Slog - Comments on Who Said "Freedom Requires Religion"? http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion Oh, right: This idiot. Someone need to let Mitt know that freedom is on the march in Saudi Arabia: A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh. Yara, who does not want her last name published for fear of retribution, was bruised and crying when she was freed from a day in prison after she was strip-searched, threatened and forced to sign false confessions by the Kingdom's “Mutaween” police.... Copyright 2008 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:33:36 -0800 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:38:49 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by max solomon when in rome, do as the romans.

if american firms with american employees are so hot to grasp after saudi dollars, they have to live with medieval, misogynist saudi rules.

american businesswomen, too.

its not like its a secret that the entire male population is so scared of women they have to keep them locked up or on a leash. they even know about it on pitcairn island.

]]> max solomon http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927501 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927501 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:47:19 -0800 Comment by COMTE Pitcairn Island...

I just KNOW somebody's going to ask you to explain that one! (But not me - I've read BOTH books!)

]]> COMTE http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927517 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927517 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:54:16 -0800 Comment by J.R. @1: I was going to suggest that we bomb Saudi Arabia into the Stone Age, but I like your idea, too.

]]> J.R. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927524 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927524 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:58:47 -0800 Comment by infrequent if freedom does not allow for religion, than it is not freedom.

if freedom does not have equality, then it is not freedom.

if freedom is without justice, then it is not freedom.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927552 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927552 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:08:15 -0800 Comment by JD Is the US government doing anything to help this lady?

]]> JD http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927560 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927560 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:12:27 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Nukes.

Just saying.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927586 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927586 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:31:03 -0800 Comment by Smegmalicious Oh wah! Some idiot broke local rules and got punished by the local authorities and then cried about it. Shocking.

]]> Smegmalicious http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927589 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927589 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:33:49 -0800 Comment by scojomojo I read in The Looming Tower that a lot of these religious "police" are ex-cons.

]]> scojomojo http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927617 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927617 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:48:47 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Kill them all and let Allah sort them out.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927627 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927627 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:53:49 -0800 Comment by Sargon Bighorn Pitcairn Island...OH that's the TV show with that little midget that screamed, "Deh Plane Deh Plane" right? I didn't know that TV show was based on a book.

]]> Sargon Bighorn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927685 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927685 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:53:56 -0800 Comment by Giffy Freedom doesn't require religion, it requires a populous with democratic ethics. Things like tolerance, responsibility, and a respect for legitimate authority.

If a religion breeds though then great, if not then the problem lies with the religion.

]]> Giffy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927721 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927721 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:35:04 -0800 Comment by B Re: "Oh wah! Some idiot broke local rules and got punished by the local authorities and then cried about it. Shocking."

Yes. Shocking. Because some laws are completely barbarically idiotic and should not be pandered to - these poeple broke the law too today, and are now being executed:

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20080206-117193/Iranian-faces-execution-for-drinking-alcohol
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1845704219


Would you say we shoulnd't decry the executions of these people who broke the law?

]]> B http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927858 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927858 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:08:48 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV B?

Please remove that post before Mayor Nickels gets any ideas.

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927875 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927875 Religion Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:41:35 -0800 Comment by -B- I am free and have no religion.
The friends I have that have religion always seem to be a slave to it. Constantly trying to justify their lives with religion. They are not free of it, ever.

]]> -B- http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927886 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927886 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:05:01 -0800 Comment by Colton Well - In George Washington's farewell address he mentions that it would be difficult to have morality without religion; but in his own defense he doesn't mention WHICH religion, a fact that Fundamentalists constantly overlook.

]]> Colton http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927901 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927901 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:13:45 -0800 Comment by FanoDan Seriously. Wacky & Wild.

]]> FanoDan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927908 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927908 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:52:10 -0800 Comment by Rottin' in Denmark I deal with Saudi Arabia a lot at work, and trust me, the woman being charged with a crime after she was raped, or this recent charming incident, aren't remotely isolated incidents. About one-third of the population of the country is migrant workers, mostly from India, Sri Lanka and the Philippines, and they aren't even covered by the law. It's literally legal to murder someone there, as long as you're a muslim and they're not.

]]> Rottin' in Denmark http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927911 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927911 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:17:50 -0800 Comment by Vince Religion, especially "Christianity" make up whatever "morality" suites their financial and political goals. Take for example stem cell research. Nowhere in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt not research stem cells" or "cells in a petri dish are live humans and must be protected from any harm" But why not if this was a book written by "God"? And why don't "Christians" just say they will not seek any cures discovered with stem cells instead of stopping research altogether for everyone else? They cannot abide freedom. And because it is a "morality" newly minted for political purposes. If women were voting for or against the political leadership of Saudi Arabia you'd start to see real change, but that threatens the authority of the religious leadership so they are kept enslaved. Don't forget that "Christians" were solidly behind the enslavement of Africans and profited from it handsomely both here and in South Africa during aparthied. And the Bible was cited as requiring it in both cases.

]]> Vince http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927944 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c927944 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:19:33 -0800 Comment by Toby "And why don't "Christians" just say they will not seek any cures discovered with stem cells instead of stopping research altogether for everyone else?"

Because, you know, they know best. Us poor heathens just aren't thinking clearly.

]]> Toby http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928058 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928058 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:51:12 -0800 Comment by Quinn George Washington's farewell address clearly suggests that popular govt (democracy) cannot work without religion.

In fact, he also said,

"Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ?"

You see, without religion, someone in the govt might have thought it was ok to take George Washington's slaves away.

George Washington was a poor general, a worse philosopher, and wise to delegate the operation of the first presidential administration to people who knew what they were doing.

]]> Quinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928090 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928090 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:58:09 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle As to why the religious police are mostly ex-cons in Saudi Arabia ... it's because if you can demonstrate you've memorized the Koran, you can get out of jail free.

No, I am NOT joking.

Nukes.

(with a warning so my high school friend from Trail BC can escape in time, used to have a crush on her)

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928188 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928188 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:19:30 -0800 Comment by Vince Instead of "nukes" how about a U.N. with some balls?

]]> Vince http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928291 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928291 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:55:33 -0800 Comment by infrequent @22. would those be nuclear balls? if so, i think they would be less effective.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928570 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/who_said_freedom_requires_religion#c928570 Religion Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:38:49 -0800