Slog - Comments on Primary Pushing and Petition Passing http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa I woke up this morning to an email from a local Democratic source who'd seen all the Slog talk yesterday about Clinton dissing caucuses: Just saw your post on activist caucuses. I have it on good authority: The Clinton people have made Wash calls and are trying to push their supporters big time to vote in the primary—hoping for a different outcome to diminish caucus blow out. This also gives the super delegates cover. And here's another email I woke up to, this one concerning those superdelegates who might be in need of cover: Please read and sign this petition... Copyright 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:45:18 -0800 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:54:25 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Nandor Wow - the Clintons really trying everything, aren't they? I'm going to guess the primaries will have a lot less turnout than the caucuses. If she wins a primary with less than 50% of the participants that the caucuses had, I'm guessing she won't have much of an argument.

]]> Nandor http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935020 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935020 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:54:25 -0800 Comment by Clint And if she loses the primary, she should drop out..

]]> Clint http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935022 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935022 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:56:53 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe A petition to change a senators mind on their endorsement? Classy. Pretty sure neither of them have put any thought into their decision, and nothing says "you're wrong" like a bunch of signatures.

Was the creator of the petition the same fuckhead who was telling people at the SCC not to forget to put Obama in their vote box?

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935023 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935023 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:56:54 -0800 Comment by Andrew You know, I like Obama but can deal/cope with Hillary if she gets the nomination. But if this candidate bickering keeps going the Democrats will effectively have shot any chance of winning in November. The GOP is now preparing for November and we are no where near ready.

Is anyone else worried at this point?

]]> Andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935024 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935024 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:57:25 -0800 Comment by Jason While I don't think superdelegates like Maria and Patty should be required to change their committment to Obama from Clinton merely because every single county in their state voted for Obama, I don't think it hurts to remind them of this fact. Encouragement, petitions, emails and phone calls to your senator is part of the democratic process, folks, and nothing to be ashamed of.

]]> Jason http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935026 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935026 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:01:58 -0800 Comment by Fnarf The GOP's not preparing for November; they're preparing for civil war. You think this mild, civilized sniping between Obama and Clinton is bitter? You must be very young. And you should see what the Republicans are saying about each other. Seriously, they're getting ready to spill some blood, and I couldn't be happier.

I think it's funny it's happening over Washington State, too -- bellwether of both old-fashioned moderate Dan Evans Republicanism and modern kook Kristian Ellen Craswell Republicanism. We're national leaders, baybee! Knives out!

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935027 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935027 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:02:43 -0800 Comment by cbc Last night on CNN they actually discussed the WA primary while discussing upcoming Dem constests. I don't know why they did this but maybe Hillary is going to try to make it into something.

]]> cbc http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935030 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935030 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:07:46 -0800 Comment by Julie Couldn’t the Senators keep their personal endorsement of Clinton and yet respect the wishes of the caucuses at the convention by voting for Obama? The wording on that petition asking them to change their endorsement threw me. Maybe I’m missing something here, but it seems perfectly reasonable to me for them to say, we think Clinton is better, but we’re deferring to the citizens of our state.

]]> Julie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935032 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935032 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:09:23 -0800 Comment by Nandor Andrew (@4) - I'm not worried, and neither should you be. There's a reason the general election is some 10 months away. This is the exact time when we should be bickering about the nominee. And as it is, all this Huckabee crap shows that the GOP has some internal problems as well.

If this crap is still going on in June, I'll be worried. But I'm not worried at all now.

]]> Nandor http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935034 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935034 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:10:56 -0800 Comment by Nandor As for the Cantwell/Murray thing - let's ditch the petition and wait a few more weeks. As the NY Times piece at http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/us/politics/12clinton.html?hp explains, we have ample reason to believe that if Obama keeps winning big, the superdelegates will follow.

]]> Nandor http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935040 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935040 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:15:51 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger If Hillary wins I am going to vote for a third party... along with many many other people.

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935043 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935043 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:19:50 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Yes, I have no doubt that some third party will arise and secure HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of votes. Good luck!

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935047 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935047 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:23:30 -0800 Comment by Original Monique I know lots of people who didn't know about the caucus or thought that they could just vote in the primary. And I'll be voting Clinton, and I wasn't able to caucus.

So I will be interested in the Primary results.

]]> Original Monique http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935051 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935051 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:26:15 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger @12, just enough to keep Hillary out of the White House...

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935052 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935052 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:26:49 -0800 Comment by annie You guys, seriously, don't participate in the D primary. That will only demonstrate that Washingtonians are dumb. Vote Huckabee!

]]> annie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935062 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935062 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:32:12 -0800 Comment by Andrew I remain hopeful that there will be a huge floor fight/riot in Denver. Something that will make 1968 in Chicago look mild and downright friendly.

THAT would be GREAT television!

]]> Andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935068 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935068 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:36:48 -0800 Comment by infrequent they should not tally the democratic primary votes. what end does it serve? it is not official, so many people will not vote. to speculate that some/most people think it is real is not valid. to use a big clinton win to say that the caucuses were wrong, or disenfranchised voters, is also unfounded. there is no reason for an obama supporter to vote in the primary. it will just create more unnecessary division in the party.

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935072 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935072 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:38:57 -0800 Comment by Mahtli69 Vote for Kucinich in the primary. You know you want to.

]]> Mahtli69 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935086 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935086 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:51:20 -0800 Comment by Alan Can anyone tell me... if I caucused on Saturday for the Dems, does that legally prevent me from voting in the Rep primary?

]]> Alan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935094 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935094 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:59:22 -0800 Comment by Mickymse @19, Yes, officially speaking, you sign an oath on the primary ballot that you won't/haven't done such a thing.

Also, I believe that the Republican Party has access to all voter information on those who choose to vote Republican in the primary.

But I can't imagine the two parties are going to get together and share their lists with each other, do you?

]]> Mickymse http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935108 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935108 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:09:17 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle @19 - yes. Legally you could even go to jail. Or, if lucky, be fined a few hundred dollars.

Sorry.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935111 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935111 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:10:56 -0800 Comment by Geni Since the primary ballot doesn't matter, I chose to vote for the candidate I really want. I wrote in Al Gore.

]]> Geni http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935134 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935134 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:29:36 -0800 Comment by infrequent that would be hilarious if gore won the dem primary vote!

]]> infrequent http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935305 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/two_tips_primary_pushing_and_petition_pa#c935305 2008 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:54:25 -0800