Sorry, anonymous, I'll make it up to you on Buy Nothing day. Wait, I can't buy you anything that day. :(
Gotta love the true believer.
I believe the alligators are our future.
Wow, Anonymous REALLY needs to get laid.
What does the "like the night skies of Mars" comment even mean? I don't think the Martian night time sky is very bright at all -- Mars' moons are relatively tiny and probably don't reflect much moonlight compared to ours. Phobos would look about a third the size of our Moon in the sky and Deimos would be like Venus, a bright star...
Thank heavens there's still someone out there telling it like it is, peering into our lives and finding us wanting. This is a service to our collective guilt.
it was too purposeless...."be more conscious!" seemed to be the goal.....
direct action should be targeted to a specific goal and decisionmaker so you can win or lose......
e.g., "US Steel should honor the 8 hour work day" or "we will deliver our plastic bags to The City Council offices every week, until they ban plastic shopping bags!"
Because turning your lights off for one hour is really going to offset that full tank you just purchased for your VW van.
I think "sip on urine" would've been a better closer than "slip on urine".
this very logical and critical chance to make a difference
oh noes we missed the one and only chance to make a difference. we're all screwed!
anonymous needs to go burn down a house or something.
Aw, don't mind him; he's just tired from picking up all those feathers after the pillow fight.
I hadn't even heard of this Earth Hour thing.
maybe in the street of dreams
The hour off is nothing but an enviro-religion performing ritual. Any person who believes that turning off the power for one hour does anything to "save the planet" is not only naive, but out of touch with reality. If you believe that, you might as well believe that God will save humanity and the earth, so why worry.
How about this, save electricity everyday! One hour of one day of one year is insignificant ritualistic B.S. Better yet, do everyone a favor and opt out of society and refuse to use electricity ever. You and your brethren's sacrifice will more than offset our power use. You'll be instrumental in saving mother earth. Hallelujah!
So you turned out your lights for one hour. That means the 20% of residual heat from the lights was not there causing your furnace or electric heaters to kick in to compensate for the heat loss due to the lights not being on.
Some might think they saved energy but if you are not going to turn down the thermostat at the same time then you are doing nothing or at the least very little.
It is a good to draw attention to these things but when it comes to doing the energy savings math of different buildings you need to approach the energy consumption problem from many angles. Buy all the florescent bulbs you want you are only going to take away the 20% of heat regular bulbs produce which will be compensated by heaters once the thermostat registers %20 loss of heat from bulbs.
Also hoping people die because they do not turn off the lights is a big energy waster. Dead people never turn the lights off.
#16 is correct. Folks who turned off the power for an hour and thus, their heat, on a very chilly day, ended up WASTING power because they had to re-heat their house.
when you peel away the facade of peace love and understanding, those hippies are some angry ass motherfuckers.
the fixation about URINE is most interesting, hmmmmm
flood time, the rivers are full, hydro plants are maxing out, we do get very clean energy here
of course extra hydro can be sold, sometimes
I did not turn off the lights, I was busy sorting the paper, cans, bottles and sending all organic waste to the compost, diligent recycling of my own and the gutters and my office - every paper scrap, and can or bottle
drama queens who are thinking URINE all the time are not good role models to the public
I'm on a million enviro lists and though I heard through the press that something like this was going on, I don't think many local groups got on board. I (like a lot of people) would have done it if I knew more details. I wonder if bitchy I, Anonymous emailed all the contacts they had about the event beforehand.
#16 is a dumbass. Following this logic, I should turn on all my lights in the winter; what the hell -- I should probably replace those pesky fluorescent bulbs with 120W incandescents. Because the more lights I have on, the more I'll keep my house warm, and the more energy I'll save, right?
#11 - good chuckle - but don't push the idea - true believers can go to that extreme
you are the dumb ass - cheap kilowatt rates and heat from lights do make economic sense in the winter if the home is all electric
talk to city light
Here in the PAC NW we have our own version of Earth hour every winter. They're called windstorms and do more to knock down power consumption for multiple hours on multiple days than any "earth Hour" will achieve..lol..;)
I wonder if anyone's done the carbon saving calculations on those? "sarcasm off"
Wait, you mean residential light usage is not the biggest contributor to global warming and that turning off our lights for one hour will not save the planet. The hell you say. /sarcasm
I ignored earth hour like I ignore buy nothing day, stupid email forwards about not buying gas on Tuesdays, and other damn ass nonsense. There are meaningful things one can do to help the environment, but cheap tricks are not one of them. self satisfaction may be that cheap, but real change is not.
True, Brian@24... the 'Erev Hannukah' storm had my family freezing in the dark for SIX DAYS. Winter camping in our own house. Even our guinea pig was cold.
@21 Uhh yeah. It is very inefficient to cool down and reheat your house over and over again. That's why when you leave your house, you should only turn down your heat, not turn it off completely. Stop being such a dumbass, and look it up.
And the Earth Hour thing was a cute little stunt, but it wasn't very well publicized around these parts. You can hardly blame people for not participating in all the random little days various organizations insist we all celebrate. It gets confusing after awhile.
Did "Fuck you and slip on urine" come from one of those random insult generators? I am curious though, setting aside the debate as to whether the earth hour helped or not, why it wasn't more widely publicized in Seattle considering we're usually such a hotbed of environmental righteousness.
Wasn't on any of the local news ...
Using power = harming the environment?
The question really is how to use all the power we want and more from clean energy sources, like nuclear.
Apparently we were not the only ones.
By that logic, you shouldn't turn down the heat at all when you leave.
Sorry folks, you do save some energy when you turn off the heat. To bust out some science, the amount of energy you lose due to radiation is proportional to the temperature difference to the fourth power. The lower the temperature difference, the lower the rate of heat loss. It's just not that big of an effect.
Hey, guys, it was on Google, fer chrissakes. Their page was black for an hour. Uses less juice than white, or so I'm told. If it was really such a good idea, you'd think they'd do it all the time.
You gotta admit, too, that "a thousand volts worth of lamps" is an awful lot for one tiny little apartment. Not sure how they measured it from out on the street, but the rest of the screed was accurate, so I assume they did.
It was black all day.
I took one for the team and turned the hot tub down to 104 degrees from 105 for an hour.
@33: Actually, I think Google itself said that the colours a monitor displays doesn't really affect its power consumption, so its black page was meant as a symbolic gesture.
@36: Shit, I'm being a douche again.
PETA members have been known to throw red paint on fur wearers, maybe anonymous should carry a taser and give folks a good jolt when they appear to be over-consuming energy, that would be sure to win the hearts and minds of the general population.
Ha. Excellent idea, inkweary. ZAP!
Earth hour? Never heard of it. Rather than not use electricity for 1 hour during the entire year, I just have only 1 light on at a time in my apartment at night. I turn things off including the computer when I'm not using them.
I watch the news daily, read the news online daily so that guy who posted to I anonymous can kiss my dimly lit apartment ass because there obviously wasn't much mention.
Was everyone supposed to know about this, or something? What the fuck? When I invent MY day, I'm not going to be half as pissed as this guy when everybody shows up to work in pants.
The logic behind Earth Hour is hilariously flawed. Even if you turn off your lights the power is still being generated. Turning off your light does not equate to an immediate reduction in generation at a power plant, and here on the west coast where a large fraction of our energy is cleanly-generated (ie: hydroelectric) this is especially true.
Where we should be focusing our efforts is power consumption during the day, not at night. Peak consumption (you know, where a power plant would have to increase capacity to keep up with demand) occurs when everybody's at work, as many leave their appliances & climate control on at home as well.
Reducing our peak consumption (for good, not for an hour) is the way to reduce the environmental impact of current power generation.
Conservation all-around allows more homes and businesses to be powered by the same facilities, however, reducing the need for new generating stations.
@33&36 - On LCD displays, it requires the same amount of energy to display a white/black pixel. On CRT displays, a white pixel requires the most energy to display.
That chick on the cell phone was totally me. You'd leave all your lights on too if your apartment had a mean old ghost of a mental patient named Toby who likes to throw things at your head in the dark when you can't see in time to duck.
Plus I just kind of don't care. So there :P
My friend participated in this. Of course, she came over here to get drunk during, so really she just turned out the lights when she left the house. (Oh yeah, and then she drove over in her mid-sized luxury car.)
But hey, as long as it makes her feel better and fills her with a false sense of accomplishment...
Magic alligators would probably be the most effective solution to many of our problems.
We replaced the heat from our lights with candles. But the energy used to make those candles...oh well, the kids enjoyed it; we played board games.
Strictly speaking, all residential units in the U.S. get basically 240 volts service, delivered on two 110 volt legs. Depending on the size of your service, you could have thousands of WATTS of lighting igniting your apartment like the night skies of Mars. But I've never been to Mars, so I can't really say.
Nifty new comment format, by the way. I'm stuck in Iowa and haven't gotten on the internets much. We don't have that many tubes over here in Steve King's district.
At the treatment center I work at, we have half an hour of news, where they covered how Sydney and some other cities were going black.
The residents really, really wanted to participate... "for the sack of the environment!" Forget that turning off the power also meant all the alarms on their doors would be disarmed... and then they could attack staff in the dark and create a full on riot.
Yeah. We kept the lights on. I know, I'm a selfish prick, but darn it, I wanna live.
I'm with #40. Turning off your power for one hour is dumb when you already have extremely low consumption. I run my thermostat at about 55 to keep my plants alive, always just wear a fleece or sweatshirt, and I think I get heat from the apartment below me anyway. I never use lights in my bedroom, ever, and rarely in the bathroom. I berely even use lights in my living room, because two widescreen LCDs keep it lit enough for my taste. If I really need to read something on my desk or on the couch, I turn on one 75W lamp. When I'm in my kitchen, and it's sufficiently dark out, and I'm doing more than getting water or something from the fridge, I turn on a bank of three 75W bulbs. I do run a 750W power supply 24/7, but it's never even close to fully utilized. My city light bill for my last billing cycle (Jan 15 to Mar 15) was $30. I didn't even break into the second pricing tier.
So, yeah, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that I use less power than this douchebag.
I can't help but be amused by people who say "volts" when they're really talking about "watts". 1000V by itself doesn't mean shit. Lamps don't even HAVE voltages, the fucking power source does. I have, oh, 10 wall sockets in my apartment at 110V each for 1100V total, so that means I'm using more power than red dress woman? What a dumbass.
Thanks, that is all.
i think he's referencing but misquoting the xmas song silent night: "slip in heavenly piss." In this case the song would be 'invisible night'
The problem with saving energy goes far beyond just turning out your lights. Like I mentioned earlier turning out your lights just creates situation where your thermostat in your home will register the 20% heat not being generated by your house lights and it will compensate for it therefore using energy.
So what needs to be understood is each home or building has a different set of circumstances that need to be considered when trying to save energy. An old home built in 1910 will have bad insulation compared to a contemporary home built this year so each home would have to be approached differently when trying to save energy.
Turning of lights sounds like a positive way of saving energy but really it just buys into a simplistic vision that politicians use to buy new votes it is a trend that is not well thought out. Buy all the florescent bulbs you want but try to consider what is going to compensate for the heat your old bulbs generated or you will not save that much energy.
If you live in Australia using florescent bulbs are a great idea because it is hot most of the time all year round. So having florescent bulbs would not add to the heat of your house as much. But in the winter in Seattle heat is needed in your home and you have to consider that old incandescent bulbs do two things they not only produce light they produce heat so getting rid of them in the winter only means your furnace will compensate for the other thing they produce other than light, heat.
In the summer those incandescent bulbs are adding heat you do not need in your home so florescent bulbs would be better but in the winter the incandescent bulb is adding to the comfort of your home. Remove them and your furnace will compensate for the heat you are not thinking about.
So it is far more complicated than just turning off the lights.
Great to be conscious but saving energy is not something solved easily.
Maybe, just maybe? The entire post is so freaking intense, because it was meant to spark a discussion? Thats just me. OH, and I agree with everything he/she says. Even the urine bit. Do, please, slip.
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