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with any luck he'll just pick up those gravel and ron paul voters...fingers crossed

Where's Squeaky Fromme when you need her ...

Do you really think he's a threat at this point?

@3 - I don't, but I really don't want to find out, do you?

I voted for him in 2000 - and I don't regret it - but this just makes me very sad and disappointed. The man should be - in fact is - a hero, and he's making himself (made himself?) into a joke and a pariah.

I've been meaning to watch that movie, thanks for the reminder.

Oh, and that movie is great!

I don't think he's a threat... And running again, especially in this election year, essentially makes him look the a GIANT douche.

Why is it that some people just can't see that it's time to call it a day and move on to something new?

74 year olds tend to be pretty tenacious. Somethin's gotta keep you going, but I feel kinda sad for someone that wouldn't rather live out their days in peace.

I keep hoping he'll do something completely bonkers, like hold a congressman hostage at the point of a gun or something, so his entire legacy will be shattered. He's a douchebag, full stop.

Ralph Nader's saved more lives than George W. Bush has taken. Calling him a "douchebag" is a display of ignorance.

Is Dan the only one that gives credit on these things?

DOUG- Do tell. How does your math work? Who did he save?

The only tough progressive to run for president in a decade and a half and yall are dissing him!

No, I won't vote for him this year... that's assuming the O-man wins the nomination, of course.

But if I end up with the choice between Nader and Hillary, damn, I'd be tempted.

He's a couple hundred days late and tens of millions of dollars short, of being much of a playa this time around.

He belongs on the list of gloryhound public figures with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Fred Phelps. They're in it for the fame and ego stroking and desperate to be footnotes in history.

He's done a lot more to help this country than you ever will, Fnarf.

Big Sven @11: Nader's saved countless lives by successfully fighting for laws mandating cleaner air, cleaner water, safer vehicles and safer workplaces. If you're unaware of this, I suggest you watch the very-balanced "An Unreasonable Man".

Ralph Nader is the Vern Gagne of the politcal world -- he comes out of retirement every few years to the surprise of no one.

Oh goodie! If Nader runs, McCain has a better chance.
Don't get me wrong, I like Obama.
But this country needs wisdom, not a rookie.

@10: Sorry, MoR, I didn't read the Morning News comments today. I only have so much time--I used mine scanning previous Slog posts. You get first dibs, but it's not a via, I promise.

i don't see how any of those accomplishments are incompatible with him being a giant douche.

If any of the Democratic candidates had a pair and pushed a real progressive platform, he wouldn't need to run.

and Hitler was a vegetarian who was opposed to smoking, loved dogs and built the autobahn. Big whoop.

(no, i'm not saying Nader is a Hitler. He's just the guy who's partly responsible for our current Brown Shirt Administration...)

Nader's done more damage to environmental lawmaking than just about anyone alive. He could have been Carter's czar, but turned the post down, and destroyed the process, making it impossible for anything good to come of it, because he wasn't going to be the sole voice in charge. He's a fascist, a prima donna, and a fucking sociopath, and it's high time his reputation drowned in a dirty toilet.

@gillsans; maybe a true progressive platform is full of shit?

Nader has Fame Disease: narcism, attention addiction and lack of any kind of soul. Whatever good was in him has been lost to this horrible illness.

@20: what you said.

How can Dems blame Nader for losing 2000? To say that Nader had any influence over the Dem vote is to admit that they consciously left that portion of the Dem vote in the cold wind.

If they (um, we) were so fucking essential, then they should have thrown us some fucking bones.

Instead, not so much. We got death-penalty Al and censor-everything Tipper. Oh, and Fake Democrat Lieberman. Fuck yeah I voted Nader, and the rest of you should have too. :P

I'm sorry, guys, but do you really wish that Tipper Gore had been First Lady and Joe Lieberman had been Vice President for the past eight years? I'm not saying that Bush is a piece of cake. I'm saying that if we're going to have Democratic leaders in office, they should, at minimum, not suck wind. Cause we'd *certainly* be lined up to lose this year if they had been.

in answer to your questions #25

1)We can; Nader contributed to the loss or at least the idiots who voted for him in certain states.
2)Over Zombie Laura? YES!
3)Over Ayatollah Cheney? HELL, YES!

@18 That's ok Annie, I realize I'm not the only one who reads TPM.

And, Nader is why my precinct only got 6 delegates at the caucus, instead of the 9 or 10 the adjacent precincts did.

So, yeah, I blame Nader. A lot.

@26: Reread paragraphs 1 and 2.

If you utterly ignore a portion of what you presume to be your supporters, then you deserve to lose them, and have no one to blame but yourself.

Campaigning with the mentality that those segments will vote for you just because they have to is irresponsible.

Did they get the message? No, they gave us Kerry, and played the exact same game.

I'm a progressive, and I'm tired of being repeatedly ideologically dicked by the supposedly liberal major party.

Luckily for me (and the Dems, if they want my vote), this year is turning out sufficiently different from others.

YOU'RE sick of being dicked, K? No, WE are sick of being dicked by braindead "progressives" who have ritualistically sabotaged every possibility that has ever come their way. We're sick of being dicked by Ralph Motherfucking Nader and his minions.

Fortunately, he is as irrelevant as last week's coffee grounds now, so it's not a problem. You guys, however, are still here.

K@25-

If they (um, we) were so fucking essential, then they should have thrown us some fucking bones.

People like you make me ashamed to be a Democrat. You represent every stereotype of the selfish, uncooperative, head-in-the-clouds liberal that would rather lose than come up with working compromises. We "threw you some fucking bones"- you got Gore instead of Bradley.

Fuck off. And take your asshole candidate with you.

DOUG@15:

Nader's saved countless lives by successfully fighting for laws mandating cleaner air, cleaner water, safer vehicles and safer workplaces.

Puhleaze.

He advocated for all those things. He didn't *do* any of them. This guy made safer vehicles. Nader just made pretty headlines.

Blaming Nader for 2000 is such a tired strawman. And The Right loves you folks who do it.

Ignore voter disenfranchisement in Florida, a legally-retarded Supreme Court ruling and a supine corporate media and just blame the old man in the bad suit.

Yeah, it's all his fault...

Blaming Xenopsylla Cheopis for the bubonic plague is such a tired strawman.

Sven says:
"People like you make me ashamed to be a Democrat. You represent every stereotype of the selfish, uncooperative, head-in-the-clouds liberal that would rather lose than come up with working compromises."

you know, Sven, you should be ashamed to be a Democrat... if all Dems have as selective memory and are as pro-party above principle as you. Nader ran as a green in '96 and '00, not a Dem, liberal or otherwise. Gore was the big "D" dem at that time, as Hillary is now. Your oh so wise judgement in backing a winning candidate is not something really to be proud of, by the looks of it.

Yeah. He's not talking about 2000 or 2004, he's talking about now, and he's not talking about Nader, he's talking about you.

fnarf, i'd say the big dems that run on party unity and palliative but ineffectual policy re; corporate oversight deserve to lose. ala gore, kerry and hills. You'd normally probably agree, but some naderite whizzed in your cheerios this morning so, oh wells.

Fuck you Nader voters. Al Gore may not have been perfect but if you don't think we would have been better off under him than with who we ended up with then you're even dumber than everyone thinks you are.

What the fuck is Nader trying to prove? For God's sake he's even older than Grandpa McCain. At least he won't get enough votes this time to make any difference, but every ounce of respect I had for him for his consumer advocacy efforts in the 60's and 70's vanished after he spoiled the 2000 election.

Gore couldn't even win his home state in 2000, and Nader had nothing to do with that. Face it, the Dems did not have their shit together in 2000 or 2004.

You can't blame Nader voters for George Bush. Any Democrat who isn't looking in the mirror while pointing the finger is delusional. The Democrats deserved to lose in 2000 and 2004. 2006 was the first election in a long time where the Democrats had any semblance of unity or vision.

I mean, come on Nader haters, were you REALLY that excited to vote for Al Gore in 2000? No, you were not.

Michael Strangeways @ 21

and Hitler was a vegetarian who was opposed to smoking, loved dogs and built the autobahn. Big whoop.

(no, i'm not saying Nader is a Hitler. He's just the guy who's partly responsible for our current Brown Shirt Administration...)

and more of Michael's fucking stupidity at 26

1)We can; Nader contributed to the loss or at least the idiots who voted for him in certain states.

Micheal, you are a stupid fucking piece of shit, and you're lazy, did your mother drink as much as Barbara Bush did while she was pregnant with George W. or is there some other reason you're such a fucking retard?

So let's see, we start off with a Hitler analogy. That should be enough to get you repeatedly kicked in the balls. Then there's your lame attempt to say that you weren't invoking Hitler, which should get you sent off to Gitmo for some waterboarding. Really, stupidity that offensive should be punished, painfully.

So you're stupid. You're also ignorant and you've bought into a media meme that a few hours of reserch on the Intarweb would show you is utter bullshit because you're too fucking stupid and lazy to use Google and do a little reading. So let's see, in addition to all of the things that Doug cited in 33, which you and Fnarf conveniently ignore because you want a straw man that you can beat up on so that you won't feel like the contemptible little pussies that you are there are also the following inconvenient truths:

what hubris for Dems to think the green votes were theirs for the taking...if they(the dems) don't step up and earn those votes , then the greens are rightfully getting their own. this isn't daily kos, where every vote is assumed for the dems, and all that entails.

I blame Republican voters, not just Greens or Libertarians or Socialist Workers. I think the party of bourgeoise liberalism should be entitled to ALL votes, not just Naders. Where do these fucking cunts get off running other candidates and where do those worthless voters get off voting for them? They should all just be stabbed.

wow - this is like old time debate

nader won't run - and will endorse Obama eventually

remember you all - mc cain is an avowed hard core militarist who WILL use nukes in some war or another

think for one second on that after venting all the rousing invectives and accusations from the past - some quite well expressed by the way

do consider THE FUTURE a bit

John, commie, pinko fag