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Thursday, February 14, 2008

Those Blue Posters All Over Town This Morning?

posted by on February 14 at 9:37 AM

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It’s the last gasp of the local Ron Paul campaign.

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1

actually a girlfriend of mine had this idea, only it was to promote mike gravels campagn

....were both cranks

Posted by whaleofashrimp | February 14, 2008 9:43 AM
2

Even though I'm a Democrat, I considered voting for Ron Paul just to fuck with Luke Esser. Would this be legal?

Posted by DOUG. | February 14, 2008 9:45 AM
3

I called it!

@2 - if you caucused with the Democrats, it seems that it would not be legal. Otherwise, knock yourself out. If this was just about annoying the GOP I'd go for Huckabee, though.

Posted by tsm | February 14, 2008 9:46 AM
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@2 - Only if you didn't caucus for the D's. When you vote you sign a pledge not to be involved in any other party's nominating process.

Posted by Levislade | February 14, 2008 9:47 AM
5

Trickery! If you already voted in the caucus and then try to vote in the republican primary, they will null both the votes, right?

Posted by SDizzle | February 14, 2008 9:50 AM
6

I thought the primary influenced the super delegates

Posted by Required Field | February 14, 2008 9:56 AM
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@5 - I don't think they're that organized.

@6 - I'm sure there will be a campaign to have the superdelegates take the primary into account, (as there has been one to have them take the caucus into account) but they are free to choose their own vote, and if the primary turnout is as low as I imagine it will be, they will probably ignore it.

Posted by Levislade | February 14, 2008 10:00 AM
8

Ron Paul is alright...

Too bad people got the narrative that he was a loon.

Posted by ecce homo | February 14, 2008 10:20 AM
9

Darn. I wish this was a REAL organization who wanted to do something about the stupid process the Democrats have for primary and caucuses. Does anyone know of a real organization that will help us change the current system? It sucks!

Posted by Suz | February 14, 2008 10:20 AM
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If you participated in the Dem caucus this is illegal - if not, it's your call.

But Ron Paul is a loon. Even if he's more of a conservative than any of the other people running for the GOP nomination for President.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 14, 2008 10:26 AM
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Yes, Ecce, I'm not surprised that you think it's a shame that David Duke is the kiss of death.

Posted by Fnarf | February 14, 2008 10:39 AM
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@9 You can check blackboxvoting.org
under the tool kit area for some ideas in starting a group in your area.

Blackbox deals with election fraud but some of the principals can apply to starting your own organization.

Unfortunately most of the slog posts critical of Paul is that of smirking, laughing and playgorund bullying rather than policy or issues.

Posted by Bald Face Lie | February 14, 2008 10:39 AM
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Gotta say it ... that domain name is the epitome of "truth in advertising".

Posted by N in Seattle | February 14, 2008 10:45 AM
14

Hee hee!

Posted by Fnarf | February 14, 2008 10:47 AM
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@10, can you site the source showing that "this is illegal"? I know the Dems don't encourage the practice, but I haven't heard that it's illegal.

Posted by stinkbug | February 14, 2008 10:59 AM
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@15 - you signed a legal oath when you participated in the Dem caucus. You swore (legally binding under our election law in this state) an oath that you would not participate in the GOP or other party primary this year.

Nobody made you sign in.

Same goes if you participated in the GOP caucus - you can't vote in the Dem primary either.

I didn't make the rules.

When you sign the ballot for the State Primary, you will see clear language that says you are signing an oath that you did not participate in the other party's caucus.

Basically, you legally bound yourself - twice.

Comprende?

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 14, 2008 11:14 AM
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Ummmmm, just a little problem with voting for Ron Paul -- except for the War, he is stark raving nutso.

Posted by Inconsistent voter | February 14, 2008 11:27 AM
18

From the ballot envelope directly above your signature:

"You must mark a party checkbox in order for your Presidential Primary vote to count. You may only select one party.

[box] The Democratic Party Oath:
I declare that I consider myself to be a DEMOCRAT and I will not participate in the nomination process of any other political party for the 2008 Presidential election."

Above that, we find "[...]falsely signing this oath is a felony punishable by a maximum imprisonment of five years, a maximum fine of $10,000, or both."

You signed the same oath when you checked in at the caucuses.

Do keep in mind that Republicans are famous for digging through records and challenging the voting rights of people.

Posted by Fnarf | February 14, 2008 11:28 AM
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@18

If someone votes at the polls how is the county going to know which ballot is theirs?

The ballot does not have any identifying features, correct?

Just curious.

Posted by passionateJus | February 14, 2008 11:53 AM
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Look, there're legal and there's illegal.

By sending in the Primary ballot you are signing a legal oath - it uses those words - that you have not participated in the other party's caucus.

Are you ethical?

Just because they aren't doesn't mean you shouldn't be.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 14, 2008 12:34 PM
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Seriously, have you not been to the polls before? You sign in before you get your ballot. You don't sign the ballot itself. The thing you sign contains the oath, and they keep it.

Posted by Fnarf | February 14, 2008 12:39 PM
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Most of us use these things called absentee ballots, Fnarf.

Regardless, it's illegal. Period.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 14, 2008 1:09 PM
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Yes, Will. Do try to keep up. You will see me quoting at length from an absentee ballot envelope in post number 18. Post number 21, which you failed to grasp the sense of, is a reply to post number 19, wherein passionateJus asks how they can tell which ballot you took if you vote at the polls.

Posted by Fnarf | February 14, 2008 1:33 PM
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Great, Fnarf, I'll send you chocolate cookies while you fight it out in court and then serve your jail term.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 14, 2008 3:03 PM
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@24: Are you offering to serve Fnarf's jail term, Will? Whotta guy!

Posted by J.R. | February 14, 2008 3:20 PM
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Will, you are the stupidest fucking person on the face of the earth. I've taken shits with better reading comprehension than you.

Posted by Fnarf | February 14, 2008 9:03 PM
27

I love the cheap shots on Ron Paul's mental stability. Why are there so many morons with opinions in this country? If you don't have something dealing w/ policy or logic, keep your mouth shut. This is prime place for public discourse yet you assholes just write off a man without even considering the ideas he stands for. My god, educate yourselves people.

There are no left or right winged people, there are only hypocrits. Grow up, wake up.

Posted by W.D. Charleston | February 19, 2008 11:00 AM

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