Slog - Comments on Three Surprises http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises 1) Mike Huckabee: WTF? 2) Hillary just took New York by a HUGE margin: Probably not surprising in most of the country, but certainly a shock here in Obamamad Seattle, where nine out of ten people I know are rooting for the Great Inspirer. Here at Moe Bar, where Stranger HQ is in the back corner, the room is absolutely jammed with Obama supporters; when CNN announced Clinton's NYC victory, I think three of us applauded. Obama just won Delaware's, what? one delegate?, and the room exploded with applause. 3) This actually feels exciting -- it's such a huge contrast... Copyright 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:12:31 -0800 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:31:35 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by umvue In every state, Obama takes the evangelical dem vote.

]]> umvue http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925619 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925619 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:15:26 -0800 Comment by X-intern Go Hills!

]]> X-intern http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925624 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925624 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:16:29 -0800 Comment by tsm Don't worry, ECB - I'm sure Hillary's team will find a way to stymie our vote here in Seattle. There are more important voters to count, after all, like the ones in Michigan.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925625 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925625 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:16:29 -0800 Comment by kim holy crap msnbc called massachusettes for hillary! woooooot!

]]> kim http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925637 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925637 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:19:10 -0800 Comment by erika Re: "Mike Huckabee: WTF?" - did you mean on his wins, or just in general? Because I say that every time I see him on TV.

]]> erika http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925638 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925638 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:19:22 -0800 Comment by Fnarf I think Clinton underperformed in New York. She was supposed to win 70-30; it's more like 60-40 right now.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925674 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925674 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:25:43 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave dude, in the exit poll in NY; she lost among white independents.

i am seeing a message; she can win with democrats, she is struggling with indies.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925685 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925685 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:27:29 -0800 Comment by Christian How "HUGE" is Hillary's margin in New York compared to Obama's "HUGE" margin in Illinois?

]]> Christian http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925722 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925722 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:34:22 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty Hey, the way tonight's going, Obummer may even withdraw before the WA primary. Aw, shucks.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925732 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925732 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:36:12 -0800 Comment by gnossos Idaho and ND going for Obama in early returns?! That's WTF?

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925756 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925756 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:42:25 -0800 Comment by gnossos and NPR just called Kansas for Obama?

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925773 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925773 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:45:12 -0800 Comment by dw Hillary is romping on Obama in Oklahoma, currently leading in 76 of 77 counties, even leading in the university towns. In a few counties, Edwards is beating Obama pretty soundly.

Obama isn't winning the white Southern Democrats over from Edwards. Is this his Achilles heel?

]]> dw http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925784 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925784 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:47:12 -0800 Comment by Lynn Ward Let's start a email effort and persuade Obama to take the VP spot - god what a ticket.

I agree with the post about McCain willing to use nukes. He will.

Remember as well, he only recently decided the, yes, the polar cap is melting. Duh.

No computer skills, not even email? Duh.

Dangerous man.

]]> Lynn Ward http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925794 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925794 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:50:39 -0800 Comment by also Whoa, did ECB just cop to having an emotion other than "mad"?

]]> also http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925796 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925796 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:50:52 -0800 Comment by Ed Glad your a Democrat first, cause I won't be any longer if Clinton is the nominee. I'm sick of dirty tricks. I'd rather not be the new-GOP and deal with a Clinton representing me again.

]]> Ed http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925817 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925817 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:55:48 -0800 Comment by Ryan Fuck this sucks.

Hillary: When you say you want change but are too spineless to vote in favor of it. Way to go Democrats.

]]> Ryan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925818 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925818 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:56:05 -0800 Comment by Mark in Colorado It will be interesting to see how HRC, in the general election, makes up for losing liberal democrat males such as myself or independent males who can't stand her. Are there enough women and latinos to compensate? Hitler could be running against her and I still wouldn't vote for her.

]]> Mark in Colorado http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925820 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925820 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:56:18 -0800 Comment by NaFun ECB - that's what we thought, too. re: Huckabee.

Where ya at?

]]> NaFun http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925834 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925834 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:59:46 -0800 Comment by tsm God, the thought of possibly having to align myself with unbelievably obnoxious one-note Baby Boomer fossils like Robin Morgan is enough to make me want to tear all the flesh off my face.

Well, it's hardly over yet.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925838 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925838 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:00:47 -0800 Comment by also @15, 16, 17:

Oh, come on. Grow up. If Hilary gets the nomination, you're going to, what? Throw a tantrum? Quit the party? Vote for McCain?

We all have preferences. Sometimes we don't get what we want. Adults -- hopefully including most Democrats -- learn to accept and work with second choices.

And, heck, even if everything goes Hilary's way today, it's far from over. No need to throw the toys out of the crib quit yet.

]]> also http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925840 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925840 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:01:44 -0800 Comment by Fitz At least she won't need to African American vote to win in Nov. McCain FTW!

]]> Fitz http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925851 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925851 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:03:52 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Uh, this is nowhere near over for Obama. He's lost a couple of states he was expected to lose. It's still tied. Count the delegates. We won't know anything until California, and probably not even then.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925866 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925866 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:08:00 -0800 Comment by tsm Yep, it's not over until California.

And then, if Obama loses big, it's over - both the primary and the general. Goddamn ... twelve straight years of Republican rule. This nation will be on life support.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925872 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925872 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:09:49 -0800 Comment by tsm ^ but only if he loses big. Again, it's not winner-take-all.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925878 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925878 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:11:09 -0800 Comment by Life is good Obama will finish his Senate term, then be a success in the private sector. Good luck to him and his family.

]]> Life is good http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925887 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925887 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:13:18 -0800 Comment by Mark in Colorado If Obama were to be stupid enough to accept being VP for HRC, I'd lose all respect for him and I still wouldn't vote for her. --from a proud liberal democrat, gay male, looking forward to not voting for her in the general election.

]]> Mark in Colorado http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925892 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925892 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:14:47 -0800 Comment by gnossos @ 23 & 24: there are still several very large and important states after today. Even if Obama comes out of tonight 150 to 200 delegates down he still has a shot at it. I doubt very seriously on what we've seen so far that today settles anything for the Dems.

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925896 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925896 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:16:17 -0800 Comment by Fnarf Will you fucking morons stop talking like Obama's lost?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925903 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925903 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:16:50 -0800 Comment by Get real @28: Perception is reality.

]]> Get real http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925910 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925910 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:19:14 -0800 Comment by Gabriel Erica - amen to your third comment. This IS exciting in a way that 2004 wasn't, regardless of the ultimate Dem nominee.

Also, what Fnarf @28 said. As long as California is in play tonight, it's ridiculous to jump to any conclusions. And even when you wake up tomorrow, it's still gonna be a contest. Enjoy it.

]]> Gabriel http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925923 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925923 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:21:00 -0800 Comment by Julie Huckabee. Fucking Huckabee. I thought he was going away. Just saw him give his speech in Arkansas, and damned does he suck.

]]> Julie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925924 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925924 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:21:14 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave also, what if democrats arent the ones voting for obama?

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925929 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925929 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:22:31 -0800 Comment by onion @17
GO FUCK YOURSELF, COLORADO.
That's ridiculous - comparing Hillary to HITLER? You highlight just how ridiculous this over-hyped and irrationally-founded Hillary-hatred is. So you really think that Hillary is as bad as murdering MILLIONS of people? Really?
You give Hillary-haters a bad name, Colorado.
C'MON people, Hillary is a decent candidate. So is Obama. If you favor Obama, that's fine. If you favor Hillary; fine too. It looks kinda bad for the Democrats that the supporters are getting so polarized. It's win win for democrats, especially when we compare it to any REPUBLICAN (yet not Nazi) alternative.

Actually, while Obama has been more or less cool on the smear tactics, his SUPPORTERS have been downright disgusting. I fear any candidate that can muster such thoughtless, dirty support.

]]> onion http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925954 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925954 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:31:20 -0800 Comment by Mark in Colorado @33
Can you read? I wrote: if Hitler was running against her. I did not write--she is like Hitler. Obviously that would be absurd. Let me also disabuse you of your assumption that I am an Obama supporter. I was an Edwards supporter.

]]> Mark in Colorado http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925987 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c925987 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:38:54 -0800 Comment by Fnarf If Clinton's winning, why hasn't she won more delegates than Obama? It's the delegates, people.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926037 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926037 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:52:58 -0800 Comment by also @34: You're right. You didn't say she was like Hitler. You said she was *worse* than Hitler. Just own it, apologize, and refrain from juvenile hyperbole in the future. It is the internet, after all.

@35: Salon is showing Clinton ahead in estimated delegates awarded today, 58 to 50. Of course today is far from done, and even when today is done the race won't be done.

]]> also http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926049 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926049 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:56:55 -0800 Comment by tsm I fear any candidate that can muster such thoughtless, dirty support.

This is just another variant of "Your candidate's mean supporters drove me to his/her opponent." Whatever. Childish.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926060 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926060 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:59:57 -0800 Comment by daniel Clinton's had some pretty unpleasant supporters as well. There was that NY state NOW thing. And that's not even an internet troll.

]]> daniel http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926114 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926114 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:29:10 -0800 Comment by daniel And speaking of trolls can we just not tar the candidates with the worst statements of their worst "fans"?

]]> daniel http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926117 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/three_surprises#c926117 2008 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:30:29 -0800 Comment by onion Ok no one is prolly reading this thread any more but I'm mad. Sorry for feeding a troll:
COLORADO @17 implied in his statement (in a hypothetical election where only Hillary and Hitler were candidates) that he would not vote for Hillary, which means he would vote for Hitler (unless he means he just wouldn't vote at all? which would be almost as bad).

To imply (thank you @36 for correcting me) that Hillary is *worse* than Hitler is A) either complete hyperbole or B)complete understatement of how bad the Holocaust really was. To imply the later is INSULTING TO HITLER'S VICTIMS.

I'm Jewish, and members of my family died because of Hitler.
And Ok @37, it's not what I really meant, it was just fear-inspired backlash. I don't fear Obama any more than I fear Hillary, but how bout I restate it?
I fear COLORADO.

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