Slog - Comments on We Aren't the Only Ones Fed Up with No-Knock Raids http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno I was ranting about them last week and Dan de-glorified them this morning. Now the Georgia Supreme Court is on the case. Georgia's top court is considering a case brought by two murder suspects who argue they shouldn't face the death penalty because they didn't know the intruder they shot and killed was a police officer using a special warrant. The Georgia Supreme Court's ruling could change the way police use special warrants - known as "no knock warrants" - that are intended to prevent suspects from getting rid of evidence and to protect officers from potentially violent suspects. It... Copyright 2008 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:49:41 -0800 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:12:41 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe ...as the cops say, "so much for the good 'ol days."

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999086 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999086 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:04:55 -0800 Comment by oljb I would say innocent civilians dying senseless deaths is worse than cops dying senseless deaths. After all, they signed up for it. The unwitting victim of an incorrect-address no-knock raid did not.

]]> oljb http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999111 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999111 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:22:21 -0800 Comment by meks Seems you have the order messed up... The court PRECEDED ya'll in this.

]]> meks http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999113 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999113 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:23:28 -0800 Comment by 8blockwalk I hate to point out the obvious here, but most people shot by police are shot before proven guilty.

We don't shoot guilty people in this country. We hang them, inject them or electrocute them.

]]> 8blockwalk http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999140 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999140 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:33:58 -0800 Comment by ams I was tackled by undercover cops while walking at night through a park (they thought they smelled marijuana, and decided to run and tackle me from behind just in case). I fought like hell, as I thought I was being raped/mugged. They didn't like that very much and threw me in jail for the night. Why the hell to cops expect to be treated with the respect and deference cops "deserve" when they are not identifiable as cops? WHAT IDIOTS.

]]> ams http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999142 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999142 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:34:33 -0800 Comment by AK Rob In some states we have nifty castle laws that make it ok to shoot first and ask questions later. What happens if the cops bust down your door and you blast 'em? Assuming you don't get killed, aren't you within the law killing a cop for busting into your house?

]]> AK Rob http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999147 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999147 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:37:24 -0800 Comment by JR Ewing of Seattle so obvious here, drugs or no drugs barge into someone's house in the middle of the night and you are liable to get shot.

]]> JR Ewing of Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999219 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999219 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:29:28 -0800 Comment by Notecarder It seems unlikely if these men were "nonviolent" they wouldn't have a gun readily available to use as soon as someone came pouring through the door.

The Death Penalty is extreme, for sure, but those raids happen so fast, the gun was probably right on the table. Unfortunately, violence is often associated with the drug trade because it is unregulated.

]]> Notecarder http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999234 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999234 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:39:14 -0800 Comment by infrequent @6 well, then you have the problem of whether or not they identified themselves as police. often there is dispute over this issue. but in a no-knock, how could that even happen?

@8 there was recently a case where a guy was robbed, bought a gun, and then a neighbor reported his japanese maple as a pot plant. the police came bursting in, and he shot and killed one of them. he's on trial for murder now.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2008/feb/04/a_cop_is_dead_because_an_informa

http://www.globalvillageidiots.com/2008/03/20/japanese-maple-or-marijuana-youre-dead-if-you-cant-tell-the-difference/

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999256 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999256 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:00:46 -0800 Comment by Dominic Holden Call it an unfair generalization, @8, but I don't get the impression that folks in South who have guns on hand are a slim minority of the population. Just having a gun doesn't constitute a violent offense.

]]> Dominic Holden http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999259 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999259 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:02:18 -0800 Comment by Smade It seems so simple. Which is the less desirable outcome: a shootout resulting in serious injury or death or a suspected drug user or dealer flushing some evidence down the toilet? What is it about cops that they can't figure out the right answer to that one?

]]> Smade http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999313 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999313 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:00:53 -0800 Comment by Matthew "There may be a time and place for no-knock raids, but suspected nonviolent drug-law violations shouldn’t make the cut."

The fact that anyone, anywhere has any doubt about this statement is appalling.

]]> Matthew http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999324 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/were_not_the_only_ones_fed_up_with_nokno#c999324 Drugs Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:12:41 -0800