Slog - Comments on Begin Pushing Hard and Fast http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast There's great news for the undertrained and germophobic among us. Folks can save a life without smooching on someone's clammy blue lips. Ladies and gentlemen, hands-only CPR. Bystanders who see someone suddenly collapse should quickly give the person chest compressions even if they are not trained in cardiopulmonary resuscitation, the American Heart Association said on Monday. The association urged people not to stand idly by because they do not think they know how to administer CPR while an adult stricken with sudden cardiac arrest is dying in front of them.... [Dr. Michael Sayre of Ohio State University] said people not... Copyright 2008 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:19:31 -0800 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:47:18 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe Subject analyzed: not hot. Resort to hands-only CPR.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986851 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986851 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:28:06 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Sorry, I only touch peoples' chests if there are big boobs involved.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986860 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986860 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:32:40 -0800 Comment by COMTE And by "hard" they mean "deep compression", typically 1 1/2 - 2", which in some cases can be enough to crack a rib or two. But, a few cracked ribs are better than being dead.

]]> COMTE http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986867 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986867 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:37:44 -0800 Comment by Christian It's offensive that the AHA's guide says nothing about praying.

]]> Christian http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986868 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986868 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:40:19 -0800 Comment by UNPAID BLOGGER Has no one ever heard of a CPR face shield?? When I took lifeguarding classes, we were required to have one in order to prevent disease transmission... granted most people don't carry one around with them at all times, but it's always an option if you want to save someone.

]]> UNPAID BLOGGER http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986880 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986880 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:45:32 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe Who the hell wants to save someone? You make that decision one minute after nobody else does.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986882 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986882 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:48:25 -0800 Comment by elenchos It used to be if you saved a life, they became your slave. But now? Why bother?

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986901 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986901 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:09:23 -0800 Comment by giffy Every time I start pounding hard and fast on unconsious strangers I get called a rapist

]]> giffy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986908 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986908 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:16:04 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Recent studies suggest that rapid chest compressions -- 200 of them, followed by 200 more -- are MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE than traditional respiration CPR. Air isn't nearly as important as blood, and the compressions do actually send some blood to the brain. The difference is pretty startling -- something like (going from memory here) 40% lifesaving rate versus 1%. Traditional CPR isn't very effective.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986910 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986910 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:17:27 -0800 Comment by Karlheinz Arschbomber Why do I always have to agree with Fnarf? It's been proven that the mouth-to-mouth thing is almost irrelevant.

However, Fnarf's '40% success rate' is nonsense. Hands-on successful resucitation runs a lot closer to 5%, all those heroic TV shows notwithstanding.

]]> Karlheinz Arschbomber http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986919 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986919 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:22:34 -0800 Comment by Fnarf OK, as I said that was from memory, and my memory is an unresponsive patient these days. Success rate of hands-on greatly exaggerated. Though the key factor is how fast the real medics get there; if it's less than ten minutes, your chances go way, way up.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986971 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c986971 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:10:06 -0800 Comment by Gidget In addition, the chance of the victim vomiting into your mouth is greatly decreased.

]]> Gidget http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987026 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987026 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:48:36 -0800 Comment by Giffy @10 I always thought CPR was more of a stabilizing method than a resuscitation one, in that it just keeps the person alive until the medics arrive.

]]> Giffy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987046 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987046 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:57:14 -0800 Comment by KariMDinCanada Not just a temporizing measure until the medics get there - that's why they keep up the CPR! Compressions are much more important than breathing for the patient - and research has found that one reason why people didn't do bystander CPR was that they didn't want to do mouth to mouth with a stranger.

]]> KariMDinCanada http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987199 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987199 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:18:02 -0800 Comment by Giffy @14, so then the compressions can actually restart the heart? I thought you needed defibrillation to do that, but I don't really know how all this works. Not trying to be argumentative at all, just genuinely curious.

]]> Giffy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987222 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987222 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:31:21 -0800 Comment by KariMDin Canada A defibrillator only works if the heart is in a particular rhythm (v fib or v tach). If it is (more commonly) in other rhythms - the defibrillator won't work - CPR is your only hope until the underlying problem can be fixed. That being said - the return of circulation rate is about 4% as stated above.

]]> KariMDin Canada http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987399 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/begin_pushing_hard_and_fast#c987399 Life Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:47:18 -0800