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I for one would not be counting my shots with a pit bull ...
Why is the SPD's response to every problem to draw their guns and start shooting? Is this L.A.?
I smell 2008 theme: pitbulls getting killed.
The problem is not the DOG, it's the people who own them. Ok, maybe not always, but I bet 9 times out of 10.
The problem IS the dog. Pulling a gun on a pitbull is always the right answer.
ok, I have to add to it.
I live in Albuquerque, and nearly everyone in the south valley has a pitbull or other such "attack dog". They leave their dog, for hours-days on end in the sun, with no shade, a 5 foot chain and no food or water. The result? Angry angry pitbull. I'd be angry if someone did that to me.
It got to the point last summer where our neighbors did this with their pitbull puppy that we jumped over their fence with an umbrella, food, and water. It's sickening- like with babies- certain people just should not have pets.
I had a border collie growing up ... she never killed anyone, but she did once give me a black eye.
Pitbulls seem to naturally attract negligent assholes for owners.
Kind of like how hip-hop nights seem to naturally attract gun-toting assholes.
The problem is the dog and the owner. Both should be put down. Immediately.
WORD @7.
I've met nice pitbulls owned by hippies. A few of the coolest dogs I know are pitbulls, running in second heelers.
Pitbulls don't kill people. People with pitbulls kill people. Oh wait, pitbulls DO kill people! Nevermind.
I'm just waiting for the pit bull defenders to start a fight with the pit bull haters so I can use my new phrase.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boil+a+dead+dog
I was nearly attacked by a Pit Bull last weekend during my Saturday morning run up 25th Ave NE just above the U - district. The owners of the beast were a nice looking middle class couple with two kids. Oh, they had a Bush/Cheney sticker on their SUV....
But the scary part was the lady was clearly having problems holding the damn dog back from charging me.
The typical Border Collie is 100 times smarter than the typical Pit Bull owner.
Should it be "Boil a live dog"?
@12 and that is why Republicans should never own pittbulls...
Oh Dan, why don't you look up the 2004 case in Canada where a Border Collie attacked three people and a police officer, and then the officer shot the dog. Would that suffice?
It is exceedingly stupid to focus on pit bulls as if they are the only potentially dogs. Other breeds (and strays) attack, maim, and kill people and other animals as well. Maybe we should kill all dogs, right? And hey, since some people decide to kill others, clearly all human beings are murderers and should be put to death. Right?
Oh wait, no? Ok then. Get the fuck over the pit bulls. Dan is become more and more annoying with his posts that focus on only one of three topics. Yawn.
Safety tip: when bitten by any pedator - dog, cat, wolverine, whatever - do not try to pull back. A pedator's teeth are curved so that struggling to get out of the bite/ grip will tear the flesh. Instead, push in - it pushes the animals tongue back so that they choke. They *usually* [always in my experience, but I've never used it with a pit bull] let go in surprise. I realize that this is counter-intuitive, but it really does work. At the very least it will reduce the damage to your flesh.
Learning this was just one of the benefits of growing up with violent dogs in the household. [my german sheppard could eat your pit bull for breakfast.]
@16, THAT is a recent story. And @18, nice advise...I think
Wow. People just don't get it.
A pit bull raised right is the sweetest and most loyal dog in the world. It's about the owner, not the dog.
tons of attacks by collies and collie mixes can be found at understand-a-bull.com
But i'm sure you'll just ignore this and continue to only list pit bull stories, because you are such a good sensational journalist.
@16, one isolated case does not prove a point. Table 2 in the report below supports the [obvious] fact that no breed is attack free, but that certain breeds are significantly more likely to be involved in attacks and/or deaths.
Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks
in the United States between 1979 and 1998
The ignorance here is astounding.
A dog is only as good as its owner. The problem lies with the owner, NOT with the dog. Pit bulls are not supposed to be human aggressive. If they are, they should be euthanized, period, and I say that as someone who owns two of them. My dogs adore people and would never hurt a person.
That being said, I am also careful never to put them into dangerous situations. People misjudge their power (because they ARE strong and determined dogs) and become lax in training them.
An unfixed pit bull truly is an accident waiting to happen, especially an untrained one.
However, a speutered pit bull who has an owner that understands the breed and actually bothers to TRAIN their dog, is one of the most loving and loyal pets a person could have.
MYTH: All Pit Bulls are mean and vicious.
It is reported on temperament tests conducted by the American Temperament Test Society that Pit Bulls had a passing rate of 82% or better -- compared to only 77% of the general dog population.
These temperament tests consist of putting a dog through a series of unexpected situations, some involving strangers.
Any signs of unprovoked aggression or panic in these situations result in failure of the test. The achievement of Pit Bulls in this study disproves that they are inherently aggressive to people. (Please visit ATTS.org)
MYTH: A Pit Bull that shows aggression towards an animal will go for people next.
"Many working breeds have antipathy towards other animals - coonhounds go mad at the sight of a raccoon, foxhounds will not hesitate to tear a dog-like fox to shreds, greyhounds live to chase and maul rabbits and even dog-like coyotes. Even the ever-friendly beagle will slaughter a rabbit, given the chance.
And yet the greyhound, coon and foxhound and beagle are among the friendliest of breeds towards humans. And it is the same with the pit bulldog. His work through the years has been control of other animals - never humans. A correct pit bull is more often than not submissive toward all humans, and adores children.
A pit bull that snarls, lunges or growls at non-threatening humans is NOT typical of the breed." (Written by Diane Jessup)
Pit bulls that do show aggressive behavior towards humans are not typical of the breed and should be humanely euthanized.
MYTH: If a Pit Bull was never trained to fight, it will be safe with other dogs.
Pit Bulls can live peacefully with other dogs and animals. However, the Pit Bull has historically been bred to take down large animals. Early and continual socialization can help a Pit Bull be more animal friendly. Genetics, however, play an important role in how the dog will respond to other dogs and animals.
A Pit Bull that will fight another dog if unattended is a normal Pit Bull. Even if a Pit Bull does not start the fight, it has the potential to seriously injure or kill a dog once in the fight.
The Pit Bull has been bred to not back down and withstand pain until the goal is met. This quality does not carry true in all Pit Bulls, but it is safe to assume it is a potential in any Pit Bull in order to avoid unnecessary problems.
Pit Bulls have a late maturity, and a Pit Bull that was dog friendly at 7 months old may suddenly show signs of intolerance of unfamiliar dogs around two years old. Spaying and neutering the dog may help to prevent "turning on" the genetic urge to fight another dog.
All dog fights are preventable, however. Socialize a Pit Bull slowly with new dogs, and never let them play unattended. Remove items such as toys and food bowls to avoid stress.
Pit Bulls can live happily with other pets; if not left unattended. Even the "best of friends" can fight, and the outcome may be tragic. This can be true for dogs that have been together for years. Often, after the first serious fight, relations between the dogs are never the same.
Keeping that first fight from happening is a great way to ensure peaceful relations for the long run. If there is a multiple-dog household, it is important to separate the dogs when there is no one home.
Many people use crates for short times, put dogs into separate rooms, use kennels, or have outdoor areas set up for separation that are safe and secure. Pit Bulls can get along wonderfully with animals like cats, rabbits, and ferrets, but for safety's sake, never leave them alone together.
MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers have 1600 P.S.I. in jaw pressure
Dr. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs.
There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of "pounds per square inch" can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data."
MYTH: American Pit Bull Terriers lock their jaws.
Dr. Brisbin: "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog.
There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of "locking mechanism" unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier.
And lastly, please visit this site to see THOUSANDS of oh-so-vicious pit bulls. And by "vicious" I mean "most loyal and loving without an ounce of aggression".
fact: pitbulls were originally bred for PIT FIGHTING, with other dogs or with BULLS. pitbulls, and the related breeds Staffordshires, AmStaffs, and Bull Terriers, are popular with young men who like to bask in the reflected athletic glory. these men are commonly lacking in nurturing skills, education, common sense, & income, all of which lead to negligence. a neglected pitbull is a loaded pistol laying in a schoolyard.
a number of Michael Vick's pitbulls have made the transition to useful, happy doggy lives. a number have not, and will never.
as with handguns, it will be nearly impossible to eliminate the breed. better to declare it (and other breeds) "potentially dangerous" and require special licensing for owners. as in: you are a teenage asshole with droopy drawers & a rap sheet. you don't get a license to own a pitbull. you get nothing, or a bichon frise you have to groom 30 minutes a day, tough guy.
@4 is right.
And @7 is also right - half the problem is the usual owners of pit bulls that mean that when faced with a pit bull the prudent thing is to empty your clip and reload, not to try anything else.
I love dogs, I grew up with dogs around since I was a toddler, and there are just certain things that people need to understand - and one is that pit bulls usually are way more dangerous than a machine pistol in the hands of a freaked out young teen who wants to kill people.
My neighbor has Pit Bulls and they're scary as fuck. BUT -- it's clearly the neighbor who is scary and responsible for fucking up the dogs. If people couldn't get pit bulls they'd just get german shephards and fuck them up. The problem is in how we deal with the animal breading industry when it comes to dogs which can be easily brought up to associate with the world through violence.
@24 No no no no no NO NO NO! We don't like facts here! How can we make unfounded snap judgments with actual evidence and reason in front of us?! Go away, you're scaring us!
This is for some reason or another, is Dan at his most shallowest ... I don't get it! I really don't get it.
Go to hell you sensationalist prick!
As I've said before, facts are for bitches.
We don't want or need your stupid "facts". Run along now, little bitch.
@14
If the old phrase had been "Beat a Live Horse" then yes, but it wasn't. So no.
pitt bulls are some of the smatist sweetists dogs I've known...when owned by hippies and road kids who actualy treat the animal as an equal
oh yeah dan, if your saying that nature trumps nature perhapes you can get behind my proposal for the forced steralization of the negro race
they do seem to be an awfully aggressive breed, and should be put down or at least bannd from city limits
I guess cholo mexicans and the irish barbarians apply as well
and we cant forget the asians...there so damn shifty eyed cold and nasty
why so offended?
you said yourself, an agressive breed is a n agrressive breed is a n agressive breed
nurture i guess is irrelevent
As animals what applys to dogs and chimpanzees apply to us a well
think about it
I'm just glad that Dobermans aren't the dog-of-choice for most people-who-shouldn't-own-dogs anymore. Pits have taken over, though Dobermans' reputation is certainly still there to a lesser extent (as evidenced by the breed rescue we got ours from who sees all kinds of retards who only get them because they think they'll be good guard dogs).
I have nothing against pit bulls, but some dogs required "varsity" level owners. Labs, retrievers, etc. can be owned by the JV team, but pit bulls, dobermans, rottweilers, etc. require more know-how.
Pit bulls v. ragheads. I'd pay money to see that. (My money's on the pit bulls.)
sorry,still hung over
here's with spelling errors corrected so my post makes some damn sense
pit bulls are some of the smartest sweetest dogs I've known...when owned by hippies and road kids who actually treat the animal as an equal.
oh yeah Dan, if your saying that nature trumps nurture perhaps you can get behind my proposal for the forced sterilization of the negro race
they do seem to be an awfully aggressive breed, and should be put down or at least banned from city limits for the sake of public safety
I guess cholo Mexicans and the Irish barbarians apply as well
and we cant forget the Asians...there so damn shifty eyed, god knows what horrors there dreaming up behind those cold calculating eyes
why so offended?
you said yourself, an aggressive breed is an aggressive breed is an aggressive breed
nurture i guess is irrelevant
As animals what applies to dogs and chimpanzees apply to us a well
think about it
as i said pitt bulls can be really nice, i love there pretty eyes.
germen sheperds are absolutly terrifying
Sorry to say Dan, Mr. Poe, and the rest of you haters. You don't like pit bulls, but you still have to live with them. Just like we all have to live with guns, Jesus freaks, and those psycho bicyclists that insist they can ride with traffic AND especially those pscycho cyclists that feel they are above traffic signals too.
Some of these fears are rationally justified, some are not. The brutal pit bull fears are not. The way Dan just puts this down, it's like ... he just hates pit bulls with same enmity that he has with gay bath houses. It displeases his notion of aesthetics so much, it blinds him to what he doesn't want to see.
It's just not THAT bad.
And is it me, or have his savage love posts been relatively monogomous lately?
Here ya go, ya bastages:
Now, Chihuahuas are just plain funny.
haha, judgemental douchebags. i have 3 APT's who have been spoiled since they day i brought them into my home (as puppies). they are laidback, loving, well-adjusted adult dogs and i wouldn't trade any of them for the world.
i also have a miniature pinscher. said miniature pinscher is more vicious than my pitbulls could ever hope to be. he'll be sitting on my lap and if someone merely points their finger in my direction, he goes insane.
if bred properly and given a loving home, their temperaments reflect what they've been shown from humans. dogs, yes, even PITBULLS- aren't wild animals. they're not going to randomly bite their owner's arms off for no reason whatsoever. again, they only know what they've been given and what they've been shown. that goes for ANY breed of dog, or any domesticated pet-type animal in general.
i also love how all of these pitbull haters, and pitbull OWNER haters, probably couldn't spot a pitbull if it bit them in the ass. a chow mix bites someone, it's a pitbull o noez! a shepherd mix bites a kid that was probably poking it in the eye through a fence with a stick, it's a pitbull o noez! etc etc.
one of my favorite links: http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
TIME 2 LEARN URSELFZ
Trust me linus, reposting did nothing to make you look smarter.
The desire to own a pit bull is evidence of criminal intent on the face of it.
I saw a guy the other day on Elliot; great big fat guy, wearing head-to-toe basketball uniform, size XXXXXXXL, cornrows, tattoos, mega jewelry, waddling, straining with the effort of holding back his two chained pits that were snarling and pulling at their chains. And his little girl walking behind him.
I say put them all down.
I love pits - under the right circumstances, which means speutered, trained, with a reasonably intelligent and involved owner who cares properly for them and doesn't ever let them wander.
All dogs can, and will bite. But not all dog bites can kill you. If you're going to own a breed that can easily kill a human - a Doberman, a Mastiff, a Boxer, a Rottweiler, whatever - you have to take proper responsibility for neutering, controlling, and training the animal, or you are responsible if it harms someone.
I noticed on that CDC list of dog-bite related fatalities that there was one related to a Basenji. Color me unsurprised; I used to have a Basenji. I imagine the owner probably suicided when the dog drove him insane. They're a strange breed, decidedly for those who specialize in intelligent, non-pack, stubborn pains-in-the-ass.
#41
thanks it's goo to know my argument and intellict stands on there own two feet then
remember the buddy bradly comics with the wierd intellectual roomate? remember how he said that dog breeders were closeted nazi's? I have to agree with him and take it a step further...people who talk about this breed or that breed is dangerous and should be eliminated, or pure breeding , or disdain towards "mutts"
I belive these people are channeling there embarising racial phobia and biases in a socialy acceptable way
after all what we cant say about humans we can say about dogs, and if we want to bust a person or group of people down a notch we compaire them to dogs
and for the record i'm not really saying we should steralize and/or kill blacks,latino's or celts
I'm just saying the nature over nurture theory is pretty ridiculous
yes, fnarf! put them all down. because somehow, american pitbull terriers aren't genetically canines. they share none of the same characteristics of "normal" dogs- technically, they're related to hyenas. crazy, laughing, blood thirsty hyenas who tug at their leashes and want to eat small children.
oh no wait, that's not right. you're just deciding to pass judgement because...well, you're obviously an idiot. you've never owned the breed, you've never interacted with them and you obviously haven't done much homework on the american pitbull terrier or you would've been embarrassed to post such an asinine statement.
i don't have kids, i have dogs. and i'm not on food stamps. i'm not a huge black guy with a ton of bling in an expensive jersey. i'm actually just a small white girl who genuinely loves the breed because i've been around them most of my life. and maybe i'm just really lucky? because none of my dogs have ever even REMOTELY shown aggression to me or my family members.
so, you know, people don't like APT's. okay. i don't like kids. they're smelly, they're loud, they seek a ton of attention and i couldn't shut them up with a dingo bone unless i wanted to be arrested. i mean, i don't have a kid and all, but that's what i'm going on based on my experiences with friends, and with other people who do have them.
so lets put small kids down too. for being stinky and annoying.
dear # 41,
please try re-posting your comment in the english language. it would be much appreciated as an intelligent rebuttal cannot be given since 90% of the words you used were misspelled. based on your obvious stupidity alone, you should be "eliminated" with people like myself. since we're on the subject of purifying the human race and all.
oh and you know what may help? those red squiggly lines that must've been under every other word you typed means "typo". and then you're given the magical option of choosing the correctly spelled word.
take care, brother.
@42 so I must have had some criminal intent when I adopted my pit bull type dog? (and I say pit bull type, because she is a rescue and I don't definitively know what breed she is; the vet has her listed as an amstaff.) I adopted a well-tempered dog that would be good with my children, visitors to my home, etc. It just worked out that the dog that fit those requisites at the shelter happened to be one of these so-called vicious dogs every one's afraid of. Despite bearing physical scars from abuse, she is The Most Affectionate Dog I've ever owned. Period. She loves every person she meets and is extremely gentle.
BTW, I'm a suburban stay at home mom. My dogs have passed their Canine Good Citizen tests and are registered with the city I live in. So how's that for your stereotype?
Linus - spelling trainwrecks or no, that second half of your post reminded me of the old poems that Rolling Stone used to run in their record reviews section. And I do NOT mean that in a good way.
#42 - "The desire to own a pit bull is evidence of criminal intent on the face of it."
What does that mean and where does that put the countless people that have rescued these dogs?
I have a rescued pitbull, a rescued pit-mix and 2 daughters.
I don't drink, do drugs, or even smoke. I am completely straight edge. How am *I* a criminal???
However, using logging chains on your pitbull is horribly wrong, (as is having unaltered pitbulls, or god-forbid breeding them!) there are effective harnesses and head halters that will work much better.
Many of the people who own hand grenades do so responsibly, and genuinely love their hand grenades. Just because some people treat their hand grenades unsafely, does that mean we should ban all hand grenades?
Yes. Yes, it does.
@45
Haha! I've been a nanny and a dog owner. I prefer the dogs!!
Here is your border collie attack
http://www.24dash.com/news/Communities/2006-10-14-Seven-year-old-girl-savaged-by-dog-at-school
or perhaps a golden retriever attack is more to your liking.
http://www.khou.com/news/state/stories/khou070323_mh_goldenmaul.c35dd37.html
Pitbulls just make the news because they are sensational. Cocker Spaniel attacks child just doesn't interest anyone. My neighbors beagle attacks me and my pitbulls all the time, chases us down the street barking and lunging, but no one would write a story about that.
There's an American Temperament Test Society?
I never realized they had spell check on the slog.I for one I'm to lazy and not pretensious enough to use filter my posts through a word program to make myself look smarter then i am...I say what i have to say...as long as it's readable it should be judged based on the content of the idea's proposed....now if anyone want to argue about what i had to say go ahead
you are SO right, fnarf! yet again, you have educated me. i've been so misinformed until today- and i cannot thank you enough.
thank you for comparing my dog(s) to a grenade. i never knew that at any random point in time, they could explode. it would suck to have my home destroyed and shrapnel in my face.
and that's only if i came out alive.
thank you.
ok, sorry linus. i did not mean 2 b pretenshous.
p.s.
pitbulls suck
@55 "thank you for comparing my dog(s) to a grenade. i never knew that at any random point in time, they could explode. it would suck to have my home destroyed and shrapnel in my face."
Or your baby's face in the pit's stomach. YMMV.
LOLZ u so silly. i don't have kids. i'd rather put my own face in one of my dog's stomachs than pop out a human child.
remember, they're stinky, annoying, and stupid.
not to mention they could come out and grow up to act like one of the many douchebags on this blog. hooray for birth control!
Fnarf, typically the voice of reason, is being sensationalist on this one.
I do think there's a difference between people who want to own pit bulls because they're "badass", and people who want to rescue them. Obviously, the latter tend to be more responsible.
Putting them all down is ridiculous, but requiring a special license is not (preferably one where you have to pass a test to get it). As an owner of a breed that has a reputation for being more dangerous, I would be perfectly fine with a special license.
Personally I don't know anybody attacked by a Pit Bull and they are quite common in my city. But I know a kid who lost a hand because of a poodle, I knew a old women killed by a doberman and I know a family who had to put their german shepherd down because he wanted to kill any human being in sight.
If you people just read some more and stopped being so dumb you would find out pit bulls were bread to not attack people. They were bread to attack other dogs and larger animals. In a dog fight the judges are right there with the dogs trying to kill each other. They push them around by their tails, etc, and they are never attacked. These attacks are way more rare than german shepherds attacks, believe me. And if you don't want to believe me, believe the American Insurance Association - for any insurance company having a shepherd home is more dangerous than having a pit bull. Why? Because they were bread to not attack a human.
And if you want to put all pit bulls down just because they are strong and can kill a person, let's kill all lions, all beards, all dobermans, all dogos, all kuvasz, stop using cars, etc etc. Tards.
This is so unfair, I own a pitbull and he is the biggest whimp of a dog I have ever known. He loves everyone, and my 16lbs sheepdog is more macho then him.
I can't believe you people, have you ever thought about the hundreds of other dog attacks performed by other dogs? I hate you stereotyping assholes.
And #4 Go to hell you piece of fucking shit!
This is so unfair, I own a pitbull and he is the biggest whimp of a dog I have ever known. He loves everyone, and my 16lbs sheepdog is more macho then him.
I can't believe you people, have you ever thought about the hundreds of other dog attacks performed by other dogs? I hate you stereotyping assholes.
And #4 Go to hell you piece of fucking shit!
This is so unfair, I own a pitbull and he is the biggest whimp of a dog I have ever known. He loves everyone, and my 16lbs sheepdog is more macho then him.
I can't believe you people, have you ever thought about the hundreds of other dog attacks performed by other dogs? I hate you stereotyping assholes.
And #4 Go to hell!
Yes, obviously, my pit bull, that is also a therapy dog, will eat your face if given the chance.
Are you at all aware that pit bulls were never bred for human aggression, and that any medium-to-large dog is capable of killing you, if raised or trained improperly?
Furthermore, I'd put money on the fact that in a side-by-side comparison, you couldn't pick a pit out of a group of about 30 other "bully breeds."
What about that lab responsible for the attack that prompted the world's first facial transplant? OMGZ KILL THE LABZ!
@50 wins.
@61. Please look at the link @22. It's actual reporting of attack data by breed. Shows that pit bull attacks are much more common and more likely to be deadly. There's a link to another study on this that's been posted on previous pit threads too...
I am not anti-pit at all (I think the data reflects the fact that more idiots own pits than other breeds), but their attacks are not "way more rare" than shepards.
@62,
Last I heard, people weren't permitted to keep lions and "beards" as household pets.
Precisely. I have no objection to keeping pit bulls -- or pit bull owners -- in the zoo.
Beards, on the other hand, are always wrong, no matter what the hairy men say.
Date: August 2006
Location: NSW, Australia
Breed: Border Collie/Cattle Dog
Victim: 18-mos old girl
Severity: Severe
"An 18-month-old girl who suffered facial injuries when she was mauled by a neighbour's dog is in a stable condition in the Women's and Children's Hospital in Adelaide.
The border collie-blue heeler cross is believed to have been tied to a pole when the toddler approached it. [...]"
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Date: August 29, 2006
Location: Australia
Breed: Border Collie
Victim: adult female
Severity: moderate-severe
Circumstances: Dog got loose, attacked woman.
"A VICIOUS dog attack left a woman with leg wounds and a chunk of flesh ripped from her arm yesterday near Colac.
The woman, who works for an aged-care facility, was visiting a Larpent property about 1pm when the border collie attacked.
The dog is believed to have escaped its enclosure on the property and was protective of its owner, police said. [...]"
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Date: October 26, 2006
Location: Willow Creek, California
Breed: Border Collie/Heeler Mixes, 3 dogs
Victim: 73-yr-old male
Severity: Severe
Circumstances: Dogs running off-lead, attacked elderly man while he walked. Dogs are being quarantined.
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Google articles: 2 (Dog put down after attack on woman; Owners destroy collie after attack)
Date: May 2007
Location: Kaikoura, NZ
Breed: Border COllie
Victim: adult female
Severity: Moderate
Circumstances: Dog running loose, attacked woman walking.
Link: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4059272a6008.html
The owners had the dog put down after it attacked a Kaikoura woman as she walked along Beach Rd last Tuesday afternoon.
The woman was taken to Kaikoura Hospital where she had a gash on her leg stitched up.
Constable Brent Homan, of the Kaikoura Police, said because the owners had volunteered to have the dog put down, they would not be charged.
He said the dog had obviously escaped from its yard and when he went to visit, it seemed like a jovial, friendly and non-intimidating animal.
The woman who was attacked was concerned it could attack again, and the owners were extremely distraught about the episode, he said.
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Date: october 14, 2007
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Victim: toddler, female
Breed: labrador retriever border collie mix
Severity: Minor-moderate
Circumstances: Unknown. Child was alone with 8-yr-old dog. Dog euthanized.
"The toddler was bitten on the face by a labrador-border collie cross, which had to be pulled off the girl by a relation.
Bills' daughter pulled Coco off, and the dog turned and tried to bite her, she said.
"It all happened so fast but as far as we know it was unprovoked," Bills said.
The attack was "uncharacteristic" as Coco, an eight-year-old dog, had been raised in a house with five children, she said. [...]"
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Date: December 2, 2007
Location: UK
Victim: teenage male
Breed: Border Collie
Severity: Minor
Circumstances: Dog running loose.
Police hunt was launched today after a schoolboy was attacked by a dog.
The teenager was cycling along the path between Oaklands Way and Churchill Close in Warsash, when the black and white dog, possibly a border collie, ran up to him.
It then bit the 15-year-old on the left forearm, leaving him boy with a cut.
The dog and its female owner, aged between 40 and 60 years old with long grey hair, then left the area and the boy reported the incident to police.
"People who are walking their dogs must make sure they have the animal under control, to avoid incidents like this from happening," said PC Phillip Woodfield.
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so... anyone else?? i got more...
when will ppl get it through your heads that ANY dog can attack and cause harm?! that DOGS ARE ONLY WHAT HUMANS MAKE THEM!!!!
"@61. Please look at the link @22"
I was talking about ATTACKS. This repport basically talks about deaths. And before people start with "see, but people die more with PB attacks!". I'm sorry but is there a huge difference? 27 people? How many are killed everyday by knives, cars and bathtubes? The problem is the owner, not the dog. So let's see. 66 deaths by pits. 172 deaths by other breads. oh, fuck it, let's kill all dogs!
nurture not nature
all dogs can be beautiful sweet animals (though i've yet to meet a german shepard that didint try to eat me...but thats my own phobia). what matters is what type of people raises this dog. haveing a dog is like haveing a child, only less expensive.
if a child is neglected and mistreated that child will usualy become a mal-adjusted adult If a child is raised and trained properly he is more likely to become a well-adjusted adult.
same for dogs
we not might be able to licence for children (though sometimes I think reproduction SHOULD be licenced, paticulary after rideing the greyhound) maybe we should consider licencing pet ownership...with random visit's from social workers
"@62, Last I heard, people weren't permitted to keep lions and "beards" as household pets."
Last I heard, young people died more because of bathtube injuries and guns than dog attacks. And last I heard, we can keep both at home. hmmm
It's easier to keep taps on lions and bears than pitbulls. Since most people can't really identify the breed, there is so much mixing going on as it ... anything that closely resembles a pitbull is going to be described as one according to the media.
Putting down all pitbulls ... it's as well ... it's just madness up there with statements like "get rid of all handguns" or "export all illegal immigrants" or
"abstinence only education is the only method that works." "there is no global warming"
Pulease people, it's just something we as a society have to educate ourselves about it and deal with accordingly ... and as far as I can tell, sorting dogs out by "breeds" is not productive.
And sorry about the "bears". You people are SO smart. Like, your English is 100% perfect with no typos. COngrats on being perfect. =) Or not.
Another argument, how in a court of law do you identify a breed? Do you know how hard it is to get your dog recognized as a pure bred by the American Canine Association? The whole thing is madness, and fodder for lawyers!
so... still waiting on a response from Slog tipper Andrew… or anyone else who swears to God Almighty that it's ONLY 'x' breeds that attack/maul/maim/injure/kill ppl/children.
i'm a firm believer that ANY dog... regardless of size and ESPECIALLY regardless of breed, is equipped to harm ppl and will do so at some point in time if raised by morons. by that i mean ppl who don't truly understand dogs. who buy a pet b/c it's what everyone has and is omg! sooooo kyoot! or THOUGHT to be 'great family pets'.
if not trained/socialized/raised/treated properly... ANY dog can and will harm someone. they all have teeth, they all have a breaking point.
anyone want to give me another breed that has 'NEVER attacked anyone. like, for sure!" ?
@78 .... a low blow but ... Dan Savage?
OR Matt @79 - huh?
i don't understand your post.
I posted a response @71 to Slog Tipper Andrew's snide and "holier-than-thou" comment about Border Collies. and to show ppl that if doing ANY form of research, one can find attacks/maulings on ANY breed of dog. so it's asinine to claim that ONLY 'x' breeds are 'viscious'.
so... again, clarify your response please?
I also support putting down people who use "ppl", "omg", and "b/c" in discourse.
The question isn't just what dogs attack, but what kind of damage they do when they attack. My friend's dachshund can attack me for hours on end without leaving a mark.
Embarrasingly bad joke, which I tried to rescind ... my bad
I will only say this: Dan, when it comes to pit bulls, you are challenged by the concept of cause and effect.
I'm going to raise African bees. They're cute, and they never sting me.
Mind you, I wear netting 24/7 ...
@ 81 ...
I was bit in the face by a beagle when I was younger and almost blinded. That's pretty figgin' dangerous. Little dogs are mouthy and people love to get in their face, not remembering that even though it's small, it still has some serious teeth.
You've obviously never owned a "dangerous" dog breed so stop acting like you know they are so dangerous. My pittie curls up and snuggles like a baby.
Doberman's still scare the shit out of me, people have every right to own them though, responcibility etc.
@62: yeah!! FUCK BEARDS!!
And I also support putting down people who don't have good arguments so they have to talk about a foreign person typing by mistake "d" because it's close to "r" and "s".
You people still can't talk about HOW you want the killing to happen. Only pits? Because if you add the first two herding dogs it makes 56 deaths, only ten less than pits! And if there are 66 deaths by pits, what about the other 172 deaths? Only the ones with pedigree? Even therapy pits? All dogs? All big dogs? hmmm Too many questions, but I don't see anybody intelligent enough to give me answers.
And I also support putting down people who don't have good arguments so they have to talk about a foreign person typing by mistake "d" because it's close to "r" and "s".
You people still can't talk about HOW you want the killing to happen. Only pits? Because if you add the first two herding dogs it makes 56 deaths, only ten less than pits! And if there are 66 deaths by pits, what about the other 172 deaths? Only the ones with pedigree? Even therapy pits? All dogs? All big dogs? hmmm Too many questions, but I don't see anybody intelligent enough to give me answers.
Marc. You have forced me to not be lazy. Here is the other link I referenced, the one that talks about total number of attacks and total number of deaths. The stats are pretty clear.
to fnarf@ 81
I do sincerely apologize that in speed typing I use b/c instead of 'because' and ppl instead of 'people'. I must try and remember that from here on out, I am being graded on grammer. check.
On a side note, I *never* use 'OMG!'. nor do I use: "zomg!", "kyoot", "sooooooo" in my everyday language/conversations/letters/emails. I was using sarcasm. It's a fun thing I tend to throw out every now and again, much as you do it would seem.
I was mocking those braindead owners who get a dog BECAUSE (did you notice how I have spelled out the word? All for you darling... all for you.) they see it in a movie and it's very cute and well behaved. or they see one in a magazine/ad/commercial and go out and buy one without looking into the breed standards... breed temperment... does it do best in an apt./condo/house?... how much energy does it have... etc.
And yet again, you reference tiny dogs when prior, it was collies/labs/dalmations.
but, ok, we'll take your example of 'small dogs' not ever severely harming ANYone... shall we?
Date: July 31, 2007
Location: UK
Google: Dog ripped open my girl’s face & police can do nothing;
Breed: Shih-tzu
Victim: 4-yr-old female
Severity: Moderate
Circumstances: Girl was visiting with family friend when she tried to pet dog. Dog bit her on the face. Because the bite occurred on "private property" and because the dog is not a "dangerous breed", no charges will be filed and the dog does not have to be euthanized. Dangerous Dog Act hard at work.
Link: http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=dog-ripped-open-my-girl-8217-s-face-police-can-do-nothing&method=full&objectid=19578787&siteid=50061-name_page.html
A GIRL aged four was recovering today after her face was ripped open by a dog she was trying to stroke.
But police said they were powerless to act because the attack happened on private property and the dog was not officially classed as “dangerous”.
Molly Malone needed plastic surgery on her cheek after being bitten by a tiny shih-tzu last Tuesday afternoon.
She is now back at home in Seacombe with parents Kelly and Terence who are seeking legal advice.
*~*~*~*~*
IRRESPONSIBLE/STUPID OWNERS + DOGS OF ANY KIND/SHAPE/SIZE = BAD NEWS.
BAD NEWS + CHILDREN = INJURIES/SCARRING/MAULINGS/ATTACKS/ETC.
now, just *because* a dachshund repeatedly bites at you and doesn't do much damage... but the behavior goes unchecked... who is to say that one day it won't do that action to a child's face? Then will you be advocating the killilng of all Dachshunds?!
Fnarf,
OMG I do agree with you on the whole p/ bulls b/c as usual you make sense and all these other ppl don't with the exception of Mr.Poe who says both dog and owner should be put down. LOL
It's fun to tease Fnarf!
I can't even imagine my 2 year old, neutered male pit bull/boxer mix biting or hurting anyone. He's the biggest pussy ever! He loves to play "bitey-face" (which is just mouthing and lightly nipping the each other) with other dogs which is always supervised. We have a command for him if he ever plays a little too rough for the other dog (he has a multitude of friends including 2 5 year old beagles, a 9 year old black lab, a two year old tall shaggy something-or-other and his 6 month old pit bull/bull terrier mix sister, not to mention a 9 year old fatty of a cat who loves up on him constantly), and also when he's playing with us. We just tell him "gentle" and he immediately stops, looks at us, then plays gentler.
They're pretty fucking smart dogs and all it takes is taking the time and attention to train them to do what you want them to do, which unfortunately includes pit fighting for some a-holes out there.
They are terriers so yes, they want to chase small animals (and small children), but if you train them, don't leave them unsupervised and most importantly, don't mistreat them, they're wonderful, loving, amazing dogs. Plus, putting them all down wouldn't stop the "gang" element from neglecting/mistreating animals, they'll happily move on to another type of dog or in the case of this story,
freakin' ALLIGATORS.
It's pretty much retarded to think that eradicating one breed of dog is going to eliminate or even reduce attacks made by mistreated animals owned by stupid humans.
Julie, I get your point. But still, if you add all the herding dogs, they killed more than pit bulls. And let's just pay attention how these lists are pretty inaccurate. Your list has 264 deaths in USA and Canada 1982-2006. The other list posted from cdc.gov has 238 deaths only in USA from 1979-1998. Either way, more deaths were caused by pastoral breeds than pits bulls. So I guess all dogs should be in a zoo, no?
@91
Our posts crossed I was not mocking you, honest. I was just teasing Fnarf!
"now, just *because* a dachshund repeatedly bites at you and doesn't do much damage... but the behavior goes unchecked... who is to say that one day it won't do that action to a child's face? Then will you be advocating the killilng of all Dachshunds?!"
Good point. Talking about the poodle I know again, he ALWAYS loved to bite. Everybody. But who cares, right? it's only a poodle. And then a kid lost his hand when he was visiting the family. Guess what? I'm sure this attack isn't in any report or whatever.
dont put down innocent dog breeds in mass
put down guilty people breeds in mass
Funny, our family dog ... was a shepheard, doverman, ... some sort of collie mix. Loved the family to death, rip the face of anyone that would be considered threatening. Her mother is the reason why dobermans still scare me.
We knew not to keep her loose around strangers, strangers generally knew that EVEN if they knew our dog, that she generally liked her space, in some strange sort of way, it was easier to have a dog where you already knew it was a little tempermental and you can exercise the appropriate caution one should probobly have with any dog.
"It's pretty much retarded to think that eradicating one breed of dog is going to eliminate or even reduce attacks made by mistreated animals owned by stupid humans. "
People are freaking stupid, they don't like to think long term because it's too much work for their little brains. Let's kill all Pit Bulls. uh, if you are successful in this ban (I doubt), the "I'm a big-stupid-bad-guy" type of owner will just buy an Argentine Dogo (and let's not forget a lot of people believe they are worse than pits). A Doberman, a Fila or a Rottweiler.
Considering that Rotties are herding dogs, when exactly this will stop? Only Dachshunds will be allowed? It's like making alcohol illegal. Pretty fucking impossible, and it would make people buy dogs illegally.
I'm going to raise Polar Bears.
After all, with global warming, they need someplace to live.
I'll teach them to eat ice from people's drinks, and let them roam leash-free on the Hill ...
Washing off the bloodstains might be a bit of work, but they're so cuddly, I won't mind.
I'm going to raise republicans ...
raise replicans who make outlandish statements and only speak in hyperbole ... everything has to be a story
@94 - You obviously don't "get the point" at all. If you looked at the final tally, ALL the breeds - not just the "herders" - JUST matched the pits, who were out there in the QUITE comfortable lead, with a whopping 50%.
And yet people just choose to "pick" on THEM. Really is a mystery, isn't it?
@103 And seriously, how in god's fuck are you going to "define" a pitbull? Especially one that isn't pure bred.
OK, then. How about having to present proof of payment for, say, 20 hours of dog training before being issued a dog license? And making a mandatory one-year jail sentence for owning a dog without a license? And making a mandatory five-year jail sentence for owning a dog that bites anyone at all, whether serious injury occurs or not? And barring ownership of any dog weighing more than ten pounds within the city limits? And, while we're at it, how about the fucking death penalty for bringing your disgusting pet into a bar or restaurant?
Seriously. Dogs (some of them) are cute, but you dog people are just impossible.
And stop shitting on my lawn, too.
Marc - I present proof, hard facts, about pits attacking more often and you still rationalize it away. I can't do anything more to convince you if you are able to completely ignore facts.
Like I said, I think pits, with good owners and properly trained, can be great pets. But, too many assholes own them, and they are dangerous in the hands of assholes. Which is why I would be in favor of a licensing process and stiff penalties.
You want to solve the pit bull problem? You want to solve ass hole having pit bull problem? Government was PAY to spay and neuter every damn animal and have liscenses for those that want to breed. Maybe THEN will it actually discourage negligent dog owners and make it so it's difficult to obtain the dogs in the first place.
But that's almost as likely as the government coming into spay and neuter all these ass hole negligent pet owners.
This is where I kind of have to go all republican and say ... the government can't save you on this one. Unless your a fricken Nazi, the government doesn't control breeding.
TO FNARF-
"OK, then. How about having to present proof of payment for, say, 20 hours of dog training before being issued a dog license? And making a mandatory one-year jail sentence for owning a dog without a license? And making a mandatory five-year jail sentence for owning a dog that bites anyone at all, whether serious injury occurs or not?" - For all these, I will agree, I have wished and thought these necessary myself. As a responsible and oving pet parent, it aggitates me to no extent to see good animals in the hands of bad people, thereby making the animal (over time) bad itself. But the problem with all that, as ideal as it may be, is that who would enforce it? AC? Or city cops? Do they work together? And how can one justify that to the people of a city who DON'T own animals nor like them? That their money is going to pay to increase city workers to enforce those laws. They don't own animals or have kids... why should they care and/or have to foot the bill?
"And barring ownership of any dog weighing more than ten pounds within the city limits? And, while we're at it, how about the fucking death penalty for bringing your disgusting pet into a bar or restaurant?" - now you're just being a drama queen. Come on, can't we be mature and rational. Rapists and child abusers/molesters rarely get the death penalty... why would it apply to someone who brought their dog in to a place of business in their purse? think about it.
"Seriously. Dogs (some of them) are cute, but you dog people are just impossible." - I don't feel I'm impossible. Not once have I tried to shove my animals' cuteness down anyone's throat here or elsewhere. If you show interest and talk to me about them, I may gush. But if you don't care or show you don't like animals, I do my utmost to steer clear. I hate bugs, I know I'd hate it if a bug enthusiast tried to get me to touch or get near one of their critters. I'd punch them. To each their own Fnarf. Live and let live.
"And stop shitting on my lawn, too." - this does not even apply to me seeing as how we live on opposite ends of the continent. oh, and the fact that I clean up after myself, and my animals.
Hope you have a lovely day. feel free to chat ANYtime... i'll even poke you on facebook. :)
Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous.
So is a loaded gun.
So is a car.
We require people to get a license to drive a car.
Most states require people to get a license to carry a gun.
People should be required to get a license to have a dangerous dog.
It's true that Pit Bulls can be nice dogs. The problem comes in the fact that they've killed twice as many people as the next closest dog. 2 times as many people! They can be trained to be nice but the people who tend to get pit bulls tend to be punk ass shitheads who don't want nice dogs. Am I making a sweeping generalization? Yes!
Most drivers don't kill people but we still make them get a license because cars are dangerous.
Most guns and gun owners never kill people but we still require them to get a license because guns are dangerous.
Same goes for dangerous dogs.
On the other hand Dan, I absolutely do not approve of hurting these dogs. Put them down if you must but don't torture them.
Colin ...
you manufacture and sell a car, a gun, a knife whatever ...
dogs, like people, will breed unless you fix them
It's the only dangerous thing that you have to STOP from getting more of. Spay and neuter your dog! I bet half of these dumbasses who get these tough dogs couldn't give a shit that they were breeding.
And I bet my student loans debt that the majority are NOT pure bit bulls.
I mean what do YOU people suggest? Tell the damn puppy mills to stop cranking out pit bulls? Where is the market? Where the hell are they coming from? Maybe the same people that make the states the place where we have the highest number of incarcerated people in world. Maybe the same weirdos that couldn't give a shit if their dog is obedient are the same people wouldn't get their dog fixed.
I mean what do YOU people suggest? Tell the damn puppy mills to stop cranking out pit bulls? Where is the market? Where the hell are they coming from? Maybe the same people that make the states the place where we have the highest number of incarcerated people in world. Maybe the same weirdos that couldn't give a shit if their dog is obedient are the same people wouldn't get their dog fixed.
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