2008 Pre-Spinning Texas and Ohio
posted by March 3 at 10:15 AM
onAs anyone who’s watched the Democratic debates knows, Hillary Clinton doesn’t do hypotheticals. But her spokesman sure does.
Here, via Ben Smith, is some hypothetical pre-positioning from a conference call today with Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson:
“Let’s say we do win in Texas and Ohio,” he said. “Then we will be able to say that we’ve won Texas, Ohio, New York, California, Massachusetts, Arkansas, Tennessee, New Mexico, and Arizona, a diverse set fo states from coast to coast, north, south, east, and west, red and blue.”“Senator Obama came into Ohio and Texas with every possible strategic advantage. He outspent us massively. His allies outspent us massively . He and his allies have declared the race over so many times I can’t even count,” he said, hypothetically. “And despite that we have been successful.”
“If he can’t compete with us on who can be commander-in-chief, who can be a steward of this economy, he can’t compete with John McCain on these issues,” he said.
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Better that she stays in longer anyway. It drives up Democratic turnout and participation.
Speaking as a Clinton supporter, isn't the problem with this argument that it's pretty clear she's going to lose Texas?
Karl Rove thinks it is better if Hillary stays in longer too.
Hmmm. As recently as a month ago, Clinton was leading Obama by 2-to-1 in Ohio, and had a 20-pt lead in Texas. So, given the demographics of these states, she should have big victories. That said, she will win 3 of the 4 states tomorrow, and the race continues. I don't see the two camps reconciling before the November vote. There is too much hate. Sadly, McCain will be the next President.
I'm an Obama supporter, but came into this race with a lot of respect for Clinton. She and her campaign people have managed to chip away most of that respect, with their increasingly negative attacks and poor-sport spins.
I''m sorry to say it, but fuck you Hillary. I hope you get your ass handed to you on a piece of Texas Toast tomorrow.
i can't remember obama declaring the race over even once.
Big Sven, as an Obama supporter, you can take heart in the fact that the pollsters are grossly under-representing the Hispanic vote. And, the GOP radio talking heads are urging their supporters, especially in Texas, to vote for Clinton to prolong the fight. McCain is low on cash. So, it is in their interest for the Dems to keep going.
didn't clinton start out the whole primary season with "every possible strategic advantage?" and then blew it all on a piss poor campaign? if she hasn't won by now, what does this argument say about the clintons' ability to compete with mccain on the issues?
ugh. even if she loses tomorrow, she's not going anywhere.
I wish I got paid to jerk off at 500 words at a time.
@7
You are a nameless hack.
Spin won't matter unless Clinton scores a blowout in Ohio or wins 3 of 4 states tomorrow. If neither happen her spokespeople will start to be shunned by the rest of the party. Obama's pledged delegate lead will be insurmountable and the party will have nothing to gain from her presence.
Take heart, Sven, it's not over yet. Hillary has Ohio in the bag. Texas is too close to call. This one's gonna be up for grabs until the convention, and a lot can happen in five months.
elenchos, unlike you, I am not in denial. I support Obama, but you can't deny the numbers. Here is a link to the polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
realclearpolitics.com?
You ARE a nameless hack! :o
I wish it was over. The problem is, what they are doing now has zero bearing on what they will be doing if elected President.
A lot can happen in five months. But, most likely, McCain will benefit for two reasons. First, the negative attacks will take the steam out of the Dems and give Reps ammunition. Obama will have to go negative himself, and push away those who like his unity theme. Second, if Obama loses, McCain will pick up a large share of independents and moderate Republicans. If Hillary has this much trouble convincing Dems, she has no chance in a general election.
For all you Hillary supporters, remember, at least half of America already hates Clinton and what she stands for. McCain automatically has near 50% of the electorate, and will only have to fight for 1% if Hillary is the candidate. As opposed to battling with Obama for independents and moderate reps.
Hillary only wins if she stoops low, slings political mud, and McCain makes a mistake. A vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain.
In today's Seattle Times:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004256057_feminists03.html
Women fainting and swooning and becoming oh so feminine fickle. This is so Suthrun: 'wherevah ah mah smelling salts, Miz Scarlett?' This return to bovinity would have Bella and Shirley and Barbara rolling in their graves.
@16: Half of America hates Hillary and what she stands for.
Facts! Which half? And what does she stand for that's so hated? This is the sort of glittering generality that militates against her winning - it's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. And the punditocracy loves to regurgitate this sort of crap effectively cancelling out any imagined journalistic neutrality.
@17 - that's a gem.
I suggest Ms. Ewing approach Obama supporters and just tell them what moronic, brainwashed cult members they are, and how they need to get around the only logical, default choice - their candidate, who deserves to coast to the presidency 'cuz, y'know, it's time for a woman and all. I'm sure they'll see the light.
It's worked so well for Team Clinton so far.
I think that Sen Clinton should be able to pull off the 20 point leads she will need in both Texas and Ohio, as well as being competitive in RI and VT.
After all, that's what they were saying in mid-February.
Hmmm. We shall see. If she wins TX, she's still in the race.
Kerri@5 (prefacing my question with the statement that if anyone can show that Clinton or her staff released the Obama turban photos I'm switching my support to Obama), what is it about Clinton that pisses you off so much?
There has been much give and take in this race, but I feel that both candidates have run strong campaigns (Obama stronger, alas.) Nothing either candidate has done has weakened our chances in the fall; quite the contrary, Obama is (I think most supporters will admit) a much stronger debater for having sparred with HRC.
I wasn't aware that a 30 point deficit in the polls was an advantage. Erasing that is quite a feat. If he wins in Texas, it's a huge achievement.
we're losing so we're winning?
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