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Tuesday, April 15, 2008

Monopolies Are Bad for Consumers: The Pizza Evidence

posted by on April 15 at 9:46 AM

All-Purpose Pizza in the South End makes OK pizza. Just OK. The crust is sort of cardboardy yet thick, and they tend to skimp on the toppings. It’s certainly not worth $35.

But that’s exactly what they charge to deliver a large pizza with “everything.” $35!!

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All-Purpose Pizza is, not coincidentally, the ONLY pizza shop (caveats: 1. besides Domino’s and 2. that I’m aware of) that delivers in the South End.

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Hello, Pagliacci? You’re missing a great opportunity here. Give these monopolists some competition!

Photo by Iirraa on Flickr.

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1

I think this is FUNNY!!! This is what you get when you support Hillary Clinton! Her hubby signed the Media Consolidation Act and now get ready for Pizza Consolidation!!! HA HA HA!!

Posted by Karma Bites you in the Ass | April 15, 2008 9:50 AM
2

Cue a 60 comment thread about who makes and or delivers the best pizza in Seattle.


on the back of a pitbull?

Posted by Non | April 15, 2008 9:50 AM
3

@2 No, no... the pitbull is a TOPPING.

Make note.

Posted by UNPAID BLOGGER | April 15, 2008 9:54 AM
4

Having pizza delivered is bad for the Earth. Can't you cook?

Posted by ecce homo | April 15, 2008 10:00 AM
5

Yeah, because Pagliacci is so cheap.

Posted by Mahtli69 | April 15, 2008 10:00 AM
6

Welcome to Seattle. Last night I paid over $20 for two run-of-the-mill burgers, two extremely small servings of fries, and a root beer.

This is not out of the ordinary, either. I did the same thing a couple weeks ago, sub fish and chips for one of the burgers.

Posted by w7ngman | April 15, 2008 10:03 AM
7

This is particularly obscene when you consider that the ingredients to make that pizza cost about 90¢.

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | April 15, 2008 10:05 AM
8

Did the artichoke and spinach drive up the price?

Posted by Dawgson | April 15, 2008 10:05 AM
9

Seven toppings is "everything"?

Posted by Fnarf | April 15, 2008 10:05 AM
10

Erica - A large pizza with seven toppings at Pagliacci would cost you $32.60. Your pizza cost $32.50. Someone has done their market research.

I wonder if All-Purpose and Pagliacci are owned by the same conglomerate?

Posted by Mahtli69 | April 15, 2008 10:08 AM
11

Pagli may not be cheap, but damn is their pizza good! Personally I'd rather take home a slightly cheaper pizza from the pizza place on post alley across from the icky americanized mexican place.

Posted by may not be cheap | April 15, 2008 10:08 AM
12

That's a ridiculous 7 toppings. Build your own pizza at Pagliacci, starting at $16.50 with 7 toppings at $2.30 each, and you get...$32.60 (plus tip).

If you don't like their pizza, fine. But would it be that hard to take 2 minutes, as I did, to do a fair comparison, rather than take a cheap shot (your specialty) at a local business?

(And no, I've never had All-Purpose Pizza, don't know the owners -- in fact, never even heard of the place before.)

(And we won't even talk about the damage done to the planet to feed the animals that died so you could gorge on salami, sausage and pepperoni.)

Posted by tomcat98109 | April 15, 2008 10:09 AM
13

This all has to do with the cost of wheat and gas. All food costs have risen.

Because the dollar is so wheat, everyone around he globe is buying our food here in Washington...good for farmers, but less food for you to buy - hence the prices go up.

Posted by Wheat people | April 15, 2008 10:10 AM
14

At least you are not on Beacon Hill - All Purpose won't even deliver there. We have Pizza Hut and, that's it Pizza Hut.

Posted by Poll Watcher | April 15, 2008 10:12 AM
15

why don't you walk to the store, buy the ingredients, and make a pizza yourself? that you would eat anything that was _driven_ to your abode is, frankly, shocking.

Posted by some dude | April 15, 2008 10:17 AM
16

Contact Dorene Centioli-McTigue, Pagliacci's owner. Her father founded a burger chain in SE Seattle years ago, but for some reason soured on our area, and they haven't been back since (except for commissary facilities). Yes, let's get a better pizza joint down here.

That said, Pizza Hut does deliver in SE Seattle, although it's only a tiny bit better than Dominoes, and not in Paglicci's league

Posted by Pizza Voter | April 15, 2008 10:19 AM
17

#7, exaggerate much?

Posted by w7ngman | April 15, 2008 10:20 AM
18

5280: "the ingredients to make that pizza cost about 90¢."

Um, have you studied the recent increase in food prices, particularly flour prices?

Posted by stinkbug | April 15, 2008 10:23 AM
19

Go to the Papa Murphy's on 23rd and Jackson. Only option.

Posted by Sara | April 15, 2008 10:24 AM
20

Again, facts and logic are Erica's sworn enemies. Do not expect them to be taken into consideration when she makes up her mind.

Posted by Jeff | April 15, 2008 10:32 AM
21

@14 No kidding! I can't figure out why either. Any pizza place that opened would own the territory and rake it in. We drop down the hill to Stellar or Tutta Bella; glad they're both there. Delivery would be a nice option. They must think Beacon Hill is all geriatric Asians.

Posted by South side | April 15, 2008 10:43 AM
22

But normal people don't order SEVEN add-on toppings; they order one of the many reasonably-priced combinations. Asking for seven toppings is insane.

The cost of the ingredients is not particularly germane to the price of the pizza, BTW. All-Purpose would be charging the same price if they got the ingredients for free.

Posted by Fnarf | April 15, 2008 10:59 AM
23

All Purpose Pizza won't be around long. They are only open from 4 PM to 9 PM, including weekends. Once I tried to eat there on a Thursday at about 6 pm, and they told me they were closed for a private party and wouldn't serve me. (No sign on the door to warn me, and the party hadn't started yet.)

Another time I ordered a pizza from there for pick up, and when I went to pick up the pizza, they didn't have it. Then they realized they had sent it out to be delivered. Then they made ANOTHER pizza while I waited. Then they charged a delivery tip to my credit card, even though I went to pick the pizza up in person.

None of the food is worth what they charge for it, and there are always more employees than customers in the restaurant.

I would love it if they would buck up and improve these problems, because I would love to have a good pizza place in my neighborhood that I could actually afford to eat at. Alas.

Posted by Northern Flicker | April 15, 2008 11:15 AM
24

Maybe part of that is some kind of ER tax (heart at-tax?) that they automatically add to 3-meat pizzas?

Posted by Levislade | April 15, 2008 11:28 AM
25

Hey Erica,

Did they factor things like this into that study about the cost of living in the 'burbs?

Posted by Mike of Renton | April 15, 2008 11:36 AM
26

What a whiner. I shouldn't be surprised by this post by ECB - typical. Here's a news flash: if you are not satisfied by your purchase from any particular vendor - don't buy from them again!

What an amazing concept. Imagine, the very idea that you have a choice of whether or not to buy a product. Gasp!

BTW, care to tell us how much you tipped the driver? What's that? You didn't tip the driver because you thought the pizza was too expensive? I'm shocked.

Posted by montex | April 15, 2008 11:55 AM
27

If you were getting this at Pag's, you should order it as a Brooklyn Bridge - olive and onion and + salami artichoke spinach.

A 17" bridge + 1 topping is 26.29 + tax.

Posted by brent | April 15, 2008 11:57 AM
28

Romio's > Pagliacci.

Posted by supergp | April 15, 2008 12:25 PM
29

Uh, for a large pizza with a ton of toppings from a local pizza place, that actually sounds about right.

Posted by Gomez | April 15, 2008 12:26 PM
30

Can't you just go to Tutabella or Stellar if you are on Beacon Hill.

Then, of course, there is Vince's in Rainier Beach. Order a margarita napolitano. Have them cook it without the cheese on it, then add the fresh mozarella when it comes out of the oven. Get some extra basil too. That's one of the better pies in the city. But I don't think they deliver.

Or as others have said. buy some dough at trader joe's or PCC and make your own pie.

The truth is that most pizza in Seattle is pretty mediocre, Pag's included. PDX has much better pizza (why I have no idea).

Posted by j-lon | April 15, 2008 12:28 PM
31

That said, to everyone who chest-thumps about living in the South End... this monopoly conundrum is one of the laundry list of drawbacks. It sucks to only have one option for pizza delivery.

Posted by Gomez | April 15, 2008 12:35 PM
32

How far south are you? Mad Pizza delivers south of I-90 (though I'm not sure how far), and we get freakin' Piecora's delivered to us in Judkins Park.

Posted by Courtney | April 15, 2008 12:35 PM
33

This can't be right. There's not an inch of the industrialized world that Pizza Hut won't deliver to. Seriously, call them, it's like renting a car - they take the calls at a national call center and submit your order to the nearest location. It's the future, in a bad way.

I'm not saying that's what you want, but someone's gotta put the heat on.

Posted by Dougsf | April 15, 2008 12:36 PM
34

No kidding! I was really bummed out when I moved south of I-90 and failed to get a pizza from Pagliacci's delivered to my house.

Posted by Carollani | April 15, 2008 12:36 PM
35

The funniest part of this thread is - that picture is of a slice of Costco pizza, no joke. Appears that they are just reselling Costco pizzas. Monopoly, maybe, but genius, yes.

Posted by wbrproductions | April 15, 2008 1:58 PM
36

@35: Pretty sure that's not the actual pizza; that's just a pretty picture taken from Flickr.

Posted by tomcat98109 | April 15, 2008 2:28 PM
37

As a pizza lovin' fatty, and a south end resident...we have:

All-Purpose
MAD Pizza
Piecora's
PizzaTime
Pizza Hut
Domino's

Aside from missing Pagliacci (which, I mean we really really could use - I'll agree) - I think the south-end is actually fairly covered in pizza options. Any of those top three choices will run you over $30 for a large pie with that many toppings delivered.

Posted by Tom C. | April 15, 2008 3:50 PM
38

IIRC, ECB lives around Rainier Beach, which is VERY far South, like almost-Renton south. That may be why she's not seeing the options that other South enders closer to town may have.

Posted by Gomez | April 15, 2008 3:58 PM
39

Salami, sausage AND pepperoni? I got IBS just READING that.

Jesus.

Posted by catnextdoor | April 15, 2008 4:03 PM
40

We call Pagliacci's periodically to find out if they deliver to Columbia City. She's right there are no good options for pizza "delivery."

Posted by bdun01 | April 15, 2008 6:57 PM
41

Speaking of pizza - you know that Romio's close to the paramount? A pizza delivery place situated there, sure, makes sense. But a pizza place with seating for like 30 people? Made no sense. Well I stopped in and had their roasted garlic pizza and it was fucking sweet. Is Romio's that good everywhere? I'd never had Romio's before

Posted by surprised | April 15, 2008 7:44 PM
42

Seward Park, Hillman and Columbia City have Paradize Pizza for delivery. I think it's better than AP. I'm not sure how far north they deliver. I do like AP's hummus platter. I think there's another place (some old Italian fixture) in Rainier Beach that also delivers. There needs to be more.

Posted by Deacon Seattle | April 15, 2008 8:31 PM
43

The price of flour has shot through the roof lately, and any business that uses flour as its main ingredient is having problems.

Posted by MarkyMark | April 15, 2008 8:56 PM
44

@39,

I'm more grossed out by the artichokes and spinach than the 3 meats - those are some WRONG vegetables for a pizza (black olives, tomatoes, or onions would be a much better fit). OTOH, at least there was no pineapple.

I spent $22 plus tip (and I even picked it up!) for a pepperoni/sausage/red onion/black olive pizza from A New York Pizza Place in Maple Leaf the other day, and while it really was pretty good, I still thought that was way too much. I just might have to invest in one of those home oven pizza stone gizmos or something...


Posted by Mr. X | April 15, 2008 11:23 PM

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