Well, at least it has a point of view.
Don't hold back, now. Tell me how you really feel.
The hamburger buns line is a good one.
Well, if you don't like it here, then leave . . . oh, yeah.
How to Survive a Depression
1. Have a good job that won't fire you.
2. Have a "secondary" skill that you can trade for things (ie. food, rent). Typically something necessary (like repair, or haircutting, or alcohol manufacture, or, well, prostitution.. something that people will want regardless of the economy).
3. Stock up on essentials. Canned food (plus spare can opener...), cat/dog food, bog rolls (toilet papier), warm clothes, water, candles. Basic emergency kit, times 6-24 weeks.
4. Start a Victory Garden. Get your soil tested for lead or toxic chemicals first. Learn how to compost.
5. Meet your neighbors.
6. Acquire useful, non-money, transferable items. Jewels, silver coins, gold teeth, cigarettes. Small things are easier to exchange than large, expensive things. Consider what people will want.
7. Keep a set of nice clothes. If you look good, you might talk your way into a good situation.
8. Keep your documents in order: passport, Drivers Lic., birth cert., green card, work visa, some pay stubs, etc. etc. You never know.
If we go down, Canada and other places are going down too, so running for the border won't help much. Better to rock your community and work it out.
ahhh - the bitter drunk ex-pats....
Just because something happened during a bad time that is happening now does not mean that now is the same as said bad time. the great Depression was largely caused by a deflationary economy due to a partial gold standard hampering the feds ability to inject money into the economy. Essentially the economy was to big for the amount of money. That took a normal recession and prevented any meaningful recovery resulting in a depression.
What is happening now is more similar to the S&L debacle or if things do not improve, the stagflation of the 70's. We are not there yet, but the Fed will not allow deflation and will pump enough money in to keep things moving even if it causes pretty severe inflation. Which will bad, would at least have the effect of making our debts much less.
i don't care what these idiots say, i'll still take my chances in the states over russia. nice comment treacle
" I almost cannot blame Bush and the bankers for stealing from American fools, itís just too easy!"
i have to admit this exact sentiment occurred to me recently, too.
Let's see, banking deregulation followed by a pattern of irresponsible lending followed by a meltdown followed by hundreds of billions of dollars disappearing, never to be heard from again, into the private offshore accounts of the very same people who caused the crisis in the first place -- it kinda sounds like the S&L Crisis. Now, let's see, who was the president when that happened again? Damnit, it's a familiar name, and it's right on the tip of my tongue...
god, I love the eXile.
A number of people on the Washington Post blogs were recommending we start shooting CEOs.
Not a bad idea, when you think about it ...
You and me both, gnossos.
As much a staple as this rag.
Nothing beats War Nerd, though.
You do that, Will. Of course, you'll have to find them first. And don't expect any of your "number of people" to stand your bail.
PARANOIA will DESTROY ya!
War Nerd!! Yes!
@12: Hey go get busy Will. By all means, what with that sniper training and all. Have at it.
The crises is real.
The extent of the problems is massive and the solutions are mean.
Because of bad loans and shrinking real estate equity - US and International banks are sitting on over 10 trillion dollars of bad commercial paper.
No buyers, lots of wellers.
Solution: massive bank failures, panic intenationally which mens capital flight from US money systems, Stock crash, and many more problems.
In the mean, those with cash from outside the US will buy the USA at 10 cents on the very weak dollar. Because of oil revenue, many nations are filthy rich.
Canada among them.
Get ready, learn to be very frugal, keep liquid, consider doubling up to share expenses, and talk to the old timers who survived the Great Depression.
By the way, Bush has done little so far.
Clinton could handle it.... Obama no.
Some form of major system failures and panics and bank runs are at the door. Foreign investment is fleeing the US by the hundreds of billions daily. The capital is taking refuge in the Euro and other strong currency and oil rich countries. "Rats leaving the sinking ship" - the US economy.
Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - two giant quasi public money pools - are both nearly at the end of the line.
The govt created them about 30 years ago to bond/secure home lending and create money flow to home lending - the treasury/fed and MUST step in to rescue since they have always been under treasury guarantee. The cost for these two alone will be trillions. Just two.
Explain it better, Prof. Fnarf.
The chimp dances, the VP loots - and the economy is tanking.
If there is no market for commercial paper, it is worthless.
If you hold a billion dollars of bad real estate loan paper and you cannot convert it to cash, even at horrific discount, you are not just hurting, you are bankrupt.
Bankss can take back the house, but it might take years to get money out of the real estate, and then at steep discounts to face value. Homes in Las Vegas have declined 20-30 percent in the last year. Banks have thousands of them in default.
Want free rent, go to Vegas and house sit for banks in empty homes they are swamped with.
Now repeat that scene in 40 American markets - the problem is astonishing.
The next default will be the middle class as they realize the loan on the house is $100.000. more than it is worth at declining current market. They will take the credit hit and walk away. Second wave of major default is coming... more empty houses that are "no sale" in the slump.
Thanks America! By having your economy and currency in the bottom of the shitter, I living and working out of the country can buy dollars and get a 20% DISCOUNT ON MY UNIVERSITY LOANS! YES! THANKS
the sky is falling!
LOL! That's the funniest thing I ever read. Neither could handle it, its out of their hands, but I don't think either one would make it worse (like Bush). At best, what we could get from Obama is some FDR style fireside chats and someone who actually makes us feel good about our country for a change. Hillary? Not so much....that baggage is too heavy.
What, like I should pay attention to people who are so bedrock stupid that they live in fucking RUSSIA -- by CHOICE?
My grandparents, who got the hell out of there 100 years ago, piss on these guys from their graves.
@17 and 18,
Nobody is fleeing, they are just holding back in safer investments until the market bottoms out, which its possibly going to in the next couple months. In fact far from being worthless many of the MBS are undervalued at this point. Remember at the bottom of all this are actual properties securing the debt and while a few are upside down, most have more equity in them.
Its pretty unlikely that we would see a total collapse of the real estate market nationally as there is just too much cash floating around for that too happen. People will swoop into to buy at that point. Now is unemployment were at 15%, wages were plummeting, and banks out of money, then yeah time to panic, but so far non of that has happened.
@23, When you have to a big festival to get people to fuck so your population doesn't continue to plummet you know your Country has got to be a pretty big shit hole.
@17: You almost had me until that last line. Clinton's only financial strength is her totemic significance as the wife of the president during a period of economic prosperity he may or may not have actually been responsible for.
I do tend to give his policies some credit but there are arguments on both sides for how much was Bill Clinton and how much was essentially chance.
Seattle is a bubble right now - we do not have the Vegas scene with hundreds and hundreds of new homes vacant.
Nor the same no jobs problems.
As far as where is the bottom, Wa Mu has lost 70 percent of its market value in a year. Wall street says its bonds will son be rated JUNK .... is that the time to buy?
My feeling is that Hilary would do better. First she has a stronger plan to freeze foreclosure and delay interest rate increases.
In this era, the executive power of the White House in un contested. By ex. order, almost dictatorial. Who said what can the president do?
Ohio, Pa. and all the big states are going to react to the economy. And more so as this continues. Maybe time and shifting events are on Hilary side. Ah, the fates of history.
Obama is rookie. She is the fighter. Either is better than Mc War - the saga continues.... and I think Clinton will benefit from the sour economy. Sorry Obama folk, fate is ficle.
New Russia is haded to be one of the richest nations on earth. All the mineral resources abound, oil and natural gas gushing. And the EU ready and willing to partner. India and China to buy.
They fear America and are rearming rapidly. Their version of SAC is back in the air.Nest they will refurbish the nuke subs and build new ones.
They know Mc Cain is nuts and scary.
Which reminds me, Safeway has a good two for one deal on hamburger bugs this week.
Hahaha, all you chicken littles fearing the forthcoming recession because you can't handle any real hardship whatsoever.
I've been living on a shoestring for years. This will have a slight effect on me. Meanwhile, this will ruin so many of your pampered, spoiled lives.
It's sweet of you, Gomez, to adapt that optimistic american view that somehow the poor will do better in all this than the rich. If things get worse for everyone, the poor are the first to get fucked. I've got a great recipe for boiled shoestring.
Now Obama is going to have to go in front of the cameras and distance himself from The Exile. Would you all please stop telling the truth. It makes people nervous.
@29 I've got to agree with you. The only difference this is going to make is that America is no longer the richest country in the world-and much like the Roman Empire, the British Empire, etc., we were just on top for too long. This was bound to happen sooner or later, and the most it will cost is that people might not get to have 2 houses anymore or live in total financial security. We might have to stop paying Hollywood and athletes thousands of dollars for entertainment purposes. We might have to buy 24 inch screen instead of that brand new flat panel.
Geeeez guys, let's keep our heads and not overact. just think we've been spoiled with the economy over the past 20 years, and something that is understandable (economies go through growth spurts and valleys) is suddenly blow out of proportion because we can't be AS RICH as all fuck.
Also, much like China decrying the United States for its "human rights violations" and then turning around and killing 100+ Tibetan protestors, who are the Russians to criticize us? Also, wouldn't they just LOVE to take any small chink in America's armor and blow it out of proportion so they don't have to stare their own problems in the face? Why are we so quick to assume that anyone foreign has a clear-minded view on the US, free of bias?
And the Obama/Clinton comment just made me think of my college pol. sci. professor, who bemoaned that most Americans seem to think the president has a big lever in his office that switches from "Recession" to "Prosperity" at whim.
I'm taking this time to stock up on the essentials: espresso machine detergent, bicycle chain grease, and Jimmy Dean Pancakes & Sausage On A Stick.
Ten Ways to Survive a Depression:
Little Orphan Annie
great list nbc, although couldn't you squeeze #3 to get #2, in a pinch?
Cosmic catnip is also a necessity.
If people in Russia think this is bad, we're FUCKED.
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