when in rome, do as the romans.
if american firms with american employees are so hot to grasp after saudi dollars, they have to live with medieval, misogynist saudi rules.
american businesswomen, too.
its not like its a secret that the entire male population is so scared of women they have to keep them locked up or on a leash. they even know about it on pitcairn island.
Pitcairn Island...
I just KNOW somebody's going to ask you to explain that one! (But not me - I've read BOTH books!)
@1: I was going to suggest that we bomb Saudi Arabia into the Stone Age, but I like your idea, too.
if freedom does not allow for religion, than it is not freedom.
if freedom does not have equality, then it is not freedom.
if freedom is without justice, then it is not freedom.
Is the US government doing anything to help this lady?
Nukes.
Just saying.
Oh wah! Some idiot broke local rules and got punished by the local authorities and then cried about it. Shocking.
I read in The Looming Tower that a lot of these religious "police" are ex-cons.
Kill them all and let Allah sort them out.
Pitcairn Island...OH that's the TV show with that little midget that screamed, "Deh Plane Deh Plane" right? I didn't know that TV show was based on a book.
Freedom doesn't require religion, it requires a populous with democratic ethics. Things like tolerance, responsibility, and a respect for legitimate authority.
If a religion breeds though then great, if not then the problem lies with the religion.
Re: "Oh wah! Some idiot broke local rules and got punished by the local authorities and then cried about it. Shocking."
Yes. Shocking. Because some laws are completely barbarically idiotic and should not be pandered to - these poeple broke the law too today, and are now being executed:
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20080206-117193/Iranian-faces-execution-for-drinking-alcohol
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1845704219
Would you say we shoulnd't decry the executions of these people who broke the law?
B?
Please remove that post before Mayor Nickels gets any ideas.
I am free and have no religion.
The friends I have that have religion always seem to be a slave to it. Constantly trying to justify their lives with religion. They are not free of it, ever.
Well - In George Washington's farewell address he mentions that it would be difficult to have morality without religion; but in his own defense he doesn't mention WHICH religion, a fact that Fundamentalists constantly overlook.
Seriously. Wacky & Wild.
I deal with Saudi Arabia a lot at work, and trust me, the woman being charged with a crime after she was raped, or this recent charming incident, aren't remotely isolated incidents. About one-third of the population of the country is migrant workers, mostly from India, Sri Lanka and the Philippines, and they aren't even covered by the law. It's literally legal to murder someone there, as long as you're a muslim and they're not.
Religion, especially "Christianity" make up whatever "morality" suites their financial and political goals. Take for example stem cell research. Nowhere in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt not research stem cells" or "cells in a petri dish are live humans and must be protected from any harm" But why not if this was a book written by "God"? And why don't "Christians" just say they will not seek any cures discovered with stem cells instead of stopping research altogether for everyone else? They cannot abide freedom. And because it is a "morality" newly minted for political purposes. If women were voting for or against the political leadership of Saudi Arabia you'd start to see real change, but that threatens the authority of the religious leadership so they are kept enslaved. Don't forget that "Christians" were solidly behind the enslavement of Africans and profited from it handsomely both here and in South Africa during aparthied. And the Bible was cited as requiring it in both cases.
"And why don't "Christians" just say they will not seek any cures discovered with stem cells instead of stopping research altogether for everyone else?"
Because, you know, they know best. Us poor heathens just aren't thinking clearly.
George Washington's farewell address clearly suggests that popular govt (democracy) cannot work without religion.
In fact, he also said,
"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ?"
You see, without religion, someone in the govt might have thought it was ok to take George Washington's slaves away.
George Washington was a poor general, a worse philosopher, and wise to delegate the operation of the first presidential administration to people who knew what they were doing.
As to why the religious police are mostly ex-cons in Saudi Arabia ... it's because if you can demonstrate you've memorized the Koran, you can get out of jail free.
No, I am NOT joking.
Nukes.
(with a warning so my high school friend from Trail BC can escape in time, used to have a crush on her)
Instead of "nukes" how about a U.N. with some balls?
@22. would those be nuclear balls? if so, i think they would be less effective.
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