49:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. X</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@4,</p>

<p>You don't need to upzone beyond the current limit to turn SLU into an urban center and/or meet the job/housing growth goals there.</p>

<p>However, allowing 400' buildings will ensure that little or none of the housing is affordable, and that a lot more commercial buildings are built that will attract commuters from distant locales.</p>

<p>Kind of the worst of both worlds - even before you start blocking views and casting shadows over P-Patches and playfields.</p>

<p>Paul Allen and other speculators bought these properties with the existing zoning, and in addition to making close to $1.5 billion in infrastructure demands they now want us to give (and this is a public gift of value to the detriment of existing properties) them a massive upzone and increase in value for essentially nothing.  </p>

<p>Oh, and Will, in B.C. they can make real demands of property owners who want to build higher (not least of which is requiring that a significant number of units be set aside at truly affordable rates along with the luxury condos in a way that cannot be imposed here), so please spare me that analogy.</p>

<p> </p>

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<author>Mr. X</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019151</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019151</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:41:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Pomme Fritz</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Requiem for a view...</p>

<p>I live about halfway up Queen Anne with a view of Lake Union and, for a few more weeks (maybe), Mt. Rainier.  The latter view is about to disappear behind a mass of new development in the Stewart/Virginia area between downtown and Capital Hill.  The future is now.  Fuck it.  Might as well build it up.  At the very least SLU should become an even more walkable neighborhood that it has already.  The kicker won't be views but traffic, because it is pretty much guaranteed that Seattle won't come up with a truly intelligent solution to the problem.</p>]]></description>
<author>Pomme Fritz</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019402</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019402</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:46:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@8 - bull.</p>

<p>You and I both know that Paul Allen and Bill Gates say "I want to build THIS high" and it happens.</p>

<p>Now, come back to reality and enjoy the view.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019431</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019431</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:22:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Noel</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.  Just wanted to add some clarity to the record here.<br />
<br /><br /></p>

<p><a href="http://www.thesouthlake.com/2008/05/holy-hypocrisy-batman.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesouthlake.com/2008/05/holy-hypocrisy-batman.html</a><br />
<br /><br /></p>

<p>Three comments down is my official statement.  <br />
<br /><br /></p>

<p>I still don't believe it was an accident that an article hit the PI quoting only Masson and her company the scheduled day of the re-vote on the SLUFAN election.</p>

<p><br /><br /><br />
I won't worry about the factual inaccuracies of the SLOG (my jacket was actually hung on the back of my chair, and you might want to double-check the name of the SLUFAN board president.) as I am more interested in letting folks know where I stand.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>Noel</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019486</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019486</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:04:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by k</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>So, where are the drawings?</p>

<p>And can somebody, anybody get the word out that skyscrapers do not actually equal urban density?</p>]]></description>
<author>k</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019516</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/awkward_moments_in_south_lake_union_plan#c1019516</guid>
<category>City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:31:16 -0800</pubDate>
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