Comments on Did We Mention That Mark Penn is Out?

Hillary constantly demonstrates that she can not plan for anything. She can only react and that is the last thing we need in the White House. If it is Hillary by some far off chance who is the nominee I am going to vote for a third party or hell maybe even McCain in protest.

Perhaps Hillary might have considered doing this $10 million and several lost primaries ago. I guess she just values loyalty over actual performance. We need more presidents like that.

HRC does not oppose anything, or support anything, except the thing in the bathroom mirror. Perhaps a remake of that Disney classic, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (Schneewitsch und die Sieben Zwergen) is in order for the Fairest of Them All.

Hey! Have y'all heard the rumors about McCain picking Condoleeza as his running mate?????

OUT... or just stepping down from his current position.

You really think he's not going to work behind the scenes?

This was damage control for the Columbia fuck-up, nothing more.

BTW, congrats, Eli, for having your Saturday post about Sean Astin picked up by Sullivan yesterday.

the news about Penn was referenced yesterday about 3x -- first by tsm -- don't you guys read the comments?

the news about Obama flip flopping to now accept the NRA position on how the second amendment gives you the individiual right to bear arms, a position opposed by most liberals and big city mayors, has not been deemed newsworthy -- though it shows "[Obama] does not oppose anything, or support anything, except the thing in the bathroom mirror."

Oops -- forbidden facts -- never mind -- ignore -- forgot my kool aid again.

Penn has stepped down as chief strategist, but his firm will still provide input and polling for the campaign. It's a non-resignation resignation.

unPC, the news about Obama flip-flopping on guns is really non-news. He's anti-gun and not fooling anyone, especially the NRA. But, in light of the fact that many people believe that Gore's anti-gun stance lost him the election in 2000, and further in light of the pending decision by the Supreme Court, which is not going to make a lot of anti-gunners very happy, it's politically expedient for both he and Hillary to sorta shut the fuck up on this issue.

According to Marc Ambinder over at the Atlantic, he's still very much around:

"Demoted Hillary Clinton strategist Mark Penn may no longer have the coveted title of chief strategist, but he remains a key member of the campaign's senior staff. Indeed, it is not clear precisely what Mr. Penn's demotion entails, other than a public rebuke.

"Mr. Penn took part on the campaign's morning message call this morning, as usual.

"This afternoon, he is also scheduled to be on a call with Clinton and other aides to begin to prepare for Saturday's presidential debate in Philadelphia.

"Mr. Penn "is still going to be very much involved," a senior campaign official said."

unPc - it's over, Hillary should have fired the guy a year ago and Obama (Axelrod)has run a brilliant camapaign.

Should the media and the Stranger cover flips on an issue like gun control? I think so but they think the story about snipers is worth 2 weeks and policy stories aren't.
The former sells newspapers the latter, not so much.

It's time to let the Obama train chug to the general and hopefully win and hopefully get more than a much better image in the world. But a better image would be something - let's hope.

@5 - usually, when they "fire" you from these spots, you end up working for an "independent" campaign creating attack ads against your opponents anyway.

It's kind of like musical chairs, but there's tons of chairs against the wall, and everyone's still playing, drinking lemonade, and having cake. You're just not in the center chairs.

@4, aw, and condi so had her heart set on being the next nfl commissioner, cause she's got an unrequited hard-on for football players. no shit, check out both the recent biography and the nyt from a few years ago. this really was her stated future goal, and she really does have a thing for football players (and a certain male cheerleader, too, obviously).

His firm worked for Blackwater, too, and he's not REALLY gone, he "will continue to provide polling and advice as part of the team", as the article states.

Why, WHY are there still Democrats (real Ds, not Limbaugh plants) supporting Hilliary for the nomination. HOW? Because they believe a black man can't win? That is the only possible explanation.

@7: Could you repeat that? The white hood pretty much muffles everything you say.

An interesting side note to this story:

"Penn is also CEO of Burson-Marsteller, a public-relations giant which was working for the government of Colombia. Colombia fired the firm after Penn said his meeting with the ambassador had been a mistake."

Ouch that has GOT to hurt.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/07/bush.trade.pact/index.html?iref=mpstoryview