Does Cokie still collect all those huge speaking fees from the tobacco companies?
Cokie Roberts is such a whore. Sorry, but I can't think of a more polite way to discuss her.
The Nation - that should shift a lot of Pierce County rural voters.
Ha! Everybody in this country NEEDS OIL worse than a junkie need his smack. Our entire lifestyle depends on it. If the US pulls out, and oil production drops, or Iran takes control of Iraq's reserves, I guarantee we'll be back inside loooong before Seattle sees separated grade mass transit.
Oh, bullshit, Westside. We can get all the oil we need the old-fashioned way, by BUYING it. Even the fearsome Iranis sell the stuff on the open market just like everyone else. And Iraqi oil? We could have had all we wanted, at much less cost than today, if we'd left the country alone. As it is, our war has almost destroyed Iraqi production; they're just now getting back to pre-war production levels.
And the best and cheapest way to increase our supply of the stuff is conservation. USE LESS. We could cut 10% off our usage without even hardly noticing with just a few tweaks.
Oh, and Cokie Roberts is a fucking toilet.
@5 Everything you say would be true, if only we hadn't gone in. Now that we have, we're truly well fucked--and stuck with the problem for the next several decades at least. If we're still in Japan and Germany for global strategy reasons, you can be damned sure we're going to be in Iraq for many, many years to come.
@ Westside - The US reduced Iraqi oil production to 5% of capacity following the invasion. In other words if we pull out the price will no longer be artificially high and our gas prices should decrease. Just sayin'...
anyone who calls themselves cokie, instead of the more appropriate cookie is nothing more than a vapid poser.
"In other words if we pull out the price will no longer be artificially high and our gas prices should decrease"
Cokie Roberts is such a republican shill. I temporarily turn the sound off when she starts her commentary in the morning on NPR. Then again, NPR in general has turned into a soft core republican propaganda machine.
No one loves Jeanne Kirkpatrick.
When is there going to be some disclosure of who is putting money in the pockets of these commentator monkeys? I love her angry dismissal, is she channelling Cheney or a lobbyist from KBR? She's acting like she knows better what's going on on the ground in Iraq, but considering Basra and the bombings in the green zone, I don't think she has a clue what she's refusing to actually talk about.
"A Responsible Plan to End the War in Iraq"
Wow. With that kind of punchy branding, I can't imagine how Burner could possibly not win this time. Is she going to try to use her cred as a military brat again?
Cokie Roberts is a neocon-loving conspirator.
Sorry, had to be said.
I love her voice, but she is NOT to be trusted.
And Fnarf @5 is correct - once we leave Iraq and Iran we can still buy their oil, since it's sold by multinationals ... it's all about the permanent military bases and the insistence on /c/o/a/l/oil as the supply. The Brits never adapted - will we? Remember, the oil shales of Pennsylvania were developed while we were stuck on whale oil.
Time to move on and develop our massive wind, solar, tidal, and geothermal resources, as well as (wait for it, this will shock you) hydro.
Westside forever is right Fnarf is WAY off base. America DID NOT infact do it the old fashioned way, Bush invaded Iraq, unless you consider invasions to steal resources old fashioned, come to think of it it is an old hetero-male style of doing business. America is not the only country buying oil and our dollar is becoming less and less the monetary exchange item. You would like to think Americans will conserve oil, they don't, they won't. You think other countries can't and won't embargo America? Of course your crystal ball is as good as mine, but I don't for one second think America is immune to being sanctioned by countries that don't care for America. We'll still have the Saudi's oil flowing our way, but prices for gas are never ever ever going to be $2 a gallon again.
"And the best and cheapest way to increase our supply of the stuff is conservation. USE LESS. We could cut 10% off our usage without even hardly noticing with just a few tweaks."
Fnarf dear, don't you remember? Conservation is nothing more than a personal virtue. Vice-President Dick told us so, way back in May of 2001. Of course, 9-11 changed everything. Except for that.
Conservation will do absolutely no good at all. It will probably make everything just that much worse. It has been known to lead to loss of erection and explosive bowel movements. Also, it makes Jesus' feet hurt something awful, and you don't want to get on his bad side.
Some of that may be true - up to a point. But, even with emerging oil markets to take the place of U.S. consumption should any of the foreign oil-producers decide to go down the sanction route, the countries that currently hold massive amounts of our national debt (e.g. China) aren't going to tolerate any shenanigans that might put our economy further in jeopardy, and would immediately intervene on our behalf.
The fact that we're in debt to the extent we are actually works in our favor, since it means the countries holding our IOU's can't afford to have our economy go down the toilet without risking significant, if not in fact catastrophic damage to their own.
To paraphrase the old adage: "If you owe the bank $1,000 that's your problem; if you owe them $1 trillion, it's the bank's problem."
Sargon, I agree, oil will never be dirt-cheap again. Nor should it be. But it'll be a LOT cheaper if we just buy it on the market instead of paying, what is it, $350 million PER DAY to run this war, on top of whatever we pay for the oil itself, which comes from elsewhere. That's $350 million we don't have, mind you; $350 million that is destroying the dollar and ruining not just our economy but everyone else's as well.
That difference won't show up at the pump, but who the hell cares? It'll show up in the AVOIDANCE OF GLOBAL DEPRESSION and the loss of American sovereignty.
There is absolutely nothing to hold Iraq together once we pull out. It was never a real country anyway. Maybe it would have been better with Saddam in charge but he's no longer there now. And leaving the place now would destabilize the entire region. Do people here really think that once we leave, people will say "Hooray, they're gone! Now we can live in PEACE."? Please.
I say we stay put if that is what it takes to prevent destabilizing the Middle East region. The last thing we need on top of all this other bullshit we're trying to figure out is for that region to become unstable.
@20, they're looking for "a few good men." Are you willing to volunteer to help us "stay put?" That's the problem with the volunteer army and this war; as long as it's the other poor schlub doing the surging, the war is too abstract for americans to appreciate the consequences for our army and our treasury.
If we had a draft, this war would be over the day after it was declared.
Why am I flashing on standing in some shithole dive biker bar with some crappy cover band firing into the beginning chords of Should I Stay or Should I Go? and all around me are only chickenshit yellow elephants who won't enlist and man, I'm so not dancing.
Cokie Roberts is the grand poobah of clueless beltway talking heads. She hasn't been in touch with reality since... well, it's been longer than I've been paying attention.
My dream for the perfect combination of reality tv, the internet and opinion "news" is a gong-show style program that lets the citizenry of america hook those gasbags off their shows. Cokie would be one of the first to go.
I'm sorry, but when I saw that headline, all I could think was, "What? Like they're gonna build a bunch of giant art installations in the desert outside of Tikrit or something? That's gonna do the job?"
"The Burner Plan to End the Iraq War"
Personally, I was hoping that there was some sort of international peace initiative spearheaded by Burning Man enthusiasts.
cokie's best line: "americans would prefer to win" uh, yeah, we would also prefer $1.50 gal. gas, be forever young and beautiful and never die. so what's your point, cokie, you clueless dinosaur?
Let's not forget that Cokie is a silver spoon girl, who's never met a non-white in a non-servitude position. Her parents were DC insiders, and she just grew up in the cocktail party world. The best analogy would be one of those 18th century French aristocrats who were totally shocked when the revolution hit their estate and slaughtered their families.
That revolution against the American blue-bloods is coming, and the current war may be a catalyst in showing us the reality of "haves" vs. "have nots". The ruling classes can only live on the sweat/blood of the working classes for so long....
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