Slog - Comments on The Clinton Myth

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:08:56 -0800

Well, of course.

I thought that was obvious.

She also, in addition to the Primary, has an uphill battle for the General election.

Comment by chicagogaydude

chicagogaydude — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:16:31 -0800

As a Clinton supporter, I encourage the repetition of this line by the media. It worked wonders in New Hampshire.

Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty

Fifty-Two-Eighty — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:16:39 -0800

Eli, you are seriously in need of an intervention.

Comment by pbaitch

pbaitch — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:18:30 -0800

One big fact: "virtually" is pretty subjective.

Comment by uhmmmm

uhmmmm — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:19:08 -0800

i didn't realize it was so out of hand. i had the impression the race was neck and neck...i knew he had more delegates...but i was thinking if she won PA and then they re-voted in florida AND michigan AND she won both...THEN the superdelegates who want her would feel comfortable voting for her...lately, it sounds like they won't be revoting, right? then obama is the winner...sucks to be florida and michigan (constituents) and not have your vote count.

Comment by arduous

arduous — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:21:02 -0800

If by "lost" you mean "mentioned in every Slog thread about the election" you are correct.

Next on Politico: The never talked about housing crisis.

Sheesh.

Comment by Andrew

Andrew — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:22:58 -0800

Nothing on the rush on banks either.... you know Great Depression type stuff.

Comment by brett

brett — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:25:43 -0800

it's true. which makes it even more tragic to see that she's willing to destroy the democratic party for no good reason.

Comment by tsm

tsm — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:25:50 -0800

I guess Clinton holdouts should all keep hoping that superdelegates change their mind by the dozen and overrule the popular vote. Although it'd be interesting to hear the convoluted rationale for why it's a good thing for the will of the general public to be overruled by a bunch of party elites.

Comment by Eric F

Eric F — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:33:37 -0800

Yeah, outside of the front page of the third-largest daily in the country, a day before the Politico's post. The sound of silence:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/us/politics/20memo.html

Comment by torrentprime

torrentprime — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:07:37 -0800

@2: You may or may not have noticed, but we've had a few primary since NH. Comparing the statement of "can't win" now versus then is like comparing a declaration of victory in a football game in the first 3 minutes of the 1st Q to down-by-28-with-2-minutes-left-in-the-4th: of course, she could score a crapload of points in that time... if the other team went home.

Comment by tsm

tsm — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:17:37 -0800

Incidentally, remember that batshit woman from NY NOW? I love her press releases.

[Callers to NY NOW] are infuriated that a woman with exemplary qualifications could be supplanted by a man with limited experience and scant qualifications ... It has been further suggested by callers that if Obama's supporters are so anxious for Party unity, they should convince him to drop out because Hillary Clinton has won all the big states a candidate needs to take the Presidency.

Limited experience? You mean the guy who's been in public office two years longer than Hillary Clinton has? And I guess we should be reassured knowing that Clinton has won "big state" primaries, as John Kerry did.

Comment by Gomez

Gomez — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:17:48 -0800

Well, democrats ARE a deluded bunch.

Comment by treacle

treacle — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:29:20 -0800

Except that she has every chance of winning... she's backed by the weapons industry and an array of heavy hitters. I'll bet even the CIA backs her.
I'm voting Obama, but I think either Clinton or McCain are going to "win" the presidency.

Comment by elenchos

elenchos — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:32:57 -0800

Thank god for NY NOW. Thank god for Marcia Pappas. The Rudy Guliani 9/11 exploitation is genius.

Comment by Big Sven

Big Sven — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:01:19 -0800

*Yawn*. So the supes would have to break for Hillary. Let me just file this in my "No Shit Sherlock" file.

Comment by NapoleonXIV

NapoleonXIV — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:02:57 -0800

Which means she has to kneecap Obama, without leaving fingerprints on the tire iron.....

Comment by Meinert

Meinert — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:29:41 -0800

all of the true progressives (not liberals or Dems, but progressives...) should not fear Clinton destroying the Democratic party. It NEEDS to be destroyed. We hang onto it just because we see it as a better alternative than the R's. But if it went away, we'd get something new and better, hopefully something truly progressive that would get something done. We might even get a Party with members who would stand up for what they believe in.

The Democratic Party is the status quo. It's stale, generally out of touch and out of ideas and controlled by big money and Christians. I actually see an Obama win as worse for the Democratic Party - at least the establishment part of the party. Obama's biggest fear is the "liberal" establishment who would be empowered and enriched by Clinton, but who would lose that with Obama.

Comment by McG

McG — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:35:15 -0800

generally agree but with kerry, kennedy, and so many of the establishment on his side I don't think they "lose" if he wins

Comment by six shooter

six shooter — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:33:45 -0800

What will all of Obama's supporters say when he is unable to gain enough votes to win before the primary?

Are these the same supporters who argue against FL and MI because "we all agreed to the rules before the game started?"

Comment by catnextdoor

catnextdoor — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:21:11 -0800

@20 I wonder what all the Hillary supporters will say when McCain kicks her ass?

Comment by Dianna

Dianna — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:49:24 -0800

I must concur with catnextdoor. Based on purely anecdotal evidence and hunches, HRC will lose to McCain big time. So many of those "independents" aka "don't know what the fuck they believe and easily swayed by posturing" just wont vote for HRC, ever. They hate her. And they find McCain highly palatable. If any other Republican were the nominee, I'd say she had a shot.