Slog - Comments on A Letter to Hillary Clinton http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton From Slog commenter Original Monique: Dear Hillary, Please stop. You are losing credibility and empathy by the minute. Were you treated poorly by the media? Yes. Was there rampant sexism in this campaign? Yes. Does that mean you should keep at this horrible losing game, insulting the very voters that had confidence in you? No. Just stop. Please. End the pettiness. End the stereotype. Just smile and wave and stump for Obama. I am sorry things didn't work out for you. I really am. I am sorry I probably won't see a woman president in my lifetime. I truly wish... Copyright 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:30:37 -0800 Fri, 30 May 2008 16:06:14 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by rtw Hugs and Kisses, Women everywhere - except Montana, South Dakota, and Puerto Rico.

]]> rtw http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035479 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035479 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:33:59 -0800 Comment by Mike Women everywhere - except Montana, South Dakota, Puerto Rico, and the rest of the planet.

]]> Mike http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035514 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035514 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:39:34 -0800 Comment by Gurldoggie Don't hold your breath waiting for Hil to make rational decisions about this. Sherman Alexie wrote something this week that should be repeated in all of these conversations. "There is something profoundly wrong with anybody who wants to be president."

]]> Gurldoggie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035534 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035534 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:42:01 -0800 Comment by Jubilation T. Cornball I'm pretty much where Monique is, myself. I really wanted Hillary to win -- I still don't "get" the whole Obama thing -- but I care more about the Supreme Court appointments in the next 4 years so I'm over myself and ready to campaign for the Big O.

]]> Jubilation T. Cornball http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035538 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035538 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:42:34 -0800 Comment by Soupytwist Original Monique only represents herself and nothing ticks me off more than someone writing these faux-letters from the masses.

IF you really feel that way, write a real fucking letter FROM YOURSELF to the person/company/whatever. Otherwise it's a trite attempt at cleverness that has no real meaning.

]]> Soupytwist http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035544 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035544 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:43:29 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Original Monique represents all of the women in the world, Soupytwist.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035605 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035605 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:52:19 -0800 Comment by Hernandez Umm...she's far the only woman who feels this way. Of course she can't speak for ALL Women Everywhere, but her opinion on Hillary's quixotic last ditch campaigning is far from a minority opinion.

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035623 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035623 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:54:21 -0800 Comment by elenchos Soupytwist, if you believed what you just said you would not have posted it, you'd have emailed Dan Savage.

OM raises the specter of Hillary stumping for Obama and that is kind of gross when you think about it.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035642 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035642 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:58:15 -0800 Comment by arduous Obama should agree to adopt Clinton and Edwards' health care plan.

And then she should quit.

]]> arduous http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035648 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035648 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 10:59:09 -0800 Comment by Original Monique Dear Soupytwist,

Don't be jealous.

Love,

Everyone

]]> Original Monique http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035654 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035654 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:00:06 -0800 Comment by the internets Original Monique, please crosspost your letter here with others like it: http://nicetrygiveup.com/

]]> the internets http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035674 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035674 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:03:39 -0800 Comment by Jonathan Golob Well put, Monique.

Catch thearticle in the NYT earlier this week, noting Hillary's current irrationality is fucking up her position in the Senate?

It was always clear to me HRC was, is and will be the better senator than Obama. It's infuriating to see her piss away her political future.

]]> Jonathan Golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035689 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035689 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:07:25 -0800 Comment by Original Monique Elenchos,

She does need to wave the hat for Obama, cool the nerves of old feminists, and get her supporters (a good number, btw) to back Obama.

I am not saying that people won't generally just gravitate toward him, but it is a good move on her part to just be gracious now, and put energy to helping the party. And that means stumping (to some degree) for Obama.

]]> Original Monique http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035690 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035690 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:07:26 -0800 Comment by RonK, Seattle Original Monique takes her best shot at euthanizing the Unity Pony.

Nice try, sweetie.

]]> RonK, Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035702 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035702 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:09:47 -0800 Comment by Shawn Fassett I'm bored with people that claim that Hillary is their only chance to vote for a female candidate for the Presidency. Really? Hillary? That's all you've got. I say back to the drawing board or lab or whatever if that's the only choice we've got in the next 30-50 years. Pathetic.

]]> Shawn Fassett http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035738 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035738 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:18:18 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave RonK, is the only shot at unity in the democratic party made available by hillary winning? what does obama have to do to unite the party other than dropping out?

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035740 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035740 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:18:41 -0800 Comment by pragmatic I think all marriages between human beings should be legal: provided that 1)all parties are legally adults, and all parties are mentally competent to ensure nobody is taken advantage of. With those conditions met, marry 5 guys and 3 women for all I care.

]]> pragmatic http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035756 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035756 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:22:14 -0800 Comment by A Non Imus Dear Original Monique,

Speak for yourself. Calling Hillary (pandering, scolding, sensible-shoes Hillary!) "sweetheart" makes us vomit a little bit in our mouths.

XOX,

Everyone Else.

]]> A Non Imus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035759 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035759 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:22:37 -0800 Comment by inkweary That letter is horrible: "just smile and wave"? That's what empty headed first ladies like Pat Nixon were told to do. This strikes me as horribly patronizing and anti-feminist. "I probably won't see a woman president in my life time": is O. M. 80- something?

]]> inkweary http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035762 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035762 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:23:01 -0800 Comment by pragmatic Shit, I commented on the wrong story, can a moderator or somesuch delete that comment?

]]> pragmatic http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035766 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035766 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:23:23 -0800 Comment by pragmatic Shit, I commented on the wrong article. Could a moderator or somesuch delete that comment?

]]> pragmatic http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035770 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035770 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:24:06 -0800 Comment by Jeff Stevens Sorry pragmatic @20 & 21, your'e mistake will now become a SLOG meta-meme which will hang around well past the election.

I, meanwhile, vote for The Swed'e.

Oh shit! I commented on th'e wrong
thread! " rel="nofollow">Do'h!

]]> Jeff Stevens http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035808 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035808 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:36:00 -0800 Comment by pragmatic Shit, I commented on the wrong post; will a moderator or somesuch delete that comment?

]]> pragmatic http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035824 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035824 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:40:02 -0800 Comment by Rebecca Wow, that wasn't patronizing or anything.
Did I miss something, or has Hillary still been winning primaries? Did Obama get enough delegates to take the nomination cleanly while I was, oh, having a life?
This primary isn't over yet. Stop trying to disenfranchise the people who voted for her.
And stop being so f-ing condescending.

]]> Rebecca http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035826 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035826 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:40:11 -0800 Comment by pragmatic? Shit, I commented on the wrong comment: will a moderator or somesuch delete that comment?

]]> pragmatic? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035837 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035837 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:42:06 -0800 Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me @13

It ain't going to happen. If anything she'll silently work behind the scenes for McCain so she can have a clear path to run again in four years. It's all about personal ambition.

]]> You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035869 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035869 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:52:30 -0800 Comment by Julie I think it's a little weird that the letter is from "Women everywhere"? Why not "your supporters" or "your former supporters" or "people who like you but think it's time to move on"?

Having it be from "women" sort of presumes that women were the only ones supporting her. There doesn't seem to be anything in the letter that's particular to a female perspective, so it's curious to me...

]]> Julie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035876 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035876 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 11:54:44 -0800 Comment by brandon really, hillary isn't our only chance at a female president EVER. she's just the first woman to get this close. yes she faced a lot of sexism, but she also ran a *terrible* campaign. she earned her loss fair and square (and she's definitely not doing feminism any favors by teathering the cause to her sinking ship).

]]> brandon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035908 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035908 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:03:31 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV Whoa. Original Monique was one of the hardest-core Hillary supporters around.


I should know--I was out with her one one of the big primary nights, and got an earful (or two...)

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035932 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035932 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:13:18 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle This is a beautiful post by Original Monique.

And one hopes the next week will end this period on a high note, for everyone's sake.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035949 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035949 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:16:18 -0800 Comment by elswinger I was for Hillary back in January, but I have been disgusted by the way she and Bill have campaigned. I am also deeply disappointed in Geraldine Ferraro, who was a hero of mine as a teen.

]]> elswinger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035998 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1035998 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:29:51 -0800 Comment by Doctor Memory p.s. next time consider not voting for an obviously ginned-up war and then providing cover for the same bunch of psychopaths and criminals to do it again four years later.

Better luck next lifetime,

--millions of people who otherwise would have been happily voting for you

]]> Doctor Memory http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036036 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036036 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 12:42:16 -0800 Comment by Odrama Is this all Eli Sanders have to post now ? Just pro Odrama pieces all the time? Hillary has every right to take it to the convention so speak for yourself and not women everywhere.

]]> Odrama http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036137 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036137 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:17:15 -0800 Comment by elenchos @33

Did somebody say Hillary had no right to continue? Who?

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036148 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036148 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:21:50 -0800 Comment by apres_moi ok. as an obama supporter and I have been since 2006, I was very surprised to see Obama get the support and votes he's received since the primaries started. Honestly, I thought it'd be Hillary winning. I started donating money to his campaign back in December by going to a private campaign reception at Bell Harbor, and given more money throughout this campaign.

I'll reiterate, I'm amazingly surprised he's the nominee. However, I'm sad to see Hillary fall through many mishaps and poor decisions made during the primary.

  • I also believe she could've redeemed herself back in March if she had given a speech or forum on misogeny since Obama opened the door for her to do that in March. Instead she now comes out calling the media sexists towards her like a poor loser. She jumped on the bandwagon to try to vilify Obama through his pastor. Obama could've done the same but didn't. She could've been civil and respectful about the whole issue and defended him. She would've gained support. I know I'll get shit for saying this but Obama was a gentleman to her throughout the campaign and didn't say anything sexist about her. She and her husband used the race card starting in January by comparing Obama to Jackson, by saying only blacks are voting for him and inferring that he'll lose the primary like Jackson did back in 84 and 88.

  • She shouldn't have used her husband to campaign for him. I know spouses usually do that, but in this case, the spouse was a former president. Former presidents never have any pull or say during the primary season, and should never for what we've seen in this primary. So a major faux paux was made that severly hurt her.

  • Mark Penn and having 2 other guys as senior campaign strategists. They drove her campaign into the ground.

  • Things she said. "He's not a muslim, as far as I know", "yes they're bitter and angry", "White bluecolor voters" - as a black person, I felt like she used us just for votes and slapped us in the face for supporting her and her husband during the scandel. Referencing RFK to Obama then apologizing only to the Kennedy family and not to Obama.

  • Her lies..

  • Fl/MI votes. she signed that agreement and is on record last year for saying that they should be penalized for moving their primary date to an earlier date. Then she comes back, going against her word and signed agreement, arguing to have them counted since she's losing.

  • She went into the primary expecting to get coronated and win on Super Tuesday.

    • ]]>     apres_moi http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036155 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036155 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:25:32 -0800     Comment by Odrama "Referencing RFK to Obama then apologizing only to the Kennedy family and not to Obama."
    She does not owe Odrama a freaking apology whatsoever. Odrama and his supporters took her words out of context and were so freaking paranoid. RFK's son even defended her.

    ]]>     Odrama http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036190 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036190 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:38:23 -0800     Comment by lol Hillary's only path to the nomination is the one she noted last week.

    ]]>     lol http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036206 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036206 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:11 -0800     Comment by Big Sven Nice letter, Mo. Is Rhett the last SLOG regular still in the Clinton camp? 5280's been pretty scarce lately...

    ]]>     Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036208 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036208 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:20 -0800     Comment by Bellevue Ave Odrama, we don't owe hillary the opportunity to run for president if the selection process for the nomination makes that impossible.

    ]]>     Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036214 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036214 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 13:44:53 -0800     Comment by Original Monique I referenced "women everywhere" because she is perpetuating the stereotype that Women can't handle a 'big office', hard times, and the like by continuing this.

    As a woman, I would have preferred her to exit the race with grace and dignity. She has done neither and I think it just continues the sexism that was against her from the start.

    And I know it's *possible* we could have a female win the prez spot, but it just doesn't look good. It's not just the sexism, even strong women leaders on constantly attacked by men and women for being "bitches" et al.

    I just want to resign myself that it won't happen, so maybe I will be pleasantly surprised. Just keep expectations low, and dissapointment is hard to come.

    PS. Rebecca: I have a lot of love for Hillary, I really do. But she is making an ass of herself and ruining her future.

    ]]>     Original Monique http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036253 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036253 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 14:07:41 -0800     Comment by w7ngman I'm still wondering how someone could consider the Obama campaign to be more dramatic than the Clinton campaign.

    ]]>     w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036309 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036309 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 14:31:00 -0800     Comment by Odrama "she is perpetuating the stereotype that Women can't handle a 'big office', hard times, and the like by continuing this"
    She hasn't lost officially and she's fighting everything she has. If that's not handling hard times what the hell is.

    ]]>     Odrama http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036352 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036352 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 14:50:35 -0800     Comment by elenchos Blind stubbornness in the face of an obviously pointless campaign is exactly why we're still stuck in Iraq. This is supposed to make Hillary look like a good leader?

    ]]>     elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036367 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036367 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 15:01:06 -0800     Comment by Bellevue Ave Odrama, losing officially is an obvious eventuality for her, and if you want to contest that notion then lets put some money down on her being the presidential nomination barring something happening to obama pre convention. Seriously, the difference between officially losing and losing currently are inseparable at this point.

    ]]>     Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036405 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036405 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 15:20:41 -0800     Comment by skye odrama sounds likes fluteprof

    ]]>     skye http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036456 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036456 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 15:34:16 -0800     Comment by w7ngman Perhaps since Mike Huckabee hasn't "officially" lost, he should go around telling people that he'd be a better president than McCain and how he's taking this bitch all the way to the convention to, you know, represent the people that voted for him.

    That, and if you don't count all the states McCain won, he won the popular vote.

    ]]>     w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036566 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/a_letter_to_hillary_clinton#c1036566 2008 Fri, 30 May 2008 16:06:14 -0800