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Posted by DW | April 1, 2008 11:14 AM

"...and that's why Hillary deserves the nomination."

Posted by Banna | April 1, 2008 11:14 AM

When Hillary bowls, she says she scores 325 everytime.

Posted by Clint | April 1, 2008 11:21 AM

Erica, repeat after me, "I am a poor sport."

Posted by Homo Will | April 1, 2008 11:21 AM

Only way I can break 100 is with the bumpers up. Does that make me black?

Posted by Miss Daisy | April 1, 2008 11:25 AM

This is why I pray for a nuclear strike to take out Matthews, Scarborough, and all the rest of them every time I see them.

Posted by Fnarf | April 1, 2008 11:26 AM

it's true. it is lame that a male candidate has to seem "manly" to win the respect of a large voting bloc of america. the same thing happened to kerry vs. bush. bush looked good throwing a pitch, playing football, or working the range. kerry -- not so much so.

but the view of "manly" man doesn't attach from one photo op or video... there has to be a pattern established.

Posted by infrequent | April 1, 2008 11:26 AM

#2/#4: Oh come on, get over it. ECB's post is pro-Obama, anti-homophobia, and anti-sexism and you're still on her case.

Posted by poppy | April 1, 2008 11:29 AM

Is ECB turning the corner; becoming pro-Obama?

Posted by Fitz | April 1, 2008 11:31 AM

Poppy- It that what her post is about? I don't really get it.
I just get that Erica seems angry about something.
Maybe I am just too much of a faggity retard.

Posted by Scott Dow | April 1, 2008 11:32 AM

@2,3, and 4: I don't know what's wrong with you three, but Erica's got a point. These commentators are reinforcing the terrible, terrible idea that a president has to be a "real man" ... and it seems like they always claim the Republican candidate is the "manliest" of the two. Well, it's crap, and it's not doing any favors to the Democrats, Obama, or America.

Posted by Greg | April 1, 2008 11:33 AM

So playing basketball isn't "manly"? I'd love to see these pale tubs of lard on the court, and see how "manly" they look.

Also, I didn't realize bowling scores were tiered on a "manliness" scale. Christ, everything is politicized with these gasbags. Why do Mathews or Scarborough still have jobs?

Posted by laterite | April 1, 2008 11:35 AM

No, it makes you a girl

Posted by km | April 1, 2008 11:35 AM

@8 - I see this post as more of an attempt to legitimize the sexism victimization of the Clinton campaign by applying it to another candidate. "See, sexism really hurts my candidate because it hurts other candidates too.

Posted by Banna | April 1, 2008 11:36 AM

Yeah, but Obama could drive the lane over Scarborough any day. And I bet Chris Matthews couldn't throw a spiral. Fuckin pussies.

Posted by NaFun | April 1, 2008 11:37 AM

You are right, ECB. Women have fought for less-rigid gender roles (still a long way to go, but even the hardest cynic has to admit that there has been marked progress over the decades).

Men need to do the same thing, or any guy or boy who isn't a burly man or interested in burly man things will always be labelled effeminate--which shouldn't be seen as a negative either. But still, you know. Right?

Posted by tabletop_joe | April 1, 2008 11:39 AM

I for one am looking forward to Obama's nationwide address on the issue of bowling.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | April 1, 2008 11:44 AM

Who the hell looks manly bowling? Seriously. All good bowlers are bald and fat.

Also, I'd like to see Matthews bowl. He probably bowls like a girl.

Posted by w7ngman | April 1, 2008 11:45 AM

Matthews and Scarborough like to play hide the pickle...not that there anything wrong with that.

I dont see them running mccains crippled old man sports statistics. This is jy=ust to perpetuate the sterotype (fact?) that democrats are more effeminate then anyone who actualy cared would vote for the "girly party" anyway

Posted by linus | April 1, 2008 11:51 AM

See, I would've Stranger-bolded it like this:

and this gets very ethnic, but the fact that he’s good at basketball doesn’t surprise anybody

You look at a quote like this, and leap first to the sexism?

Posted by tsm | April 1, 2008 11:53 AM

I remember serving with Hillary in the 17th Combat Bowling Brigade. If it hadn't been for Fnarf throwing that pin at the snipers, none of us would be here today.

Posted by Will in Seattle | April 1, 2008 11:54 AM

To a large segment of the population, "fat and bald" is the very essence of manliness. Drive the lane? Who cares? Can he shotgun a beer?

Posted by Fnarf | April 1, 2008 11:57 AM

This could be a problem for Obama in the general. McCain is bald(ing) and fat, so it follows that he must be a championship-caliber bowler.

Posted by Hernandez | April 1, 2008 11:58 AM

I've long believed that most of the sexist bullshit perpetrated against women by men has its roots in the sexist bullshit perpetrated against men by men.

Sexism against women is the symptom of a larger problem: our (still largely male-dominated) society has an extremely unhealthy idea of what it means to be a man. Men won't stop oppressing women until they stop oppressing themselves.

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 11:59 AM

In no way is bowling manly. Those guys must be out-of-touch with reality. It is certainly lower-middle class, but not manly. The upper-middle class equivalent is golfing. It's a sport, but a man it does not make.

Manly is hunting, fishing, shooting*, riding bulls, woodworking, auto repair, etc.

*shooting dogs with arrows is not manly.

Posted by John Wayne | April 1, 2008 12:00 PM

Does anyone else find it kind of odd/disturbing that Matthews euphemised racial stereotyping as "getting ethnic?"

Posted by w7ngman | April 1, 2008 12:03 PM

Bowler or no, Obama is still the Presidential candidate I'd most like to sip a glass of white wine with.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | April 1, 2008 12:03 PM

@24, the concept of the manly man is reinforced by men and women.

Posted by infrequent | April 1, 2008 12:05 PM


**Unless they are pit bulls. Then you are a wise, brave humanitarian.

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 12:07 PM

@14. I think it's pretty clear that the post was about how it's unfortunate that sexism can play a role, even if a candidate is male.

I do not get why everyone tries to make every single ECB post about her supporting Clinton. These guys are clearly morons having a moronic conversation about how Obama isn't manly enough, and I think it's ridiculous to assume that the post is about anything other than that.

Though, I agree with tsm that the basketball comment is bullshit too.

Posted by Julie | April 1, 2008 12:09 PM

since when is bowling a manly sport? is it even a sport? i always thought it was just an excuse to drink beer while wearing a funny shirt and shoes. and when you think about it, that's pretty fuckin gay.

Posted by brandon | April 1, 2008 12:09 PM

morgan, who says women arent part of the problem? I've been to both to a mix gender public school and a single gender charter school.....I had two was general acceptance of even the obviously gay, there may have been the occasional thinly vield effemanate joke but it was all good natured and we would crack on the macho dudes for being overly was surpriseingly tolerant and good natured....Then i went toa mix gender school...with all the mean sprited slurs,physical violence, hyper-territorial cliques and mostly misery save for boobage and the occasional hand job

women egg it they want to admit it or not

Posted by linus | April 1, 2008 12:10 PM

@28 - That's definitely true, but it's generally enforced much more brutally by men, who have more of a personal emotional stake in the status quo. That's been my experience, anyway. I got constant shit from my male peers simply for having a girly name (I'm male). Girls generally didn't care.

But I wince every time I see a mother tell her son to be a man and not cry or whatever.

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 12:14 PM

@12 - You're talking about them aren't you? Hence, they've done their jobs.

Posted by NaFun | April 1, 2008 12:17 PM

@32. It could be that the women egged it on, or it could be that in the presence of women, the men felt the need to be more manly and so enforced the stereotype amongst themselves more brutally.

Posted by Julie | April 1, 2008 12:23 PM

@32 I guess that's true. I was thinking more in terms of direct effect, but women sometimes do a lot indirectly to encourage it.

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 12:23 PM

Well, especially on 4/1/08 ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | April 1, 2008 12:24 PM
To a large segment of the population, "fat and bald" is the very essence of manliness.

I suppose the bald and fat segment *is* quite large. Baldness is out of one's control, of course, but getting fat is pretty much a sign that you're getting soft and lazy, ie not manly. Don't these people watch Battlestar Galactica?

Posted by w7ngman | April 1, 2008 12:25 PM

@32 Yeah, I think that's definitely the case.

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 12:25 PM

@34 Yeah, I think that's definitely the case.

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 12:26 PM

Is there an echo in here?

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 12:28 PM

I don't think this is about sexism as much as it's about the sorry, pathetic state of journalism in this country--particular when it comes to television journalism. The fact that anyone listens to these clowns when they huddle together and jabber to each other about complete bullshit saddens me.

Thank God for the internet...if only we could get those poor dumb saps in Park Slope, Appalacian Pennsylvania and Kentucky to use it once in a while.

Posted by Matthew | April 1, 2008 12:29 PM

Just the beginning. As he gets closer to the front, emasculation is going to be the tactic of choice because he is thin, and speaks extremely well.

The media is filled with chubby, insecure men, and that will be the bar for masculine for the time being.

Posted by Dougsf | April 1, 2008 12:32 PM

@42 It's sad when the quality of commentary in a medium is unfavorably compared to that on the Internet.

Posted by Morgan | April 1, 2008 12:32 PM

I guess your right julie, although I had more then my share of shit flung at me I insulted and pushed around those few lower on the totem pole then I , the flamers, the physicaly deformned and the mentaly retarded...and what did it get me besides a cold empty feeling inside? hand jobs

I learned in highschoolt that the meaner,nastyer and agreesever you are and the more people you abuse the more sex you get

Posted by linus | April 1, 2008 12:54 PM

I'm 44 and have bowled about 50 games in my life. Only twice have I ever broke 100. But Barak should have rolled a few games in private before bowling in front of the press.

Reagan drinking beer out of a mug? Mugs are for pussies. Real men drink out of bottles and cans.

Posted by elswinger | April 1, 2008 12:55 PM

Oh please, linus, it's obvious that you never get laid.

Posted by keshmeshi | April 1, 2008 1:22 PM

not in highschool at least

Posted by linus | April 1, 2008 2:15 PM

It always amazes me that Matthews and Scarborough actually get paid for their scintillating insights.

Posted by J.R. Labrador | April 1, 2008 2:32 PM


So, in other words, everything you wrote in comment #45 was a complete fabrication. Color me shocked.

Posted by keshmeshi | April 1, 2008 2:55 PM

@24 - you nailed it.

Posted by some dude | April 1, 2008 4:35 PM

Is this really sexism, or is it homophobia? It strikes me that being a "girl" (effeminate), is only the worst thing if you are a man. Isn't calling a woman "mannish" also a bad thing? But it's not that being a "man" is an insult-- unless you're a woman. I think this is really a coded homophobic insult. They're playing on the stereotypes of a girlish man or a mannish woman as being gay. So they're not actually calling him a "girl" or implying that being a woman is a bad thing, they're basically calling him faggy. Not that that makes it any better, obviously.

Posted by Mr Me | April 1, 2008 5:02 PM

i meant "yeah,in highschool at least" but was distracted while typeing

Posted by linus | April 1, 2008 6:05 PM

Right, because

A. anyone who's NOT a bowler normally is going to do great in front of hundreds of people watching.

B. a score of 200 doesn't make you a decent bowler, it' makes you a fucking kick ass bowler. In order to get 200 you basically have to get a strike or a spare every frame. I challange Matthews or Scarborough to see what they get. I bet they don't break 100.

C. I'd also like to see Matthews or Scarborough go one on one with Obama on the court and see who the man is.

Fucktards! Sure, no woman, no black man... let's elect the guy who couldn't even escape from a war prison. What a pussy.

Posted by monkey | April 2, 2008 7:58 AM

it is sexist to say a man or woman has to act a certain way, and to hold it against them if they do not.

Posted by infrequent | April 2, 2008 10:33 AM

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