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Thursday, March 27, 2008

Savaged

posted by on March 27 at 11:34 AM

Hm. I am a bad, bad man.

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1

it certianly didn't take her very long to go to they gay-bashing angle, did it?

Posted by dan | March 27, 2008 11:40 AM
2

Apparently, you are a douche.

Posted by JC | March 27, 2008 11:42 AM
3

Hilarious. And the comments are comedic gold. Especially when you read through a few dozen and then see:

I just hate all the snippiness. Why does Dan have to be such a bitch about it?
Posted by tsm | March 27, 2008 11:43 AM
4

Cunt.

Posted by Mr. Poe | March 27, 2008 11:43 AM
5

Dan, at least they used a cute pic of you.

Posted by jhell | March 27, 2008 11:44 AM
6

I LOVED your response. No one decode fake letters like you do!

Posted by Tish | March 27, 2008 11:47 AM
7

My favorite post on the site: "March 26 (10:29 am): "I bet he is one of those queens who is so sweet and fawning to your face and catty behind your back." "

Really, Dan is just desperate for attention, much like Britney or Paris.

Posted by Andrew | March 27, 2008 11:49 AM
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March 26 (10:29 am): "I bet he is one of those queens who is so sweet and fawning to your face and catty behind your back."

Ouch.

I love how she keeps saying that you hate blogs. Not that you, you know, edit one or anything. It's your hatred of all things bloggy that led you to criticize them, not their inability to call bullshit when it's obvious. Yup, you've been a bad, bad boy.

Posted by NaFun | March 27, 2008 11:49 AM
9

This one's funny:

March 26 (10:29 am): "I bet he is one of those queens who is so sweet and fawning to your face and catty behind your back."
Posted by apres_moi | March 27, 2008 11:50 AM
10

I have to admit that your response in Savage Love this week to the guy whose wife wouldn't have reconstructive breast surgery after cancer was right on the money. Either you stil have the capacity to think like a straight guy or I'm . . . .

Posted by left coast | March 27, 2008 11:52 AM
11

Those damn kids and their blogs!

Posted by Abby | March 27, 2008 11:53 AM
12

I want so badly to post this on Jezebel's site but I'm afraid it'll be enough to have my commenting privledges revoked at all of Gawker's sites. But seriously, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE FEMINISTS! This is why people don't take feminists seriously. Moe is missing the point in a big, big way. Sigh.

Posted by Jaime-Leigh | March 27, 2008 11:54 AM
13

i honestly used to love that site. it was funny & quick with clever insights. the one blogger Moe has single handily turned into a wolf pack of self deprecation followed by self congratulation. fun feminism does not equal attack packs.

Posted by tater tot | March 27, 2008 11:55 AM
14

i think the phrase was "douche nozzle"

zexy!

Posted by michael strangeways | March 27, 2008 11:57 AM
15

OMG DAN HATES BLOGS!

wtf?

Posted by seattle98104 | March 27, 2008 12:00 PM
16

Aw, they're just being uppity.

Posted by Hernandez | March 27, 2008 12:01 PM
17

If you're bad then I don't want you to be right.

Posted by Ivory | March 27, 2008 12:07 PM
18

They're just jealous, Dan. Even if you were wrong in 2000.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 27, 2008 12:07 PM
19

jamie lee is right this is why people view feminism as a joke; they attack savage for dismissing rape when he was dismissing the entire letter and the pea brains fly into a rage when thry can't distinguish the two. I bet they also claim not voting for hillary is mysogonist.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | March 27, 2008 12:09 PM
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jamie lee is right this is why people view feminism as a joke; they attack savage for dismissing rape when he was dismissing the entire letter and the pea brains fly into a rage when thry can't distinguish the two. I bet they also claim not voting for hillary is mysogonist.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | March 27, 2008 12:11 PM
21

Will Jezebel be placed on the Enemy of Slogs roll now? And by the way, has anyone gone to the These Douchebags site? Holy jesus. Go. Now.

Posted by heywhatsit | March 27, 2008 12:12 PM
22

Dan-

It really is a hot picture. They can't hate you THAT much....

Posted by Rachel | March 27, 2008 12:15 PM
23

Bahahaha. I love the blind rage flowing out of Jezebel. Dare I say hysteria?

Posted by RGW | March 27, 2008 12:16 PM
24

Can I just point out that I defended you to them? Obviously you don't hate blogs.

And Moe can get REEEALLY worked up sometimes. Slut Machine and Dodai are the best.

Posted by Jessica | March 27, 2008 12:31 PM
25

@19 - are they hiring? erica would flourish there.

Posted by some dude | March 27, 2008 12:40 PM
26

What is These Douchebags, @21? Are you talking about Hot Chicks With Douchebags? That is a favorite of mine.

Those Jezebel gals just need to get laid.

Posted by Fnarf | March 27, 2008 12:42 PM
27

Further quotes for future infamy:

So sad. I loved Dan Savage, too, but this characterization of feminists makes me very stabby.

You mean the characterization that's being enacted in so many of the responses?

Posted by Chris B | March 27, 2008 12:43 PM
28

Dan, reading those hateful comments about you makes me love you even more than before!!!

And I don't think that I have ever before been so grateful to be gay. The thought of spending my life (and my money) with bitches like those at Jezebel would be enough to drive me to slit my wrists!

Oh, and how stupid is it to claim that "Savage just hates blogs" when he has one of his own? COME. ON.

Posted by Jonathon | March 27, 2008 12:46 PM
29

"The characterization that feminists are violent when they perceive a mischaracterization makes me want hurt someone"
- a feminist

Posted by Bellevue Ave | March 27, 2008 12:49 PM
30

@28 "And I don't think that I have ever before been so grateful to be gay"

We get jealous occasionally ...

Posted by anonymous_straight_guy | March 27, 2008 1:03 PM
31

Oh please, everyone just chill.


Most of Moe's rants are only semi-serious, and she's frequently hee-larious.

Her recent 'fuck you, Wall Street' post is one for history books.


http://jezebel.com/369447/dear-ben-really-next-time-f-wall-street%20


And to be fair, most of the Jezbians were defending Dan in the comments.

Posted by Original Andrew | March 27, 2008 1:05 PM
32

original andrew---i think they prefer the term "lezebels"

this was a matter of rss feeds colliding for me. i read through it all and decided to go with dan on this one--and now that i've read comments from each page, its obvious i made the right decision. jezebel should stop getting their panties twisted all the time and stick with the catty comments about pop culture.

Posted by erin | March 27, 2008 1:11 PM
33

And a self-important man, too.

Posted by MiMi I. Lookatme | March 27, 2008 1:12 PM
34

@31, you're totally right, that's accurate and very clever. $21 billion in bonuses at Goldman, funny how the mortgage scandal waited just long enough for those to be paid.

Posted by left coast | March 27, 2008 1:25 PM
35

goldman sachs also didnt stick it's dick into the subprime world. kudos to goldman.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | March 27, 2008 1:28 PM
36

Pull up a chair, cuz it's a cat fight bitches! ROAR!!

And I don't care who you are, you can't hate on the Pot Psychology.

Posted by UNPAID BLOGGER | March 27, 2008 1:33 PM
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left coast @ 34,


Ha ha, I know! She managed to very eloquently reflect my feelings on this whole, insane Wall Street feeding frenzy and Bernanke's socialization (bailout) of the Hypocrisy Olympics Gold-Medal-Winning Billionaire Boys Club's losses:


"So fuck the Street, Ben Bernanke; just this once, just for, like, a quarter or something. You don't have to play rough; I'm not asking you to nationalize any industries or institute land reform or anything, just give them a little scare.


They chose this path, you know. They chose to worship Ayn Rand and wear those Paul Smith shirts and pay zero money down on their Hamptons summer homes and obnoxiously, whenever confronted by someone like myself at a bar, claim that the Market Solves Everything. Let the market solve this one for them. People are eating dirt for dinner in Haiti, Ben Bernanke; you can let Bear Stearns go to bankruptcy court."

Posted by Original Andrew | March 27, 2008 1:41 PM
38

Originating loans is obviously not the only way to be involved. The hedge funds are really driving the volatility and the SEC has no information on what's going on. The lack of any regulation on entities controlling the markets and the size of the losses at play makes me nervous.

Posted by left coast | March 27, 2008 1:42 PM
39

John Cena is a Bad, Bad Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lKuoF3qz-w

Posted by PdxRitchie | March 27, 2008 1:47 PM
40

Eh, I thought Dan was a little harsh in his column. Abby's response was totally moronic, and if she believed the letter was real, I think it's fine to take her to task on it, regardless of whether it actually was or not.

And taking Jezebel to task for not acknowledging the letter might be fake just seemed sort of superfluous to me.

Posted by mscanard | March 27, 2008 2:04 PM
41

It sounds like Moe was saying this all very tongue in cheek guys. I don't think she hates Dan or thinks Dan hates blogs. If she was righteously pissed at Dan she would have written a righteous post. That post was just funny and silly.

Posted by arduous | March 27, 2008 2:39 PM
42

Original Andrew, thanks for that article of Moe's. That was effin hysterical.

Come on, Dan. She can't be that bad. She hates on Ayn Rand!

Posted by arduous | March 27, 2008 2:43 PM
43

Content specifics aside, I love the way the dates on Moe's e-mails tell a little story. On March 25, she sends two messages in six minutes. She's pissed at Dan Savage. "Whatever dude," she writes in haughty dismissal. But she can't dismiss him. She can't stop thinking about him. The next day, March 26, the annoyingness of Dan Savage is still gnawing her, so she shoots off three more messages in less than an hour. "Dan Savage, fuck you," she says. An eloquent sendoff, but Dan continues to inhabit her thoughts. Damn him! DAMN HIM! She wants to stop thinking about him, stop writing about him, stop having imaginary conversations with him wherein she verbally bitch slaps him, but she can't, she can't, she just can't stop herself. Twelve hours later, at 10:04 p.m., she's still at it. Still thinking about it. She pulls out her BlackBerry and in a final, desperate attempt to excorcise Dan from her thoughts, writes "Aaaack! Fuck fan [sic] savage!"


Betcha she's still stewing about Dan Savage.


On a somewhat related note, I wonder if trolls like Anne Coulter get some sort of jollies from whipping people into states like Moe's? I suspect they do. (And no, I'm not saying Dan is a troll. Dan may have some inflammatory viewpoints, but unlike Anne Coulter etc., he doesn't spew hate.)

Posted by Kalakalot | March 27, 2008 2:57 PM
44

Content specifics aside, I love the way the dates on Moe's e-mails tell a little story. On March 25, she sends two messages in six minutes. She's pissed at Dan Savage. "Whatever dude," she writes in haughty dismissal. But she can't dismiss him. She can't stop thinking about him. The next day, March 26, the annoyingness of Dan Savage is still gnawing her, so she shoots off three more messages in less than an hour. "Dan Savage, fuck you," she says. An eloquent sendoff, but Dan continues to inhabit her thoughts. Damn him! DAMN HIM! She wants to stop thinking about him, stop writing about him, stop having imaginary conversations with him wherein she verbally bitch slaps him, but she can't, she can't, she just can't stop herself. Twelve hours later, at 10:04 p.m., she's still at it. Still thinking about it. She pulls out her BlackBerry and in a final, desperate attempt to excorcise Dan from her thoughts, writes "Aaaack! Fuck fan [sic] savage!"


Betcha she's still stewing about Dan Savage.


On a somewhat related note, I wonder if trolls like Anne Coulter get some sort of jollies from whipping people into states like Moe's? I suspect they do. (And no, I'm not saying Dan is a troll. Dan may have some inflammatory viewpoints, but unlike Anne Coulter etc., he doesn't spew hate.)

Posted by Kalakalot | March 27, 2008 2:57 PM
45

what a CUTE pic, Dan! send that to your mother, STAT!

Posted by scary tyler moore | March 27, 2008 2:59 PM
46

@43 (& 44) I interpreted that she sent an e-mail about it whenever a reader wrote into them about it (perhaps forwarding the reader's email with her comments?). If you read the first part of the post, that's what it seems like.

Posted by mscanard | March 27, 2008 3:42 PM
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Re: #12 (Jamie-Leigh)

But seriously, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE FEMINISTS! This is why people don't take feminists seriously.

And that is unfortunate. I don't take that brand of "feminism" seriously any more than I take televangelists seriously. Well, okay, there's a problem there, I admit. Televangelists are influential. Jezebel? Not so much. On the one hand, the blog preaches to the choir. To the other, it stirs up shit for ratings. Few, if any, will come along, read one of those self-centered whine and cheese sessions, and think, "By golly-gumdrops, Jezebel is right!"

The sad thing is that people who hate feminists in general for Jezebel's particular brand of bullshit are applying a desperate fallacy that since one feminist is wrong, that one feminist must be representative of all feminists.

We'd be slightly less inaccurate to suggest that all men are rapists. Or that all Americans are murderous, lying thieves. Or that all Christians are child abusers. But "slightly less inaccurate" cannot, in any of these cases, be taken to mean "accurate".

There's no point in my shouting, "Fuck Jezebel!" The cruelest thing would be to just ignore it.

Posted by bd | March 27, 2008 4:27 PM
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@46: You know, I think you're right. Oops. (And to think I used to be a standout in reading comprehension.) I'll spare you my imagined blow-by-blow of Moe's thoughts as reader response after reader response rolls in ...


And my apologies for the double post. I swore it would never happen to me, but here I am, a shame-faced double poster.

Posted by Kalakalot | March 27, 2008 4:49 PM
49

Um, I'd like to question a basic premise about Jezebel. While there may have been a time when it was a feminist blog, it ain't now. It's a celebrity gossip, fashion, pop culture site which is geared towards, and written by, women. That in no way makes it feminist. And while I enjoy reading it occasionally, I don't look to it for on point criticism or political or social commentary.

Posted by Melissa | March 27, 2008 6:24 PM
50

Hates you yet chooses to use an outstanding photo!

Posted by Non | March 27, 2008 6:29 PM

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