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<title>Slog - Comments on On Stupid Fucking Credulous Hacks Mike Carter and Paul Shukovsky</title>
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<description>Some folks in the comments thread on Dom&apos;s post yesterday about those stupid fucking credulous hacks at the Seattle Times and PI—Mike Carter and Paul Shukovsky—admonished me for being mean to those stupid fucking credulous hacks Carter and Shukovsky. If we want to have an impact on the way stupid fucking credulous hacks like Carter and Shukovsky report about the War on Drugs and grow-op busts—they currently report with their tongues lodged in the asses of whatever DEA spokesperson appears before them—we should be nice and respectful and polite. &quot;You&apos;ll catch more stupid fucking flies with stupid fucking honey blah...</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:31:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>So why did you have Dominic edit his title, but you didn't edit either of yours?</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006447</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:46:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jeff</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Slow news day on the hill huh?</p>]]></description>
<author>Jeff</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006450</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006450</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:47:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Or, what I actually want to ask, how was Dominic's initial title any worse than yours? In fact, it wasn't half as bad.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006451</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006451</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:49:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The Drug War is as bad a waste of American patriots' tax dollars as the Iraq War is.</p>

<p>But it still won't get that 14 acres of prime downtown Seattle real estate between Denny Park and the Ban Roll On building developed - cause the developers pulled the plug today (front page major article in the Wall Street Journal, spills to a full page in the A section).</p>

<p>Which means no building along the streetcar route for most of it's length after Denny and no big increase in streetcar ridership.</p>

<p>Shutting down the grow ops just cuts the cash flow for big building investments ...</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006465</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006465</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:01:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Don't ignore me, bitch. Why do <i>Stranger</i>  staffers only reply when they're sure their answer is legitimate and/or irrefutable in terms of reason?</p>

<p>What's good for you is good for your staff.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006478</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006478</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:15:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dan Savage</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Poe, darling, I posted this and then when to lunch. Despite appearances, we don't have our laptops strapped to our faces. Not yet. And sometimes Stranger staffers stay out of comments threads because we have other work to do.</p>

<p>As for Dom's header v. my header: I thought Dom's header seemed much angrier the post it appeared on top of, so I asked him to change it. It didn't work. My header is right in line with the tone of my post. It works.</p>

<p>Thank you for playing Slog.</p>]]></description>
<author>Dan Savage</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006499</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006499</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:25:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I guess that makes sense. I figured you were ignoring me because you <i>have</i>  been up the comments ass on this topic lately. Constantly responding, to everyone, immediately. I need to be punished.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006517</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006517</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:28:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by James</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Dude, chill.</p>]]></description>
<author>James</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006523</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006523</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:28:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dr_Awesome</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Emailed the editor at The Times, received his reply already:</p>

<p>I'm sharing your e-mail with the folks involved in the coverage and with<br />
other decision-makers here. Take care. -- Leon Espinoza, executive news<br />
editor </p>

<p><br />
-----Original Message-----<br />
From: ____ _ [mailto:______@______] <br />
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:07 PM<br />
To: Leon Espinoza<br />
Subject: Question of fairness</p>

<p><br />
Good afternoon, Mr. Espinoza.</p>

<p><br />
I've been reading the continuing coverage over on The Stranger's Slog<br />
regarding the recent pot bust article in The Seattle Times.  I have to<br />
say that The Stranger's staff raises some good questions about<br />
objectivity, and about The Seattle Times' willingness to cover both<br />
sides of the issue or not.</p>

<p><br />
More specifically, they asked:<br />
Do such raids work? Are they cost effective? Are they unnecessarily<br />
dangerous, either to the police or the suspects? Do they actually reduce<br />
the amount of pot on the streets? Do they make us any safer? Would<br />
simply legalizing it make us safer? Does filling our prisons with<br />
everyone involved in pot growing or smoking help or harm society in any<br />
measurable way?</p>

<p><br />
Will The Seattle Times be looking into these questions, and writing any<br />
articles to address them?</p>

<p><br />
Thank you,</p>

<p><br />
_____ _____<br />
Snohomish, WA<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>Dr_Awesome</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006526</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006526</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:29:21 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PopTart</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Meany McMeanPants said @6<br />
"Despite appearances, we don't have our laptops strapped to our faces. Not yet. And sometimes Stranger staffers stay out of comments threads because we have other work to do."</p>

<p>Ah, dammit, way to crush my beliefs in the omniscience of the Stranger writers. I thought you guys were hardwired into Slog 24/7. Other work to do? Besides read us bitching? What a letdown.</p>]]></description>
<author>PopTart</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006616</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006616</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:48:15 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's most likely a lie, PopTart. A convinient one, as we have no way to prove it wrong. But I wuvz Dan too much to not shut up and smile. I still need to be punished, though. Hint.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006657</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006657</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:57:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>*convenient. FUCK! FUUUUCK!!!</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006658</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006658</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:58:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Original Andrew</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p></p>

<p>There's a bigger issue here, namely the establishment media's absolute failure in their entire raison d'être which (presumably) is informing the public.</p>

<p></p>

<p>We have more access to information than any other era in human history, yet Americans are even more ignorant, misinformed, and just downright stupid than ever.</p>

<p></p>

<p>There are no facts anymore in loo-loo Mainstream Media Land, only opinions and government press releases. Open lies--hello weapons of mass destruction--are published as without question. Remember that one White House correspondent who said she couldn't ask Bush about his lies since she was intimidated by the Office of the President? She's STILL a political correspondent!! (Of course).</p>

<p></p>

<p>FSM help me, I don't want to sound like one of those looney tunes commenters on Alternet or HuffPo, but for fuck's sake, how can people stand this <i>Pravda</i>-esque bullshit?</p>

<p></p>

<p>It's no wonder politicians treat the media and the public with such open contempt.</p>]]></description>
<author>Original Andrew</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006671</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:02:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by six shooter</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>So, Dan... were either of them at the benefit last night? Did they talk with you? Are there comments off-the-record?</p>

<p>When can we start mailing them something?</p>]]></description>
<author>six shooter</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006734</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006734</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:25:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PopTart</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@11, and what, Mr. Poe, would be an adequate punishment for you? Would it involve a muppet costume?</p>

<p>Nah, I think anything Dan would dish out you'd like way too much. Unless it was taping your eyelids open and being forced to read ECB's posts while simultaneously listening to her read them. That might do it.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>PopTart</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006756</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006756</guid>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:31:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dan Savage</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>They weren't there—or, if they were, no one had the nerve to introduce us.</p>]]></description>
<author>Dan Savage</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006783</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006783</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:38:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@16</p>

<p>...that would have been awkward, anyway. Mike would have been cool about it. The other guy (whatever his name is shukubanakakaru) would have been a total douche.</p>

<p>@15</p>

<p>I love ECB's posts.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006807</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006807</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:44:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by wisepunk</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>A fitting punishment for Mr. Poe, You are now ordered to be a judge for the KISW Rock Girls 2008 contest.</p>

<p>I mean if you want punishment, we will give you punishment you won't like.</p>]]></description>
<author>wisepunk</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006855</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006855</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:54:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Vince</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Isn't it obvious by now? The institution of government pays huge numbers of people, huge amounts of dollars to do the same worthless, even harmful things over and over. It is self sustaining, self lobbying public relations jack. They are never going to give up their addiction to anti-drug money no matter how harmful it, and they, may be. And as long as we support the never ending growing field of incarcerations and billions of dollars for more and more prisons it shall always be. Now isn't it better to be a lap dog? It's so much more comfortable.</p>]]></description>
<author>Vince</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006863</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006863</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:01:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PopTart</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@17 Oh, sorry, my bad. Now I have to be punished. </p>]]></description>
<author>PopTart</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006874</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006874</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:04:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Punishment for everyone! Where's the rope?!</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006931</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1006931</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:22:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Brit</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@19: i am the editor of RESIST! which is an independent literery magazine at Highline High School and we would like to publish your thoughts pleaes email me at gunsofbrixxxton93@ a i m .com thx!</p>]]></description>
<author>Brit</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007071</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007071</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:25:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ballroom Blitz</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>If you and Carter ever duked it out, I'd put my money on Carter - Muddafugga's and looks like a roadie for Motorhead. </p>]]></description>
<author>Ballroom Blitz</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007163</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007163</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:26:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by insider</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You do all realize the Times just laid off 200 and the PI was *this* close to being closed altogether about a year ago, no? </p>

<p>Lazy reporting happens more often than good reporting because good reporting is more expensive -- much more expensive -- in terms of both time and money. Two things neither paper has much of right now.</p>

<p>What came first in the newspaper biz, the degenerating product or the degenerating business model? The degenerating product, actually, but now these papers are on a death spiral that's going to get worse before it gets better, so don't expect a big turnaround in depth of coverage on stories that are already conveniently covered in government press releases. </p>

<p>This all is a good opportunity for papers like the Stranger to pick up the slack and segue from their trademark snarky pee-pee bar-scene reporting to more useful reporting, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Or maybe the big, heavily researched Stranger cover story on the effects of the drug war is in production now. Looking forward to it. </p>]]></description>
<author>insider</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007312</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007312</guid>
<category>Media</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:36:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ellarosa</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>24 has hit upon it:  time, money, resources.  they are sorely lacking in the news biz theze daze.  expect more of same.  blogs have taken over for in-depth reporting, it seems.  bloggers do it on their own time, reporters are on a deadline and a budget.</p>]]></description>
<author>ellarosa</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007519</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/nice_and_constructive#c1007519</guid>
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<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:23:58 -0800</pubDate>
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