MC Rove knows what all of the educated Republicans know: we're all a bunch of fucking over-the-top emotional morons. If he isn't humoring the idea, he's sealing the deal.

This could well be true. Bush's approval took a dive during the Democratic primary debates in 2004, probably because so much news time was dedicated to Democrats bashing him. Perhaps it will depend on whether Obama and Clinton spend their time trying to out-do each other in bashing McCain and winning supporters, or whether they spend all their energy beating each other up.

Republicans speak truth when they say something anti-Clinton. It's all disingenuous deception when it's anti-Obama. See how that works?

Mrs.?

Why do I picture Rove as Skeletor or Cobra Commander?

It's the truth. A long nomination process for the Dems isn't inherently a bad thing, and could be a good thing even, though Clinton's tactics recently aren't helping.

Hint: the Hillary-supporter-persecution-complex thing is starting to really get annoying.

And yes, there is probably some truth to what Rove is saying. The guy is evil incarnate, but that doesn't mean he's stupid. Guy was smart enough to get Bush in office for two terms!

I'm not saying Hillary is persecuted. I'm saying many of you Obama supporters apply a double standard to what comes out of the mouths of Republicans.

Whereas Clinton supporters never listen to anything any Republican says, ever.

@5: I was thinking Rove is more Destro. And Mary Matalin is The Baroness.

That MC Rove bit is one of those things that I truly wish I could unsee. Every time you bring it up I want to die all over again.

Sens. Hillary "Out of the Republican Playbook" Clinton and Barack "I'm too good to be true" Obama know this. Which is why most of the debates focus on the minutia (e.g. campaign strategies, traditional experience vs. non-traditional experience), and playing up how the Republicans have damaged this nation.

The fact that the DNC finally has a solid and agreed upon platform before going into primaries says a lot. And you see it in the coverage. Television news networks who play this as a "America's Next Top President" like the gridlock, because it's tension, drama, and all the glitzy things that reality tv has had that they never could.

I saw this on Tuesday at our watch party. Both on MSNBC and CNN the majority of the clips were not Huckabee/McCain, but rather Clinton/Obama. The networks aren't going to leave something that has mobilized so many people to vote; it's already a story they don't have to sell.

What this means in terms of the "storyline" of the nomination bids, is McCain will get more desperate to get news attention. However, Rove is right when he says that the young Dems will feel extremely wounded if Clinton secures the nomination. On a apathetic, semi-rural college campus of 12,000+, I've heard more people interested in elections for once. I've also heard from a lot of people who felt betrayed by the 2004 election, that if Clinton secures the DNC bid, they're jumping ship to McCain. I can't say I'm far behind.

Karl Rove is master election puppeteer, how else could he get an idiot with a shitty resumé elected? He indeed knows what he's talking about, and is more right than we'd like to admit.

MC Rove is so played out. He hasn't put out a good album in years.

Hey!

That's totally what I said when I was on TV! I'm the Karl Rove of the Spitfire!

Or could it be Rove just watches The Stranger's "How Was It?" to steal all his ideas? Next they are going to steal my idea for a comedy version of Saturday Night Live.

Fuck you Rove! Get your own material!

Rove speaks truth here.

Even though Rove is a Traitor who hates America - in this one particular instance, he might be right.

But he'll try to muck it up by feeding the Clinton campaign negative attack material.

No. 13: If you really want to claim that mantle, then we all get to call you TurdBlossom....

come on now, sven. the democratic party is going to have to pull their shit together at some point. all this "clinton fans do this / obama fans do that" isn't helping anyone but the republicans.

that's your first mistake. your second one is never listening to anything the republicans have to say.

Sven, if Republicans say 2+2=4, they're not wrong. You can evaluate many of their assertions independent of the source's sliminess.

Shee-it. Three sheets to the wind and distracted trying to see down Kelly O's shirt (in the respectful way!) I'm still a step ahead of Turdblossom. Takes Rove two days to figure out what elenchos already knows on his worst day.

There's this awesome part where I riff on why it's better for the Democratic debate to continue. It was too awesome for TV so it got cut out. It's right before the bad part where I tried to answer a question about gay marriage that Meinert threw at me out of left field. I started drooling during that answer but other than that I kicked Karl Rove's ass.

There's a respectful way to look down Kelly O's shirt? Teach me.

Rove forgot one group. Blacks will stay home in droves. I'm certainly not inclined to vote for Clinton. But I will vote for Gregoire, etc.

brandon-

all this "clinton fans do this / obama fans do that" isn't helping anyone but the republicans

Well, we are still having a contest about who should be our candidate. But I will remember your sage words, for I seem to recall that at times you get pretty riled up about our two candidates as well.

But in the mean time, in the spirit of unity:

Clinton/Obama 2008!

fair enough, sven... but it should be about the CANDIDATES, not the people who support them. there is a difference.

and i'll see your dream ticket in hell.

I don't particularly hate Hillary, but I don't like her, either. Will hold my nose and vote for her, should it come to that.

But it's pretty fucking obvious that Hillary winning the nomination = Four More Years of the dark ages we've been enjoying, under Chuckles McCain.

Relax, everybody.

KellyO is delightful and charming and we're all looking forward to Stranger Gun Night, sometime soon...

I think this Democratic race can be summed up in the words "BUILDS CHARACTER"