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<description>Editor &amp; Publisher nicely sums up tonight&apos;s abysmal debate, calling it &quot;perhaps the most embarrassing performance by the media in a major presidential debate in years.&quot; Agreed. The headline says it all: ABC Decides Top Issues Facing Americans Are Verbal Gaffes, Flag Pins and &apos;60s Radicals. On the bright side, apparently Charlie Gibson was booed on his way out of the auditorium....</description>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>And the winner is ... the Elites who run the MSM and distract you from the fact that over the last eight years you've LOST wealth for 98 percent of Americans while the ultra-rich INCREASED their wealth even faster!</p>

<p>Yaaay!</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000431</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:44:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I've gotten significantly richer under Bush, Will.   Somebody needs to write a book "What's the Matter with Seattle" and tell the us why people like me keep voting our values instead of our economic interest.</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000436</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:58:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PopTart</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@2 I'd read that book.</p>]]></description>
<author>PopTart</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000438</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:00:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Kerry</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Maybe some people got richer under Bush but a whole lot of people got deader.  Wealth isn't worth tens of thousands of lives and another generation of brinksmanship.</p>

<p>(Not to mention - unless your wealth is in base metals or Euros, you should keep a close eye on it.  Most other forms of wealth are evaporating rapidly right now).</p>]]></description>
<author>Kerry</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000455</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:38:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Will in Seattle</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There are very few areas in the US where home values continue to increase, one being our area here.</p>]]></description>
<author>Will in Seattle</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000458</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:47:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by falcon1</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Remember the hanging chads? Yeah, that cost thousands of lives.</p>]]></description>
<author>falcon1</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000459</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:49:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by tsm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>elenchos@2, Daniel Gross has been absorbed with this notion of <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2104840" rel="nofollow">Bushenfreude</a> - perhaps you are such a specimen.</p>]]></description>
<author>tsm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000460</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:49:55 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by toasterhedgehog</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@2 Wow, you're that your individual experience disproves the experience of hundreds of millions of people.  That's pretty silly.  Let me guess, you're one of the skeevy crooks cashing in on the ultimate pork barrel fiasco:  The patriot act.  So I guess you value lies, torture, stupidity, racism, sexism, and ignorance.  Those are some solid Republican values there.     </p>]]></description>
<author>toasterhedgehog</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000464</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:53:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elenchos</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@8</p>

<p>No, the only thing I truly value is reading comprehension.  I'll pay any tax for a government that will teach people like you to read.</p>]]></description>
<author>elenchos</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000466</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:56:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by toothtwo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Ouch!</p>]]></description>
<author>toothtwo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000471</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000471</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:19:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by superyeadon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>charles gibson love machine.</p>]]></description>
<author>superyeadon</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000476</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:33:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Big Sven</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's 'cause we've got motorcycles, e.  Jebus rewards us for having the stones to tame the iron horses.</p>]]></description>
<author>Big Sven</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000483</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:53:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Chris in Tampa</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm calling a moratorium on referring to Jesus as "Jebus". Please begin calling him "Jizzus", or some other variant that is at least slightly more clever than a decade old Simpsons' reference.</p>

<p>Thank you</p>]]></description>
<author>Chris in Tampa</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000490</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:01:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Chris in Tampa</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Will someone please forward this information to 4chan, Fark, and SomethingAwful, please?</p>

<p>I've got a lot of work to do killing age old pseudo-memes and don't have time to do grunt work.</p>]]></description>
<author>Chris in Tampa</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000491</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000491</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:03:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by idaho</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You know, it's one thing to "vote your values" when you have the money to do it. It's another thing entirely to starve all the way to the polls. People in both parties get rich.</p>]]></description>
<author>idaho</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000493</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000493</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:31:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by idaho</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>And btw, where do the Hollywood elite get off thinking they're all about the little man when they don't value the little man enough to make a little less so the popcorn don't cost so much?</p>]]></description>
<author>idaho</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000494</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000494</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:34:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ken</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It seemed like both candidates got screwed. Obama got nothing but tabloid questions. Clinton got less face time than the people in the commercials. He looked bad, and who the hell knows how she looked, all she needed to do was mail a cardboard cutout to this debate in which she would be treated like an irrelevant sideshow.</p>

<p>I struggle to pay for drugs, I know people who struggle to pay for transportation to and from jobs that are constantly teetering on the brink... and the questions we ask of presidential candidates are about accessories? ABC is just lucky I can't sue them to get the two hours of my life back.</p>]]></description>
<author>Ken</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000500</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000500</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:23:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mike in Iowa</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Despite the talking heads upcoming attempt to milk this debate for "news" it will mean nothing, absolutley nothing.  ABC was/is pathetic.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mike in Iowa</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000502</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000502</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:20:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Greg</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>When did George Stephanopoulos become a Republican?</p>]]></description>
<author>Greg</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000508</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000508</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:33:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jersey</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>He became a repub when Hillary did. A few months ago.</p>]]></description>
<author>Jersey</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000512</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000512</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:03:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by hmm</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Senator Obama, why do you hate America? Senator Clinton, how do you feel about Senator Obama hating America?</p>

<p>I'm glad Obama didn't jump over the podium and clock the moderators. Good lord.</p>]]></description>
<author>hmm</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000515</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000515</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:14:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by unPC</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>outside-the-bubble comment:<br />
_________________<br />
Obama got clobberred, he didn't stand up well to the normal media scrutiny about the normal issues that typically decide a presidential race.  Back in Jan. Obama supporters effusively trumpeted his intangibles -- charisma, charm etc. -- as why we should support him -- this meant he could connect with independents and republicans and bring us this huge sweeping change election, etc. Well now the intangibles aren't so great the cry is it's unfair to talk about them, themedia is unfair and the swing voters are too stupid to understand what they should be voting on.  And damn it if he doens't wear a flag pin we lefties like him better so fuck allthose ARchie Bunker dumbass swing voters!</p>

<p><br />
The Obama supporter view seems no longer to be: "he's a master at this game -- he will sweep 350 electoral colelge votes and change politics forever !! [heave, pant, faces blushing in anticipation]."</p>

<p>Nope, now it's "screw all those dumbass voters who care if he had a fundraiser with a guy who wanted to bomb Aemrica more and said so after 9-11!  Screw all those dumbass voters who get into flag pins!! The media is unfair, the bvoters are too dumb, hey if they want to make this process be about stupid silly nonissues then too bad for them if they don't elect Barack Obama!1"</p>

<p>Because clearly he's on the path to lose the general election.</p>

<p>At the debate Obama all the polls show he has a better chance against McCain.</p>

<p>What a fibber.</p>

<p>It's basically a tie if you look at the margin of error and the average of polls on the respective head to heads nationally.</p>

<p>And we know the general electoin turns on electoral college votes.</p>

<p>Here's real clear politics -- these are averages  of other polls showing Obama and Clinton against McCain: <br />
Pennsylvania Obama +2.2 Clinton +6.2 -- that is Clinton does 4 points better.  Clinton's mopre electable in PA NOT OBAMA.</p>

<p>Ohio McCain +5.2 Clinton +2.8 <br />
Clinton does 8 points better.  <br />
OBAMA LOSES OHIO. That's not a poll showing he's more electable, in fact a 5 point lead is pretty good and an 8 poitn spread shows Clinton is FAR MORE ELECTABLE.</p>

<p>Florida McCain +11.7 McCain +0.3 </p>

<p><br />
Wow.  Crash and burn disaster.  This would be the kind of loss that puts Florida out of our reach for 20 years.  Obama is crushed by nearly 12 points.</p>

<p>(Guess all htose millions of Democrats read about how he wants to deny them representation at the convention. What a stupid, losing position for him to take!)</p>

<p>So bottom line on these tidbits of info is Obama loses 2 of 3 key swing states-- normally this means we DEMOCRATS LOSE the presidency.  Again.  </p>

<p>Because why?</p>

<p>Because Obama and his supports have disdain for the process, the media, and the people who do actually care about hanging out with a terrorist who wanted to bomb America more, who care about not wearing a flag pin and who care about a 20 year relationship with a pasotr who teaches God Damn America.  </p>

<p>McGovern, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry and Mondale and yes, Humphrey all got clobbered over these "social issues" or "cultural liberalism" or what not.  <br />
So these "trivial" issues in fact are what decide elections. </p>

<p>Crying about what moves swing voters and decides elections is arrogant and disdainful.  It does not predict nor help win the election.  </p>

<p>Adlai Stevenson with charm still is still Adlai Stevenson.<br />
___________________<br />
Okay, ally ally in come free, back into the bubble!  </p>]]></description>
<author>unPC</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000517</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000517</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:21:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Big Sven</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Chris in Tampa-</p>

<p>Jebus.  Jebus.  Jebus.</p>

<p>Saxamaphone, saxamaphone.  To beer, the cause of, and solution to, most of life's problems.  Eat my shorts.</p>

<p>Jebus.</p>]]></description>
<author>Big Sven</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000521</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000521</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:07:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by McCain/Crist &apos;08!</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I love it! Thanks, Hillary! I can take a vacation until 1/20/09. Oh, and there will be at least 16 more years of GOP Rule.</p>]]></description>
<author>McCain/Crist &apos;08!</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000523</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000523</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:16:58 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Ken</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>"Because why?</p>

<p>Because Obama and his supports have disdain for the process, "</p>

<p>Yes, damn him for continually saying he supports whatever the party wants to do, and thinking he should win simply because he has more delegeates, more states, and a higher popular vote... what kind of wacky vote-based party does he think this is? Some kind of "democratic" party???</p>]]></description>
<author>Ken</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000524</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000524</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:17:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mike in MO</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm moving to Canada.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mike in MO</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000532</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000532</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:37:35 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by It&apos;s Mark Mitchell</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I"m moving to unPC's house.  It must be so happy there...</p>]]></description>
<author>It&apos;s Mark Mitchell</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000534</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000534</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:40:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Deeply Depressed</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>In a way, the candidates have themselves to blame for last night's farce. Why did they agree to so many debates? What could possibly be gained by a 21st debate that was not gained in the first 20?</p>

<p>The electoral process in this country has never seemed more inane. From the astronomical sums of money neccessary to run the campaigns too the mind-numbingly long campaign season, its not a wonder that stupid faux controversies rule the day.</p>]]></description>
<author>Deeply Depressed</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000537</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000537</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:43:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by fluteprof</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I just love the Obamatons on Slog: whenever their guy sucks, they blame the process. Face it. BHO took a beating last night. If he didn't like the questions, he should have thrown them back at the moderator, or left the stage. By answering them, he tacitly approved the process, so stop whining.</p>

<p>He is over. Finished. Finito. Done. You know it in your heart of heart's. Hils at this in the bag weeks ago. Soon you will be sitting comfortably at home, and hear the click-click of Manolo's, and the ringing of your doorbell. She's coming for you, so you better hide.</p>]]></description>
<author>fluteprof</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000538</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000538</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:45:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by jason</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#23:  What you say may be true, but the answer is......Hillary?  I know in some Rust Belt states the attitude is "Hillary or McCain---never the unpatriotic, America-hating Obama" but I get the sense from my Red State friends and relatives in places like Idaho, New Mexico, Nevada, the attitude is "Obama or McCain--never the fake, slimy bitch Hillary".   I don't disagree with anything you are saying about Obama becoming more McGovernlike with every spin cycle.  But I also don't see Hillary losing any of her negatives either, in fact they just keep getting stronger: the trustworty polls, the likeable polls.  Are we just screwed either way then?  I fear we may be.</p>]]></description>
<author>jason</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000540</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000540</guid>
<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:46:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@16,</p>

<p>The Hollywood elites don't make money off of popcorn.</p>

<p><br />
@29,</p>

<p>Your shtick is getting old.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000560</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:22:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by JC</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>unPC: Stop quoting all these polls of what's going to happen in November. Anyone's who's paid any attention to any of the polls in this election can see that they don't mean a thing until about a week before. Any McCain vs. Obama poll is meaningless until they actually campaign against each other.</p>

<p>fluteprof: Stop telling people what they feel in their "heart of heart's" [sic]. If you have some information that the rest of don't, then cite your sources.</p>]]></description>
<author>JC</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000572</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by w7ngman</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#22, your continued obsession with posting general election polls is fucking useless.</p>

<p>#29, your continued obsession with the idea that HRC has it locked up is fucking comical. Weren't you going to put your rebate check up against Bellevue Ave? Why don't you go put your life savings into HRC on Intrade, where she's selling at %18? What's that? It's because you're full of shit?</p>

<p>Seriously, if you think HRC has it locked up, you will make 4:1 on your investment on Intrade. Let us know when you buy in.</p>]]></description>
<author>w7ngman</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000596</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:16:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Todd</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@29 You must be really bad at math, unless you think a ton of superdelegates are going to turn it around for her. Statistically it's almost impossible.</p>]]></description>
<author>Todd</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000606</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:30:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by NapoleonXIV</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>In these trying times, you'd deny us bitter slog posters the solace of clinging to Jebus?</p>]]></description>
<author>NapoleonXIV</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000628</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:48:32 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by w7ngman</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#34, no one can be that bad at math. They must be a tin foil hat anti-Establishment nutzo and think that the Party Elites are going to crown Mrs. Bill Clinton as the Democratic nominee, sans convention. White People *will* save the day. That Uppity Negro that's threatening the Way It Is? He's finished. You know it in your heart of hearts.</p>]]></description>
<author>w7ngman</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000629</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:48:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by w7ngman</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Christ was also an Uppity Negro, so I recommend switching to "Jefus".</p>]]></description>
<author>w7ngman</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000648</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:59:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cascadian</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Luckily, the only people watching last night debate were hard-core political types around the country who are set on supporting one of the two candidates and have probably already voted anyway. The exception are Democratic voters in the upcoming states, primarily Pennsylvania but also Indiana and North Carolina. I doubt enough of those voters are going to be swayed to make any difference to the presumed nomination of Barack Obama.</p>

<p>As for the general election, again, nobody except a few million hardcore voters watched this (and not even all of us--I only saw the highlights after the fact, and realized that it wasn't worth taking the trouble to seek out the video). That leaves only the potential value of these issues to smear Obama in TV ads in the fall. But that would have happened anyway.</p>

<p>So there's no reason for Obama supporters to despair or Clinton and McCain supporters to crow with glee. We should all despair that our media have degraded to this level, regardless of which candidate we support, but that's not going to affect the outcome of this election.</p>]]></description>
<author>Cascadian</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/im_still_voting_for_the_noflagpin_guy#c1000650</link>
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<category>2008</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:01:17 -0800</pubDate>
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