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<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we</link>
<description>According to this space article, we who happen to be in this time, and not in other times (which is the real mystery of life--why is one in this time and not, say, in a future or past time), we are in a position not only to know that our galaxy is not isolated but also it will be isolated in the future. If something like human intelligence is around 100 billion years from now, and that intelligence has no record of our ideas and discoveries, it will have no idea of the big bang, the past, or the other...</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:01:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Heavy</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>What happened before the big bang?</p>]]></description>
<author>Heavy</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991420</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991420</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:13:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by PopTart</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I think you just broke my brain. That was way too much deep thought for first thing Monday morning. So, in the future the only now is now?</p>]]></description>
<author>PopTart</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991436</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991436</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:21:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by infrequent</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>we live in interesting times...</p>]]></description>
<author>infrequent</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991444</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991444</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:27:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DJSauvage</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>How do we know there isn't more universe beyond our current event horizon/ observable space already ?</p>]]></description>
<author>DJSauvage</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991463</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991463</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:35:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Wait.  How exactly are those galaxies going to travel faster than the speed of light?</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991478</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991478</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:44:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by infrequent</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>if galaxy a goes left at half the speed of light, and galaxy b goes right at half the speed of light, neither are going faster than the speed of light, but they are separating by the speed of light. </p>]]></description>
<author>infrequent</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991492</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991492</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:50:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dude</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>We're hurtling away from the BB, perhaps toward the products of other BBs, eventually creating the Big Interference Pattern.</p>]]></description>
<author>Dude</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991493</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991493</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:50:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mahtli69</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@5 - The idea is that the expansion of the universe is accelerating.</p>

<p>However, it seems likely to me that the velocity of expansion, like everything else in nature, goes in cycles. We are accelerating now, but who's to say we won't be slowing down and contracting in the future. Eventually, there will be a Big Crunch, then another Big Bang, and Slog will begin anew.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mahtli69</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991496</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991496</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:51:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by chops</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@1.<br />
it's been theorized that the unimaginably small dimension prior to the big bang was in a state of incredibly low entropy (highly ordered). when the probability of a movement to high entropy occured, bang. hmm, that's so oversimplified it doesn't really explain anything.</p>

<p>anyway, though i am in no position to argue with the theory of the end of cosmology, i do think it is a bit of hubris to expect that more of the mysteries of the universe will not be untangled in the distant future.</p>

<p>though the universe will look completely different and current clues to origins will be erased, what is to say new clues will not be uncovered?</p>

<p>perhaps a distant (in space, in time) intelligence will uncover the mystery of time's arrow, will discover the string and M-threories' other dimensions, will experimentally validate what our time calls a Higgs Field...</p>

<p>and in doing so find other means of unlocking the puzzles that lie at the creation of the current universe.</p>]]></description>
<author>chops</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991529</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991529</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:59:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by infrequent</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@6 + @7.  if two galaxies were moving towards each other faster than the speed of light we wouldn't know it until the moment they hit.  </p>

<p>and i'm not sure we really "know" it even then...</p>]]></description>
<author>infrequent</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991546</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991546</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:04:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by chops</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>the speed of light is constant.</p>]]></description>
<author>chops</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991557</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991557</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:07:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The question "why is one in this time and not, say, in a future or past time" does not have any meaning. You've got it backwards. You're wondering why you're "in this time" BECAUSE you're in this time, and everyone in every other time wonders the same thing. You're the victim of sloppy language.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991569</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991569</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:13:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by w7ngman</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>#6, true, but I don't think the theory of the article is hinging on that.</p>

<blockquote>
The quickening expansion will eventually pull galaxies apart faster than light, causing them to drop out of view.
</blockquote>

<p>Unless this article is challenging the theory of special relativity and everything we know about how light travels, this is more of the same overly simplified pseudo-science that's pretty common from Scientific American.</p>

<p>Light travels at a constant speed, regardless of the speed of its origin. Light is also observed at a constant speed to all observers, regardless of their respective speeds.</p>

<p>If galaxy A is moving left at 0.5c and galaxy B is moving right at 0.5c, the light leaving galaxy A still moves at 1.0c and will catch up to galaxy B. It will be red-shifted, though.</p>

<p>If I'm reading it correctly, the article is saying the galaxies *will* actually approach the speed of light. It's different than someone throwing a baseball 30mph from a car moving 30mph in the opposite direction, though, where the baseball would end up with zero net velocity. It's not that the photons will be left standing still due to the galaxy moving close to the speed of light (since light travels at a constant speed regardless of the source velocity), it's just that they will be red-shifted into something non-observable, or at least something completely non-cogent. Page 4 has the goods:</p>

<blockquote>
Just as the event horizon of a black hole emits radiation, so, too, does our cosmological event horizon. Yet the temperature associated with this radiation is unmeasurably small, about 10–30 kelvin. Even if astronomers were able to detect it, they would probably attribute it to some other, far larger local source of noise.
</blockquote>

<p>The author's tendency to sensationalize the trickle of ultra-red-shifted radiation into a "void" of "nothingness" is merely a consequence of Scientific American being a somewhat silly pop-sci periodical. </p>

<p>Hope this helps.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>w7ngman</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991641</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991641</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:36:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Pinto</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>But aren't we really inside an atom in the fingernail of a giant?</p>]]></description>
<author>Pinto</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991685</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991685</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:49:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by drone5969</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Im not sure what any of them know or how they come to prove what they think they know but I definately know at this time I need the number to Charles dealer.</p>]]></description>
<author>drone5969</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991812</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991812</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:41:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by D Huygens</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I'd be perfectly OK with having no knowledge of that stupid CBS sitcom.</p>]]></description>
<author>D Huygens</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991834</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991834</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:50:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by linus</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I heard that beyond the universe exists an infinate membranre of infinate diminsions one 'moment" (time and space exists in a way unthinkble to us in this higher plan...about 11(?) (or whatever number string theory says) dimminsions happend to intersect at one "point" that "point' is our universe...in addition to the infinate number of universes we span off at every micro moment due to laws of probibility there are other "points" in this membrane where entirely forgion mixtures  of diminsions tersect, creating "universes with radicly different concepts of "space" and 'time" </p>]]></description>
<author>linus</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991899</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991899</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:16:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@8,</p>

<p>OK, but it's my completely amateurish understanding that traveling faster than the speed of light is impossible.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991906</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c991906</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:18:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by w7ngman</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It is, and this article doesn't seem to challenge that.</p>]]></description>
<author>w7ngman</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992050</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992050</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:26:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by point x point synopsis</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There are some theories about transcending the speed with regard to Tachyons and D-branes..somewhat controversial though.</p>

<p><br />
but there is this Proust at the end of Remembrance of Things Past:</p>

<p><b>"...to describe men first and foremost as occupying a place, a very considerable place compared with the restricted one which is alloted to them in space, a place on the contrary immoderately prolonged--- for simultaneously, like giants plunged into the years, they touch epochs that are immensely far apart, separated by the slow accretion of many, many days-- in the dimension of time."</b></p>

<p><br />
fwiw    </p>]]></description>
<author>point x point synopsis</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992296</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992296</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:31:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Primus</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Haven't people known about the Heat Death since the Victorian ages?</p>]]></description>
<author>Primus</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992357</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992357</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:05:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Anti-Spiral</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Eh, 100 billion years from now either we'd be dead or be so technologically advanced we could KICK REASON TO THE CURB and re-crunch the universe. </p>]]></description>
<author>Anti-Spiral</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992424</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992424</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:06:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by -B-</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There might not be any "they of tomorrow" we could easily become extinct. We do not have any control over our future when it comes to surviving on this planet. Our history so far has been short. Other animals have lived and survived far longer than we have been around and could possibly continue on long after we are gone.</p>]]></description>
<author>-B-</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992515</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/04/according_to_this_article_we#c992515</guid>
<category>Science</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:56:46 -0800</pubDate>
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