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Now this is what - or what should - bring politicians down: not an isolated verbal gaffe but a consistent record of misleading statements, opportunism, and inflation of her own record that people see in Clinton. This is why there was an "anybody but Clinton" movement. If there's a politician in this race whose campaign floats on words, it's hers.

Clinton holdouts, please take a long hard look on what your candidate really offers, and her track record of saying what it takes to get into office, then failing to deliver once she's there.

Posted by David | April 18, 2008 9:38 AM
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Clinton = Bush III, only difference is that Hillary does not look like a total idiot when she lies.

And I will not even get into how Bill hangs out with George Sr.......

Posted by Andrew | April 18, 2008 9:40 AM
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This may not be the place, but who was the woman in Texas who wonders why Obama does not wear a flag brooch? And who planted her?

This bit of shabby journalistic chicanery proves that a huge number of US citizens should NOT be encouraged to vote.

And how odd for Hillary to be grilled by her husband's former employee without whom - well, who knows?

Posted by RHETT ORACLE | April 18, 2008 9:59 AM
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You could make this video of any politican who has been around any length of time.

(Hillary was pretty hot back in the early days)

Posted by Blah blah blah | April 18, 2008 10:07 AM
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Is it just me or does young Hillary look a lot like Maggie Simpson's evil, thick eyebrowed rival?

Posted by heywhatsit | April 18, 2008 10:07 AM
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You know, that broad's question was "Do you believe in the flag?"

Maybe she wasn't talking about dress up accessories for chickenhawks. She was trying to test whether or not Obama is The One. Can he transcend this "reality" and realize there is no spoon, there is no flag, there is no vast throng of zombie morons out to drive us to despair with their pig ignorance.

Posted by elenchos | April 18, 2008 10:10 AM
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@6 - I disagree - Texas woman wants to see the pin - because whoever wears the pin MUST BELIEVE in the flag - otherwise he/she wouldn't be wearing it. So that is pig ignorance.

And if he'd given her an acceptable answer, do you actually think she'd switch her vote? He can prove nothing to her. Like if Hillary actually stopped lying, would you vote for her? (rhet.)

See Gary Trudeau's take on the flag pin.

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20080413

Posted by RHETT ORACLE | April 18, 2008 10:23 AM
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President Obama.

Please, America, please.

Do the right thing.

Posted by Betsy Ross | April 18, 2008 10:23 AM
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Although the pin question was completely stupid, I seem to remember the woman saying "I'm not questioning your patriotism, I just want to know the reasoning" or something like that.

Personally, I had hope he would have said something about not liking to make the American flag just another trademark symbol like the Nike swoosh or the Golden Arches. My blue collar veteran-heavy family would wear flag pins and put out the flag on July 4th, Memorial Day, Dec. 7th, 9-11, Veterans' Day, etc so it actually had some punch and poignancy.

Posted by Jason | April 18, 2008 10:24 AM
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Ugh. Yeah... and that makes McCain better for us? Fuuuuuuck that idiocy. Hyperbole and verbal missteps aren't what should take down a good candidate—core fucking values should play a much bigger part. Who's better for gay people? Who's better for poor people? Who's better for the uninsured? Who's better for students?

No fucking contest. These kinds of stunts only work on mushy-minded emotional voters.

Posted by Carollani | April 18, 2008 10:24 AM
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Yeah, I'm talking to you. Hillary is the same as George Bush?! Are you fucking retarded? (That's a rhetorical question... I already know the answer.)

Posted by Carollani | April 18, 2008 10:26 AM
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I've always got the sense that Hillary appealled more to "emotional voters" than Obama does. Her supporters always seem to say "she's tough", "she won't quit", "she's been through it all" with this fervor like they themselves are being tested. I get the sense they identify with her in this personal way that's something I don't have with Obama (although I am an Obama supporter).

Posted by Jason | April 18, 2008 10:29 AM
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Posted by Andy Niable | April 18, 2008 10:31 AM
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"Your Republican mind tricks will not work on me."

Posted by Greg | April 18, 2008 10:31 AM
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@3 the flag lapel woman is named Nash McCabe and she's been making the rounds in PA press as an anti-obama voter.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/189807.php

the theory is that they brought her in, the only citizen in the debate to ask a question, to allow steph and gibson the luxury of at least not sinking quite *that* low.

Posted by brett | April 18, 2008 10:32 AM
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I don't know. Maybe a Democratic party united against McCain could push through more good legislation than a party in chaos, split by Hillary's backstabbing and manipulation of interest groups against each other.

Posted by elenchos | April 18, 2008 10:33 AM
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Uh... maybe you don't have that feeling about Obama because he's only been working for 3 years. THREEEEEEEE YEARS! You want him to run our nation on three years of experience "bringing people together?" I think he's a great man, a great inspiration, a great person to bring us all together, but I don't think he knows what the hell he's in for. I think if he becomes the VP it will season him so that he's ready to be President the next time the chance comes up.

Posted by Carollani | April 18, 2008 10:43 AM
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that's 12 years, carollani (yes, state legislature counts as political experience). that's 4 more than clinton.

Posted by brandon | April 18, 2008 10:53 AM
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Wait, you forgot all those years of experience as president's wife and governor's wife!!

Posted by AmyK | April 18, 2008 10:55 AM
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@17- Obama's got a hell of a lot more than 3 years under his belt. His resume recap:

7 years in the Illinois state senate for Chicago's South Side
President of Harvard Law Review
Senior lecturer at University of Chicago

um, hardly green - in fact, his relative lack of time in D.C. is something to be proud of, and a reason to expect he won't be as tainted by the long-term special interests that inevitably grow on more "seasoned" politicians like so many barnacles.

Posted by David | April 18, 2008 10:56 AM
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Snaps to the video @13.

Obama! Obama! Obama!

Posted by Apollo | April 18, 2008 11:05 AM
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Hillary would be worse than McCain in a few respects.

Sure, the first two years would be good to okay. She'll have trouble getting stuff done because she had no coattails and didn't build the party at all. But on a whole it'll be an improvement, much the same way her husband's first two years were good. (Nafta excepted)

But then, after the party gets throttled in the mid-terms, Hillary will be focused solely on her own poltical survival and the party will get thrown under the bus by its own President... AGAIN.

Her re-election campaign won't even pretend to help downticket candidates... Just like in 1996. If she wins, we get four more years of DLC triangulation. If she loses, we get President Huckabee.

On the other hand, if McCain wins, he lasts only one term(due to age or suckiness) and one way or another we end up with President Obama.

If Hillary manages to get the nomination, the choice is six years of Republican-style rule if she wins or four years if she loses.

So objectively, a McCain presidency would be slightly better than a Hillary one because there'd at least be a light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by ru shur | April 18, 2008 11:06 AM
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zzzzzzzzzzzz"A study released by the RAND Corporation reports that 300,000 U.S. troops deal with depression or post traumatic stress disorder and 320,000 suffered brain injuries stemming from their service in Iraq and Afghanistan."zzzzzzzzzz

Now, after that brief unauthorized pause, a return to entertainment by the savage warmongers at The Stranger.

Posted by Dan the savage warmonger | April 18, 2008 11:09 AM
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I'ld venture to say Obama has learned a lot more things that will benefit the country by being Michelle's husband than Clinton learned being Bill's wife.

Posted by Mike in Iowa | April 18, 2008 11:16 AM
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#22: I kind of agree in some ways, although if McCain wins I really don't think Justice John Paul Stevens can hold on another four years.

Posted by Jason | April 18, 2008 11:17 AM
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@25,

Ginsberg also can't hold out that long.

Posted by keshmeshi | April 18, 2008 11:23 AM
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she would not. be. worse. than. mccain.

Posted by brandon | April 18, 2008 11:45 AM
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So, has she actually lost her Arkansas accent in the last 16 years, or was she faking it back then? Except for one recent clip where she was deliberately affecting an accent, there's barely a hint of a regional accent anymore, and it was pretty thick when Clinton was first running for president.

I think I liked Arkansas Hillary more than the current model, though she looks better now (IMO).

Posted by Cascadian | April 18, 2008 1:10 PM
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She's so full of shit. I can't wait to see her crash and burn.

Posted by Jennifer in Chicago | April 18, 2008 2:44 PM

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