Slog - Comments on Slog Poll: What Should Hillary Do? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do This question gets a little bit ahead of the facts. But it's worth asking because so many people have been talking in recent days about what Hillary Clinton should do after tomorrow's contests in delegate-rich Texas and Ohio. (Oh, and in delegate-poor Rhode Island and Vermont, too.) There are a lot of possible scenarios for March 4. Clinton could lose both Ohio and Texas. She could win Ohio but lose Texas. Or she could win Ohio, win the Texas primary, and lose the Texas caucus. (Because, in an arrangement that makes Washington's caucus-and-primary madness look brilliant, Texas has both a... Copyright 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:05:30 -0800 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:14:53 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe Yepperz.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953805 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953805 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:05:59 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Given the timing, this is nothing more than mental masturbation. There really is real news happening today you could be writing about. But, for the record, yes.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953853 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953853 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:09:56 -0800 Comment by Mike of Renton A better poll would have been "Under what conditions should Hillary Clinton drop out of the race after tomorrow?"

The options could go something like this:

  • Loses both OH and TX.
  • Wins one, but loses the other.
  • Wins both by a narrow margin.
  • Wins both by a wide margin.

]]> Mike of Renton http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953904 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953904 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:14:59 -0800 Comment by Gabe Global Better question: if Hillary drops out of the race, how long will it take her to divorce Bill?

]]> Gabe Global http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953929 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953929 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:17:30 -0800 Comment by tsm She can't drop out. Mark Penn wants a new yacht.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953933 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953933 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:18:00 -0800 Comment by torrentprime @3: Agree, with maybe some specifics on which state does what. Because the "meaning" of winning Ohio versus Texas would seem to be different.

]]> torrentprime http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953957 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953957 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:20:15 -0800 Comment by Aislinn I voted yes. It would be a supreme waste of money to continue after such a loss, and expensive temper tantrums leave a bad taste in my mouth.

McCain is pretty much a shoo-in, a double loss would send a clear message that it is time to make this a two-person race.

]]> Aislinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953958 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953958 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:20:21 -0800 Comment by crk on bellevue ave Is it me, or does her campaign remind me of high school? Her attempts to "micro-target" tiny demographics is so transparently obvious, I wonder how people continue to support her.

Watching her run this campaign has convinced me she is the democratic version of Bush. She has surrounded herself with the same kinds of nitwits bush did and both live in a isolated bubble, safe from reality.

]]> crk on bellevue ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953996 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c953996 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:25:01 -0800 Comment by elenchos She should never drop out. Never! She should keep going past the Democratic Convention, past the general election, and even past inauguration. THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT!

Plus, her ads are the bomb. I don't want that to stop. And I've even heard she is making SNL funny again, if you can believe that.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954002 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954002 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:25:52 -0800 Comment by doctiloquus If she doesn't pull 65% of the vote in Texas and Ohio, she should concede. She's hurting the party. Millions of dollars have been spent in this primary fight that could have gone toward countering the upcoming Republican Slander Machine.

Furthermore, her current negative, character-assassination approach to campaigning shows a lack of character (according to her, Obama isn't a muslim "so far as I know?" Give me a break).

Her latest campaign maneuverings and tactics represent the first wave of Republican attack on Obama. If anyone should be ashamed, it should be her. Talk about going against core Democratic values.

Why is she still in this thing, really? As I said in the Texas debate live slog: Obama seems like he's in this because he wants to win. Hillary seems like she's still in this simply because she doesn't want to lose.

]]> doctiloquus http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954053 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954053 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:31:51 -0800 Comment by Fnarf People are too fixated on who "wins" or not, without considering the real chase, which is delegates. A wafer-thin margin in either state is a null result; they'll get approximately the same number of delegates. What you get for finishing first in a state is ZERO. Clinton needs large wins in both OH and TX; if she gets less than a 30-50 delegate surplus over Obama tomorrow, it's all over except for the superdelegates, who are going to end up slightly for Obama.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954056 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954056 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:32:07 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I voted Yes, but should point out if she drops out we'll stop hearing about the issues so much.

Like this national debate on the economy.

And how GWB thinks gas costs $2 a gallon ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954080 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954080 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:35:56 -0800 Comment by Polka Party Hillary is too proud and tenacious to drop out. Based on today's polls, she may win Ohio handily, and could even pull out a squeaker in Texas (though probably loose the delegate total in the caucus). I think we're stuck with a 2-person race. ARRRGGGGHH!

]]> Polka Party http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954102 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954102 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:38:57 -0800 Comment by crk on bellevue ave Will, once she drops out you'll here *more* issues, not less. You cannot have an issues war in the primary because both players have the same opinion. You can play issues war in the general because the other guy has WAY different opinions on those issues.

The general election will be far more exciting because it will be a true war of ideas. Hillary needs to get out because I'm bored as hell the primary... our team needs to sell our ideas to the general public not just sit around and have a circle jerk in the primary.

Hopefully, we'll do the right thing and nominate a good sales person. Republicans sell us their ideas and values and we have history tried selling them our homework assignment (policy positions) in response.

]]> crk on bellevue ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954200 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954200 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:51:48 -0800 Comment by happy renter #3 has a much better poll.

The chances of hillary losing *both* states are pretty small, no?

]]> happy renter http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954209 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954209 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:53:12 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Don't forget that Pennsylvania is Hillary country too, and that's a sizeable number of delegates. No, even if everything goes her way, she won't have enough delegates for an outright win . . . but neither will Obama.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954212 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954212 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:53:22 -0800 Comment by Fitz She will win both! Look at the latest polls.

]]> Fitz http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954220 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954220 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:55:02 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Better Poll:

After Tuesday, should Sen Clinton:

A. Drop out in disgrace

B. Resign her Senate seat for running disgraceful attack ads against President Obama

C. Serve on the US Supreme Court for the rest of her life as punishment for her disgraceful attack ads against President Obama

or

D. Go home and bake cookies for President Clinton while her daughter gets ready for her two terms in office come 2020.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954380 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954380 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:29:56 -0800 Comment by Big Sven Gabe Global@4:

Better question: if Hillary drops out of the race, how long will it take her to divorce Bill?

15 minutes, but then he'll be free to move toCT and run for Lieberman's seat.

You can never get rid of us Clintonites. You smash us to pieces and there's just more of us out there triangulating.

-T

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954446 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954446 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:46:33 -0800 Comment by Reverse Polarity Actually, tomorrow's vote is much ado about nothing.

Ohio and Texas, while big delegate states, are both proportional. That means that if Hillary gets 51% of the vote and Obama gets 49% of the vote, she'll get 51% of the delegates and he'll get 49% of the delegates.

So realistically, unless one of them really blows the other out of the water, at the end of the day tomorrow, they'll both still be roughly even in delegate counts. A minor win by either of them will mean very little.

I'm ready for this primary to be over, but unless Hillary gets totally creamed tomorrow, I don't see a compelling reason for her to drop out until after Pennsylvania.

]]> Reverse Polarity http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954609 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954609 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:31:54 -0800 Comment by kk Hillary Clinton should drop out if and when she's good and ready. In the unlikely event she loses both tomorrow, she won't have any money (and consequently, any staff or media) to continue, anyway, so who cares?

]]> kk http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954875 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c954875 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:49:04 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle It's all about Vermont.

Hils should win there by a 75 to 25 percent landslide.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c955079 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c955079 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:18:45 -0800 Comment by vooodooo84 Puerto Rico is the real prize, their delegates will be in larger blocs than the normal democratic primary

]]> vooodooo84 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c955336 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/03/slog_poll_what_should_hillary_clinton_do#c955336 2008 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:14:53 -0800