I voted for him in 2000 - and I don't regret it - but this just makes me very sad and disappointed. The man should be - in fact is - a hero, and he's making himself (made himself?) into a joke and a pariah.

I've been meaning to watch that movie, thanks for the reminder.

Why is it that some people just can't see that it's time to call it a day and move on to something new?

No, I won't vote for him this year... that's assuming the O-man wins the nomination, of course.

But if I end up with the choice between Nader and Hillary, damn, I'd be tempted.

He belongs on the list of gloryhound public figures with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Fred Phelps. They're in it for the fame and ego stroking and desperate to be footnotes in history.

(no, i'm not saying Nader is a Hitler. He's just the guy who's partly responsible for our current Brown Shirt Administration...)

How can Dems blame Nader for losing 2000? To say that Nader had any influence over the Dem vote is to admit that they consciously left that portion of the Dem vote in the cold wind.

If they (um, we) were so fucking essential, then they should have thrown us some fucking bones.

Instead, not so much. We got death-penalty Al and censor-everything Tipper. Oh, and Fake Democrat Lieberman. Fuck yeah I voted Nader, and the rest of you should have too. :P

I'm sorry, guys, but do you really wish that Tipper Gore had been First Lady and Joe Lieberman had been Vice President for the past eight years? I'm not saying that Bush is a piece of cake. I'm saying that if we're going to have Democratic leaders in office, they should, at minimum, not suck wind. Cause we'd *certainly* be lined up to lose this year if they had been.

1)We can; Nader contributed to the loss or at least the idiots who voted for him in certain states.
2)Over Zombie Laura? YES!
3)Over Ayatollah Cheney? HELL, YES!

So, yeah, I blame Nader. A lot.

If you utterly ignore a portion of what you presume to be your supporters, then you deserve to lose them, and have no one to blame but yourself.

Campaigning with the mentality that those segments will vote for you just because they have to is irresponsible.

Did they get the message? No, they gave us Kerry, and played the exact same game.

I'm a progressive, and I'm tired of being repeatedly ideologically dicked by the supposedly liberal major party.

Luckily for me (and the Dems, if they want my vote), this year is turning out sufficiently different from others.

If they (um, we) were so fucking essential, then they should have thrown us some fucking bones.

People like you make me ashamed to be a Democrat. You represent every stereotype of the selfish, uncooperative, head-in-the-clouds liberal that would rather lose than come up with working compromises. We "threw you some fucking bones"- you got Gore instead of Bradley.

Fuck off. And take your asshole candidate with you.

Nader's saved countless lives by successfully fighting for laws mandating cleaner air, cleaner water, safer vehicles and safer workplaces.

Puhleaze.

He advocated for all those things. He didn't *do* any of them. This guy made safer vehicles. Nader just made pretty headlines.

Ignore voter disenfranchisement in Florida, a legally-retarded Supreme Court ruling and a supine corporate media and just blame the old man in the bad suit.

Yeah, it's all his fault...

you know, Sven, you should be ashamed to be a Democrat... if all Dems have as selective memory and are as pro-party above principle as you. Nader ran as a green in '96 and '00, not a Dem, liberal or otherwise. Gore was the big "D" dem at that time, as Hillary is now. Your oh so wise judgement in backing a winning candidate is not something really to be proud of, by the looks of it.

What the fuck is Nader trying to prove? For God's sake he's even older than Grandpa McCain. At least he won't get enough votes this time to make any difference, but every ounce of respect I had for him for his consumer advocacy efforts in the 60's and 70's vanished after he spoiled the 2000 election.

You can't blame Nader voters for George Bush. Any Democrat who isn't looking in the mirror while pointing the finger is delusional. The Democrats deserved to lose in 2000 and 2004. 2006 was the first election in a long time where the Democrats had any semblance of unity or vision.

I mean, come on Nader haters, were you REALLY that excited to vote for Al Gore in 2000? No, you were not.

and Hitler was a vegetarian who was opposed to smoking, loved dogs and built the autobahn. Big whoop.

(no, i'm not saying Nader is a Hitler. He's just the guy who's partly responsible for our current Brown Shirt Administration...)

and more of Michael's fucking stupidity at 26

1)We can; Nader contributed to the loss or at least the idiots who voted for him in certain states.

Micheal, you are a stupid fucking piece of shit, and you're lazy, did your mother drink as much as Barbara Bush did while she was pregnant with George W. or is there some other reason you're such a fucking retard?

So let's see, we start off with a Hitler analogy. That should be enough to get you repeatedly kicked in the balls. Then there's your lame attempt to say that you weren't invoking Hitler, which should get you sent off to Gitmo for some waterboarding. Really, stupidity that offensive should be punished, painfully.

So you're stupid. You're also ignorant and you've bought into a media meme that a few hours of reserch on the Intarweb would show you is utter bullshit because you're too fucking stupid and lazy to use Google and do a little reading. So let's see, in addition to all of the things that Doug cited in 33, which you and Fnarf conveniently ignore because you want a straw man that you can beat up on so that you won't feel like the contemptible little pussies that you are there are also the following inconvenient truths:

nader won't run - and will endorse Obama eventually

remember you all - mc cain is an avowed hard core militarist who WILL use nukes in some war or another

think for one second on that after venting all the rousing invectives and accusations from the past - some quite well expressed by the way

do consider THE FUTURE a bit

John, commie, pinko fag