Or houses? No one has ever won the presidency without winning the votes of people who live in houses. You can take that to the bank.

The possibilities are endless.

First with the comments by Ferraro, now this.

This says Obama doesn't need Pennsylvania. You linked to this last week, Josh. Have you forgotten already?

But yeah, the GWB 2x example is pretty relevant too.

But yeah, the GWB 2x example is pretty relevant too.

HRC has been doing well in tried-and-true Blue States-- she wins over a lot of old school dems. To imply that Blue States would rather vote for McCain than Obama is, uh, wrong. They'll vote Blue, whether the HRC is the candidate or Obama is.

If Obama is our nom, he'll win in California, he'll win in New York, he'll win in Rhode Island and Massachusetts and New Jersey... He'll win, easily, in just about every place that HRC won.

But can she do the same? Can she win in the places that Obama is pulling out the vote? Places like South Carolina and Mississippi and Louisiana? You know, latte sipping places like that?

Will the people who came out to show support for Obama be there for the dems if HRC is the candidate?

I think we all know the answer to that.

Do I think tried-and-true Red States are going to go Blue in the general election? Probably not. But I think they will go Purple, and that'll give McCain a run for his money. HRC does not have the power, the support, and the momentum to make create a massive wave of Purple States. Obama does.

He has won more delegates in 30 of the 44 states that have voted thus far. In the 14 states that he has not won, for the most part, his margin of loss is slim and he would easily get the Dem vote if HRC wasn't there.

It seems like a simple idea to me, but apparantly it's too complex for Hillary "Win at Any Cost" Clinton.

I'm with #9- the superdelegates need to step in and end this madness NOW.

the road to downing street goes through downing, too, i suppose.

Clinton team idiots.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/proobama-governors-chall_n_91167.html

My first vote for a Democrat was for George McGovern in 1972, so I assume I've been in the party long enough to qualify under your definition.

I support Barack Obama. I won't disparage Hillary Clinton and I don't think others would as much if she hadn't been running on the "kitchen sink" strategy for over a month.

The ugliness of the recent campaign has been coming from the Clinton side, not the Obama side. They are desperate and believe the only way they can win is to "drive up his negatives", as they say. Hillary is the one who would rather detroy the Democratic Party than lose.

If Hillary had used her positions on gays, blacks, and other disenfranchised peoples to actually make some intelligent policy decisions, she might have had better luck in this contest. But she's just riding on her husband's coattails. How else could she have won a Senate seat in a state she's not from with no previous elected experience?

And tell me again that she doesn't sound arrogant. It humors me. Perhaps it'll be the new trend!

WiS@6: Ferraro's comment was uncalled for, and I said so yesterday. But comparing it to Springer's boilerplate our-opponent-has-to-win-this-state-in-which-we're-leading fluff is transparent disingenuity.

You were saying, Big Sven?

Meanwhile, in other news ...

from Michael Barrone (right winger)
"In contrast, Obama's demagoguing on trade failed to attract white working-class voters: He ran far behind Clinton in Mahoning County (Youngstown) and the west side of Cuyahoga County (Cleveland). In southeast Ohio, settled originally by Virginians and still southern-accented today, Clinton carried all-white counties with 70 to 80 percent of the vote--by more than she was carrying nearly-all-white counties in central Texas. That raises doubts that Obama could run well in these counties, which provided critical votes in Bill Clinton's wins in Ohio in the 1990s and Jimmy Carter's narrow win there in 1976."

All her recent race bating is an effort to appeal to central PA voters, who often resent the electoral 2 ton elephant of Philly in state wide elections there.

To many people in PA philly is the "black" city in the state, it represents "black interests" and so forth. They'll jump at the chance to vote for Clinton if they think it is somehow against the electoral wishes of blacks. Rural PA is about as enlightened as rural alabama.

Which makes it so deliciously ironic that Rendell is stumping for Clinton. He was the Mayor of Philly, and was essentially elected to PA governor in 2002 on the landslide vote for him in Philly.

Hmmmm....

You're right. That is kinda stupid.

Jesus F'ng Christ... Stop bashing Hillary. Just because you want to be trendy and support the flavor of the month, Obama. There are a lot of us "old" Democrats, who have paid our dues and worked hard for this party before it was trendy and we are REAL tired of the Hillary bashing.

• Richard Nixon beat Hubert Humphrey in 1968.
  
• Richard Nixon beat George McGovern like a rented mule in 1972.
  
• Jimmy Carter won in 1976 and is regarded as one of the most inept presidents in American history.
  
• Ronald Reagan beat Jimmy Carter in 1980.
  
• Ronald Reagan not only beat Mondale/Ferraro in 1984 but he humped the two of them like a pair of bitches, went A2M on them and then spooged on their faces, wiped his dick on their drapes, stole all of the money from their wallets and ran over their dog as he was backing out of the driveway.
  
• George H.W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis in 1988.
  
• Bill Clinton did win in 1992, and for that he, and the rest of you "old Democrats" should be eternally grateful to H. Ross Perot for siphoning off support from George H.W. Bush.
  
• The "old Democrats" lost the House of Representatives in 1994.
  
• Bill Clinton won in 1996 against Bob "You'll get Bob Dole's Viagra when you pry it from Bob Dole's cold dead fingers." Dole but even then he didn't break 50 percent of the vote.
  
• Al Gore lost in 2000 to George W. Bush, a man who makes Ralph Wiggum look like a Rhodes Scholar, and contrary to what "old Democrats" think it's not Ralph Nader's fault, the fact is that a lot of "old Democrats" voted for Bush in the 2000 election.
  
• The Republicans increased their majority in the House of Representatives in 2002.
  
• John Kerry lost in 2004 to Ralph Wiggum, er, I mean, George W. Bush in 2004.
  
• The Republican party increased their majority in the Senate and the House in the 2004 elections.
  
• The Democrats did manage to retake the House in 2006 and managed to gain a bare majority in the Senate but unfortunately neither both Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are unwilling to do anything with it such as stand up to George W. Bush, even though Bush's approval ratings are some of the lowest of any American president.
  
• In 1999 "old Democrat" Dianne Feinstein introduced a bill to censure Bill Clinton for the Lewinsky contretemps. Her bill was co-sponsored by "old Democrats" such as Ted Kennedy, Joe Lieberman, Dick Durbin, Charles Schumer, Harry Reid, Herb Kohl and a few others. These "old Democrats" were willing to censure Bill Clinton for lying about his affair with Monica Lewinsky but haven't done a thing to censure George W. Bush for lying to get us into war in Iraq, failing to respond to the Katrina disaster or for being one of the most, if not the most incompetent, bungling and corrupt president the United States has ever had.
  
• "old Democrats" Dianne Feinstein and Charles Schumer gave attorney general candidate Michael Mukasey a pass on his nomination, despite his refusal to answer questions about torture.
  
• Shall we talk about the "old Democrats" who voted to give George W. Bush a blank check in Iraq. That's a fun roll-call of shame. Let's see, we have "old Democrats" Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Jay Rockefeller (who is now pushing for telecom immunity), Dianne Feinstein, Tom Daschle, Herb Kohl, Joe Lieberman, Chuck Schumer, Bob Torricelli, Ernest Hollings, Hell, you can find the list, oh and when you do note that Hillary Clinton is on it.
  
• If it weren't for the support of "old Democrats" (and Hillary Clinton) the Kyl/Lieberman amendment, which Jim Webb (a new Democrat) referred to as "...Dick Cheney's fondest pipe dream", never would have passed. I'm pissed at Barack Obama because he didn't vote against this piece of shit but if it weren't for limp-dick "old Democrat" Harry Reid this piece of shit never would have even come up for a vote.
  

Hillary was standing up for women, gays, blacks, the disabled and veterens for more than 35 years and it's really sad that just becuase she doesn't sound like some arrogant preacher all of you want to turn your backs on her and try discount all that she has stood for.

Can you give us some examples of Hillary standing up for women, gays, blacks, veterans and the disabled? Yeah, she sure did stand up for gays in 1996 when her husband signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law and then took out ads on conservative Christian radio stations to brag about it. And she sure did stand up for veterans when she gave Bush a blank check to start a war in Iraq. Of course thanks to her part in giving George W. Bush his blank check there are now more disabled people for her to stand up for, which is good since the troops that were killed in Iraq or had their legs blown off or were paralyzed can't stand up for themselves any more.

Please Brian, give us some examples of the good works of Saint Hillary of Chatauqua (by way of Little Rock and Washington, D.C.). I'm sure that they'll be as amusing to read as her claims to foreign policy experience and as fictional as George W. Bush's military record (or as fictional as Hillary Clinton's foreign policy experience).

Tell us Brian, when you became an "old Democrat" did you get a special "old Democrat" card signed by "old Democrat" Zell Miller? You must be absolutely thrilled to see "old Democrat" Geraldine Ferraro pulling plays from the "old Democrat" playbook on race-baiting written by "old Democrats" Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and George Wallace.

How long does one have to be an "old Democrat" before they are allowed to display the sense of entitlement and patronizing condescension that you and your fellow "old Democrats" Hillary Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, Bill Clinton and Gloria Steinem display? Are the rest of us who aren't members of the "old Democrat" club supposed to strew flower petals wherever you walk and bow down and worship you? Do you get a special "old Democrat" parking pass? Sure, you "old Democrats" don't have much of a record of success, and a lot of the time you act like old Republicans, but geez, you'd think that you "old Democrats", despite your multiple failures to win elections and your unwillingness to actually do anything when you do win them, that you'd get something for all of that hard work you've done and all those dues you paid.

Quixote: 1,000,000
Old Democrat: 0

Kids, I think we've got a winner.