Slog - Comments on Repairing It to Death http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death So... the expensive repairs we're making to the Viaduct are causing more "settling"--and "settling," of course, is the polite way of saying, "slow-motion collapse." Here's hoping that when the Viaduct finally does collapse that only local politicians and pit bulls are on or under it.... Copyright 2008 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:54:41 -0800 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:59:03 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty That would be nice, but -sadly - it would most likely just kill a bunch of homeless people.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998688 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998688 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:59:24 -0800 Comment by Greg We could do a lot to help the Viaduct by replacing the seawall - if the Army Corps of Engineers ever get around to starting work. Their web site apparently hasn't been updated since 2006.

]]> Greg http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998785 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998785 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:48:54 -0800 Comment by jackseattle Thank you Dan.

Throwing good money after bad, truly.

One of those "The emperor has no clothes" moments.

The irony isn't so satisfying when it's public money or putting people's lives at risk

]]> jackseattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998788 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998788 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:50:36 -0800 Comment by Fnarf The article says the exact opposite of what Dan got out of it. The viaduct is only settling in one small place, because it's built on piles that go to bedrock. That one place is being shored up, which is causing another 1/8 inch subsidence, which will stop when they leave. It's not collapsing by any conceivable stretch of the imagination.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998797 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998797 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:56:53 -0800 Comment by Yinka shouldn't straight parents be under there too?

]]> Yinka http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998811 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998811 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:07:13 -0800 Comment by w7ngman “settling,” of course, is the polite way of saying, “slow-motion collapse.”

Got a cite for that? Or maybe you're a structural engineer, now? It settled "up to 1/8 of an inch". Wow. Collapse is imminent!

All buildings "settle". Especially those built over water.

]]> w7ngman http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998836 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998836 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:27:38 -0800 Comment by Gomez They can't close it without gridlocking all of West Seattle.

And no, there are not enough buses to offset the loss.

And preemptively STFU about how this would've have happened if we had built the Green Line. No.

]]> Gomez http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998940 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998940 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:31:05 -0800 Comment by Mr. X @7,

...and gridlocking downtown (where exactly do they think those buses would run? That's right - on already gridlocked streets).

Heaven forbid reality should intrude on Dan and ECB's faith-based transportation planning.

]]> Mr. X http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998975 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c998975 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:47:32 -0800 Comment by max solomon @6: i remember SDOT/WSDOT releasing a maximum amount that section could settle before it was all over. it WAS settling about 1/2"/year. i think that additional 1/8" brought it within 1" of the max.

too bad.

and the correct answer is: when it collapses, it will kill TOURISTS, including many small children.

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999089 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999089 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:05:22 -0800 Comment by Mr. X @9,

Not correct - they said if it had subsided 6" they would have to do more expensive repairs than the project currently underway. There was no indication that settlement beyond that amount was going to result in closure.


]]> Mr. X http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999282 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999282 City Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:26:56 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Don't worry.

More people than that will die when Rainier goes. Just counting the surviving burn victims from the stochastic mud flows.

Not joking - it's the truth.

Relax about the Viaduct - it's small potatoes.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999493 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999493 City Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:37:52 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle oh, and @7 - that's why we need to literally DOUBLE all transit with 4 blocks of the Viaduct ... now.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999495 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c999495 City Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:40:34 -0800 Comment by Alex-jon @6: Concrete isn't as flexible as you think: the fact that the settling is focused in one place lends itself to the likelihood that some time in the future, we'll see just how inflexible this structure can be.

In fact, concrete is one of the few materials on earth that we as humans use with regularity that can experience what can be considered a "catastrophic" failure focused entirely on its presence.

]]> Alex-jon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c1000405 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/repairing_it_to_death#c1000405 City Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:59:03 -0800