Honey, you're being obnoxious...and not even rightfully so. HUGE night for Obama.

Thanks for the insightful posting.

No kidding!

Yes, perceptive as usual ECB.

yeah but, its obvious by that slightly evil glazed look in his eyes that the puppet masters have given him a talking to, placed him on Haldol to curb the alien generated microwaves they are aiming at him.

They have assumed control. Dont mind the droning speech.

Are you kidding? That was a great speech. My roomate just saw him speak for the first time and was captivated. When Hillary was speaking he went out to smoke a cigarette.

Did you know that you leave yourself wide open to attack in almost everyone of your posts, Erica? Some enthusiastic young poster with nothing to lose will be here in no time to copy your entire post and replace "Obama" with "Erica", and then everybody is going to love him and hate you.

Keep your guard up, for chrissakes.

ECB, Hillary is killing in California. It's her night, it's her nomination. This might strike you as odd or pathetic, but there are people on the Slog who genuinely care about Obama and are going to be crushed tonight -- I'm one of them. You putting the boot in people's faces at this point is terrible behavior.

Crack me up!

get used to it, you'll be hearing his voice for the next decade....

If only he had a vagina...

See you next Tuesday!

Eh, I have to admit, for me it was blah blah blah for a little while too. I sort of couldn't sit still during story time.

All of them do it. "I met a man named Fred with six kids and a glass eye who lost his job a the mill. His wife is fat and she's having an affair with a Young Republican..." You know? Always some loser they met on the campaign trail and it just goes on and on and bums you out, you know?

Maybe I'm a misanthrope. Yeah. Misanthrope. It means "hater of men." Like ECB. She's hates men too. Maybe our shared misanthropy is what makes me like her so much even though I hate her too.

Cheers.

Yeah, as we saw with (Bill) Clinton, a strong orator with a tendency to give long speeches can never win the office of President in our country. Give it up Erica....you sound like a petulant child. I really want to know what Annie has to say this evening. She's a much stronger political writer than Erica.

Also, please note that the CA votes counted so far appear to be mostly from the OC, Los Angeles County and San Bernardino County. Lets see what happens in the Bay Area as we go north up the coast.

OH MY GOD.

Is Erica really STILL posting? Even the Ericatons here at Slog have stopped listening. And avid readers are looking bored.

But yeah, blah blah blah so that Ted Kennedy endorsement blah blah blah.

How old are you Erica? Does it really bother you that people who have been uninspired by politics for 20something or 30something years finally are? Are you that cynical and wedded to the architects of DOMA and last-night pardons that you need to put a boot in the face of those who (for once) are feeling the emotion and excitment their great-grandparents did for Teddy Roosevelt etc?

As someone with an MA in American History I firmly believe the Baby Boomer era has another 10 years or so left of dominance. But would it kill you to let people excited by politics for the first time have a moment? Do you have any historical knowledge that predates Clinton? Let us have a moment or two.

You're a good writer, Erica, but your playground attitude really embarrasses me if indeed you are the same generation as me. If you're a Baby Boomer...well I expected it. Anything to win, as the Clintons believe.

@8 i am not one of those people who will be crushed. the obamatons have been total dicks on slog. ecb puts up a post even slightly positive about hrc and people tell her she needs to get laid or masturbate.

wtf. that immediately turned me off to those people and obama. i don't always agree with ecb (i think bicyclists should be licenced and should be forced to follow traffic laws, but blah blah blah....), but the kind of weird sexist vitriol from the obamatons is just cuh-razeeeeeeee.

just look at some of the above posts. (and i'm sure some of the ones below this.) i say, as ecb always has, i'd vote for either, i'm proud of both, but i'm excited for her success, it's historic.

and the obamatons can, in their own words, "suck it".

ECB is now officially a troll. Way to go Slog.

It's her nomination? Did anyone just notice that the AP has changed their mind. They had Missouri called for Clinton - oops - Barack now has about a 6000 vote lead with 98% counted and St. Louis the part that's still out - where he's killing her. Way to go AP and way to go Missouri.

This ain't over, CA be damned either way.

politics as usual for ECB.

Are you drunk? That's a really obnoxious post.

Clinton just won California, MSNBC calls it, CNN hasn't yet but it's obvious. She cleaned up the Latino vote.

But my rough calculations show that even with her 84-delegate advantage in Cal, they're going to finish almost tied on the night -- a 28 delegate lead with only NM and AK to report their 39 delegate totals.

So it's not over. It's not Obama's night, and it's not Clinton's. On to Washington!

But really, cut out the juvenile "oh my GOD" posts.

Slow your roll, Erica. You're gonna be voting for him in November.

hey Andy James @8,

Chill out, man! Things are actually pretty good for Obama tonight. He's won what, 12 or 13 states? Sure Cali sucks, but like someone else said, the vote totals are moving north...Obama was always going to get killed in the LA basin. Depending on how much it tightens up, Obama might even get within 40 or 50 delegates of Hillary at the end of the night.

Man up, dude! This shit is nowhere near over. And I'm actually a Hillary supporter (sort of).

If only Obama had tits, then maybe ECB would have more of an attention span when listening to him.

blah blah blah ready to lead from day one blah blah blah

ECB always kinda gets on my nerves, but damn today was overkill!

Clearly someone is drunk and on the rag. On the upside we know she won't be spewing out mini-ECB's anytime soon. Just try not to bleed all over those nice new booths at Moe Bar, k?

I'm sure that comment was completely inappropriate, but the queen just couldn't bottle it up any longer...

P.S. Obama's speech was great. Hillary only wishes she could orate so eloquently.

My dad fell asleep a few minutes after he started talking.

Man, ECB, you ask for it sometimes.

In other news, Clinton takes California...

This kind of post is just childish. Grow up, if you do not like what you were listening to, then stop listening for fuck's sake

I would say its more Hillary's night...which makes this post from Erica even more obnoxious, childlike, and bitchy. I know its been hard being a Baby Boomer apologist in an Obama town but at least pretend you are a professional adult with a university degree.

@30, you notice the pattern? She just does it for attention.

@17,

Erica's definitely not a Boomer.

Besides, no one over 30 would use that "OH MY GOD" crap.

You don't think millions of TV's turned off during Hillary's? Wonk wonk wonk.

Yeah, uncalled for, ECB.

There's no "winner" tonight - this race is going all the way to the convention, and I, for one, love it.

Though I'm holding out for Obama, of course. And this Obamaton was captivated by his speech, thanks.

Oh, for God's sake.

I'm an Obama fan, but I genuinely want to extend some props to ECB tonite. This little community routinely whips itself into full-blown dervish mode, and a lot of ridiculous HTML gets spewed in her direction. It's a fantastic race and I really enjoy hearing all sides of the debate. See you all on Saturday!

RE-POSTED

Obama: yack, yack, yack, yack, yack....

Dude, this is like Baptist Pulpit 202. Not basic -- obviously skilled and probably sincere.

But I write speeches for a living, and this is classic stream of consciousness, "Fuck the script" stuff. I guarantee you it's a speech that looked great on paper, but he's meandering off the logic trail madly.

Also, I'm picking up a vibe of concession. Am I looking for that? Maybe. I don't trust my gut on this one. Yet. But if he loses California, he's toast.

He's a great man. I hope he runs again.

BREAKING NEWS AT THIS HOUR...

New Obama Talking Point: "This is Middle America voting for Senator Obama, not THE FAR COASTS." -- Sen Clair McCaskill

And Barack Obama has won in Alaska. Hey, you've gotta be Inuit to winuit.

Me personally, I'm still undecided. But in sitting in the stands watching y'all, I can tell you playahs that you just got dunked on by ECB.

: (

I know it's early on in the CA and NM counts, but it looks like Edwards is getting a ton of votes in those states. Haha. wtf.

Jason @17:

Uh, hate to break it to you, but Obama's a Boomer. A young Boomer, but a Boomer nonetheless.

With 100% of the Oklamhoma vote in, Edwards took 10% of the votes. Haha.

(chuckle.) (crickets.)

ha ha ha. Well said ECB. Ignore the obama loosers.
His speech sounds inspirational first time. I have heard the same stuff for third time and he sounds like a zombie. He should at least rearrange his punchlines.

#42: Straus & Howe are the historians that kind of wrote the story on this stuff and they end the boom at 1961 (not that I agree, for most purposes I think the 1964 break is better). But I never claimed he himself wasn't a Boomer, just that his candidacy and followers signified a break. If he wins, historians 100 years from now will mark it as the moment of a generational shift in the electorate: fewer GI and Silent voters as well. He could not have been drafted into Vietnam...that's the break for most historians. Obama's place was never in question, I'm curious about Erica's actually. She reminds me so much of my early 90s Naomi Wolf college years but her writing style seems much younger.

ECB didn't dunk on us, Lloyd, she committed a flagrant foul in the lane. Obama shoots three to make two.

They're virtually tied on delegates, people. Clinton gets the big prize, but Obama has a LOT of blowout victories. A 19 delegate advantage from CO, 30 from GA, 12 from Idaho (81 percent!), 49 from IL, 15 from KS, 25 from Minnesota. Clinton cleaned up by smaller margins in some larger states: NY (+39), AR (+17), MA (+14), NJ (+11) to go with CA's +78 (but shrinking by the hour). (All numbers very rough, just percentage times delegates). She's ahead by ELEVEN on the night. That's a tie.

And Obama has a zillion dollars in the bank, and a zillion donors who've only given $100 each. Clinton's tapped out.

Erica, who's probably celebrating right now, is utterly overlooking the strategic coup the Obama campaign pulled off tonight, by focusing its resources on smaller states and collecting the majority of delegates available. ECB can revel in a California "victory" - but it's a hollow victory because Clinton is actually further away from the actual nomination as a result of today's voting than she was when the day began.

@41: Absentee ballots, sent in before Edwards dropped out.

It's no foul to dunk on someones snout, Fnarf.

I know the game's still going, but I did jump up and say WOOOOO!

This is causing a snag in the results as we speak:
http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=7828312

By the way, which Dem candidate do you think most of the heavily populated Bay Area is going for?

The gap in my numbers is now SEVEN delegates. Every percentage point in Cal is four; things are still shifting.

On the other hand, if Cali districts break like states do -- Obama winning huge in some, Clinton winning by less -- Clinton will get a lot more delegates out of it, because the districts are winner-takes-all, and Obama doesn't get any points for winning big in rancho counties.

Clinton won.

Stop whining about what one reporter/slogger in Seattle wrote or said. Clinton in CA by a pretty good margin, NY of course, Mass., NJ, and so on. Winning more delegates=winning.

You can't say Obama dind't get his message out with his $14 million of TV ads. You can't say he got bad press covereage -- it's been a love fest for him the last 9 days.
He can still win it, no doubt. He is a great candidate. But the headline is "Clinton Wins California, Builds Narrow Delegate Lead."

Following up on Fnarf @47... Chuck Todd of MSNBC is estimating 841 delegates for Obama, 837 for Clinton tonight. I don't know how the heck he arrived at those numbers, or how the heck he could arrive at them so soon. But if it's true that Obama came out of the night with more delegates, or even just a few fewer delegates, that's just an unbelievable upset.

People, remember just a few weeks ago, Hillary Clinton had 20+-point leads in a number of states. Obama managed dramatically cut into those leads. (Well, let's see how much he ends up cutting into the CA lead.)

I realize that Super Tuesday wasn't entirely deliberately set up to provide a bulwark to defend an establishment front-runner against a challenger's onslaught. It kinda happened by accident because all these states wanted to grab the earliest slot imaginable...

Anyway, I realize this bulwark wasn't deliberate, but Super Tuesday wound up for Hillary Clinton like these elaborate ramparts built around an ancient city in preparation for an invasion. Obama didn't quite breach the wall tonight, but he appears to have found a crack in it.

This is a pointless, bitchy post Erica.
Hit your ignore button next time.

California's delegate allocation is actually quite complicated.

"in each of our state’s 53 Congressional Districts. 241 of California’s 441 delegates are elected based on the share of the vote the candidates for President receive in those districts. Only 81 delegates are elected “at-large” and go to the winner of the statewide vote."

It is not winner take all by congressional district.

34% in California? I realize those are preliminary but as an Obama fan that worries me. Hispanic vote was obviously a big factor for Clinton, but there has to be more than that.

"There is no doubt ... we hope and pray every night to run against Hillary Clinton," - Ari Fleischer, on CNN

The GOP is in pieces, especially after tonight, and the only hope to reunite their fractured factions is...

It must be all over, Erica has sung!

It is not that hard to understand. Obama may have the Black votes but things aren't so rosy with the other minority voters. People don't like to talk about race but it does matter.

Doesn't anyone care about my vaginal poetry series? I've included movements!

Don't tell me I've wasted a panty liner on you people.

No clear margarine of victory for anyone it seems - always a good thing at this point in the game. Obama landslides in Idaho with what - fewer votes than there were drunks at Moe's? Mirabile dictu.

ECB - it's your microphone, everyone else should adjust just a tad. It will all come out in the wash sooner or later and we'll all or die or live (un)happily ever after.

And the Huckabeers coming out of the woodwork - never underestimate the addictive power of the Bibble during these hard Creationist times.

Sven, you're looking great - keep up the good work. Poe Boy - ditto. Wanted to discuss the Oscars with Annie but too many people were a-bustle and a-twitter, hoping for Hillary to declare, despite her post-menopausal stage: "There will be blood."

In fact, Clinton could win by over 20% and still come away with a similar number of delegates as Obama.

She needs to win a district by 62% to take all the delegates, otherwise they are split.

I cannot find primary results by district (if anyone can find it, please post a link), but looking at the county map, the only areas of the state that Clinton was winning by more than 60% were Riverside and San Berdoo.

Also as of a few minutes ago, Alameda County wasn't even reporting.

Andy Niable @58, it's so funny. I wrote down on a slip of paper tonight: "We pray every night to run against Hillary Clinton." -- Ari Fleischer

@1: Right on. ECB, why the attitude? I know 16-year-olds with more composure. What gives?

like oh my gawd!

@64: It's like some sort of First-Lady edition of the Manchurian Candidate.

ECB--I may totally disagree with you on Hillary, but I'd never tell you to shut-up. You just keep posting, picking apart, explaining, groaning, screaming, etc., and Sloggers will just keep pushing back with our own take.

Hopefully when the dust settles on November 5th, we won't be not saddled with McCuckabee and the Cheney Machine. If "Mr 100-years-in-Iraq" trounces Ari's Wet Dream, heaven help us...

We promise not to say We Told You So. Promise.

a clarification to my post @63:

"In the 26 congressional districts that are allocated four delegates, one candidate would have to get more than 62.500% of the vote, otherwise, both candidates will get two delegates each. In the six congressional districts that are allocated six delegates, one candidate would have to get more than 58.330% of the vote to get four delegates, otherwise each gets three delegates."

from:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/delegates_in_california_a_caut_1.php

Hey Jubilation, remember Wally Mondale? The Democrats in 1984 loved ol' Wally, he was their boy, he had the support of the party faithful and he whomped all over Jesse Jackson and Gary Hart at the convention. He had all the right moves and did all the right things to please the party faithful, including picking Geraldine Ferraro to fill the VP slot.

So the party faithful, the base, loved Wally, but despite all of their love he went on to have his ass handed to him by Ronald Reagan in the general election! Mondale was Reagan's bitch! For a senile old B-movie actor Ronnie sure did a great job of bending Wally over and fucking him like a bitch. Then he made him go A2M, pecker-slapped Geraldine Ferraro into a coma and rode happily off into the sunset to enjoy four more years in the Oval Office.

At the end of the evening Reagan had won 49 of the 50 states, 58 percent of the popular vote, 525 out of 538 electoral votes and came within 3,800 votes of winning the 10 electoral votes of Minnesota, ol Wally's home state.

It was almost as if Mondale, who was a lot more experienced than Hillary Clinton, decided to run his election in such a way as to provide generations political science professors with an example of how a candidate can win the primaries and caucuses and still lose overwhelmingly in the general election.

2008 is not 1984, but the principal remains, you can win your party's nomination and still lose big in the general election because you don't get any cross-over voters from the other party (a big part of Reagan's '84 success) or the independent vote. Hillary Clinton is not going to get any cross-over votes from any Republicans, well, other than Ann Coulter that is, and she really doesn't have that much support from independents either. Hillary Clinton is also the one candidate who offers the Republicans, who are currently engaged in some of the most delightful political infighting ever, a candidate that they can unite against. Republicans might not like John McCain, but they loathe Hillary, and the claim put forward by her supporters that this won't matter because she's already been smeared by the Republican slime-machine is one of the most patently ridiculous things ever claimed in a political campaign. If Hillary gets the nomination that machine is going to be revving a lot higher than it ever was back in the 1990s.

It's also going to be fun watching Hillary debate John McCain if they get their respective party nominations. I can't wait to see how Hillary tries to tap-dance, triangulate and tip-toe around the issue of her support for going to war, for the PATRIOT act, for the Kyl-Lieberman resolution. I can't wait until John McCain asks her "Senator, you and I both voted for the Iraq war, we both voted to continue it, we both voted for Kyl-Lieberman and you supported torture as a US policy before changing your mind. Senator, could you explain your flip-flopping?"

I'll vote for the bitch, I'll hold my nose and choke while I fill out my ballot, but I'll vote for her over any of the Republicans. If Hillary wins, and that's a huge, huge, huge if, I have no illusions that she will get us out of Iraq nor do I have any illusions as to what she can accomplish domestically. Hillary Clinton fucked up on health care and the Clinton machine tossed whoever they had to under the bus back in the 1990s if that's what it took to win. Also as the Marc Rich pardon, and later donations by his wife to Clinton's senatorial campaign, the Clinton library donations and the Norman Hsu affair showed the Clintons are still as corrupt, slimy and grasping as they ever were.

* (that should be "we wont be saddled")

@67 -

We promise not to say We Told You So. Promise.

I don't.

@69--I was thinking the same thing. Mondale even used the same charge against Hart, with his appropriation of the slogan "where's the beef" in terms of Hart's ideas.

Shudder.

It's not over yet. Obama's far from out.

But... didn't Grampa McCain say he'd only serve one term?

1. Erica is right - his speaking is sounding canned. With months to go, the "my father was a mill worker" gig will sound fresh and classy. For those who have not been subjected to churchie oration, well, you are getting it.

2. Obama better take the VP.

3. Mc Cain is the BIGGEST winner. Get ready as Republicans face reality and start giving him all the money in the world. "Sitting it out", Christian liars.

4. How very exciting, simple little corner of the USA, the real Washington, now has gigantic sway and will have a full day or two more of fame.

5. Exciting. Exciting. Ride it folks, history in your faces and you quibble like middle schoolers fighting for the porn snapshots.

@67--(my fingers were crossed when i typed "we promise")

Dear ECB,

Clinton could not even pull off a 60% majority in her adopted home state. Obama pulled off 60% majorities in eight of the states he captured. Whats that say? Mean Clinton's screwed because no one is going to vote for her over the McCain & Huck-a-nut ticket.

Maybe it's time for you to wake up and smell the reality, Obama wins red states, Clinton does not. Without Red States we get four more years of failure.

Cressona, when one side wins more delegates and the other side wins the vote totals by a much larger proportional margin, you can at best argue that's a tie.
Not an upset.
Upset = winning.
Obama didn't win.

if you break it down Obama's wins are :
-home state
-GA. (for the reason that can't be mentioned)
-MO, CT, hey, not bad.
-a bunch of teeny tiny states where he went and campaigned and had a big rally, which Hillary ignored, and some of which like ND UT ID are just irrelevant to winning in the fall.

Hillary won
-CA by a large margin:
--home state
--Mass. !! Where Obama had lots of advantages.
--NJ another big state.
--other middle sized states.

Obama's message didn't work, that's why he lost. He had plenty of time what with his millions in TV ads and all the free TV media from Kennedy, Shriver, etc. If we had any kind of winner take all, he'd be done right now.

Todd is now projecting that after tonight Clinton will have a 58 delegate lead. Yes, it's neck and neck. Yes, I believe that after next week he will be ahead, particularly due to DC-Md-Va.
But then we have more big states again including, down the road, Ohio and Texas and Penn.

The analogs for these largish states are not the "caucus states" nor "the tiny population-mountain state where Obama had the biggest rally in history and which Hillary ignored."
The analogs to TX, OH and PA are CA, MA and NJ.

@73--its hardly "quibbling" when talking winning/losing strategies with so much at stake. But let the fray continue.

In the meantime, everyone get off your opinionated asses and find out your caucus location. Hillary, Obama, Ron Paul, whoever--put that passion into action and participate in the process.

Democrats--this was posted earlier on an Obama email web:

"I do not understand the reasons, but there are certain precincts that have recently changed caucus locations and the http://www.wa-democrats.org/caucusfinder tool is NOT accurate for those changed precincts. For example, I am in 43-3262, my caucus location has changed, and the caucus finder STILL HAS THE WRONG LOCATION. I’ve called the powers that be, and they’re trying to update things quickly, but my caucus location is still inaccurate at the wa-democrats search tool.

I would strongly encourage people to CONFIRM their caucus locations by calling the Caucus Hotline at (206) 583-4345 or e-mail grassroots@wa-democrats.org."

PS:
stil waiting for just one of the superdelegates who verbally pledged to one candidate to switch to the other one.

The WA GOP primary is on the 19th by the way.

This Saturday's caucus is Dem only.

@69:

You twisted, angry, internet freakshow -- thanks for writing.

In fact, the Mondale campaign is EXACTLY why I'm supporting Hillary. You see, in 1984 I lived in Manhattan, and I went to a rally in Times Square and saw Mondale & Ferraro. There were nearly a million people there, according to the news.

"A million people!" I thought. "They can't lose."

Your facts regarding the election are all too correct.

And yet I continued to cast my allegiance with the candidates who appealed to me emotionally -- who talked about gays and the poor and equality and an end to economic injustice.

Well, I finally quit doing that this year.

But whichever Dem wins in the end, I'll work my ass off for them. And I have a big, fat ass.

back to erica's original post (not your best work, btw), I have to say I had almost the same omg reaction watching Hilary have to refer to notes as she thanked Bill, Chelsea, and her mom.

seems she could at least wing that part with some conviction.

but i don't hate her.

wile_e_quixote @69 - THANK YOU... this is what I've been going on and on about.

We need to be smart and pick a candidate WHO CAN WIN, which is what this is all about. It's not about stumping for the candidate that excites you most, or the candidate who looks most like you, or the candidate that'll make the biggest statement. It's about the candidate with the best chance of winning the Election so that we dont get completely ass fucked AGAIN by the Republicans.

I can't believe after Gore and Kerry that still hasnt set in.

Sheesh!

@8--Yes, Yes, I'll work my skinny ass for Democratic Nominee X or Y.

And then I'm sure hoping AFTER all that hard work it's NOT gonna be a 50.1%-mandateless "victory" followed by Whitewater/Vince Foster/Travelgate 2.0 G.O.P.-Investigatathon Redux Congressional Gridlock all over again.

(that should have been @80, not @8)

End result: Sen Clinton brought out the big guns, but even on a playing field mostly in her favor, she only managed to hold a very slim edge.

Advantage: Obama.

If John McCain becomes our next President, I'm blaming your vagina, ECB.

@79 - wrong. If you happen to be GOP (translation: a traitor), only 40 percent comes from the Primary and the rest comes from this Saturday's caucus.

So, if you're supporting Sen Clinton, send in your primary ballot and go back to sleep.

If you're supporting Sen Obama, the caucus is this Saturday.

If you're suppporting Sen McCain - go enlist.

and Alaska goes 3 to 1 for Obama...

"1. Erica is right - his speaking is sounding canned."

Wow. And i thought i had drunk a teeny bit much, @73 ....

dude, eli called me out. a person that is paid to write for slog, called me out for being an asshat. i feel bad that he feels he needs to make a point with an anonymous poster who is going to continue to do what he does, without spite towards him. eli, you seem like a nice guy, but i cant believe ive gotten to you like this. im in your head.

Finding anything interesting, in there?

(1) NPR is calling it as 725 to 625 delegates for Clinton if you include supes, 512 to 486 if you don't. So an unambiguous win for HRC, whatever the spin meisters might say.
(2) Fun event at Moe's, as always. Boy did we all miss Original Monique, though.
(2) ECB was right- Obama's speech was too long. Even the Obama supporters, (the vast majority at Moe's) were getting bored. The quiet at the beginning of the speech had given way to general chatter by the end.
(3) Thank you, Rhett@62. Life is good.
(4) I loved hearing the cries of "red states!" at Moe's. Ummm... Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Arizona much?
(5) Andy James@8: perhaps you are too sensitive for the rough and tumble world of presidential elections.
(6) queen_of_sleeze is the new Ecce.
(7) And last but not least, Trey@48...

it's a hollow victory because Clinton is actually further away from the actual nomination as a result of today's voting than she was when the day began.

No more fear tactics. We're not afraid of change and we're going with what our hearts say. We want a candidate who will bring together Americans, not polarize them.

I'm caucusing for Obama.

Oh and #82, even though I agree with your choice of candidate, it is EXACTLY that kind of rhetoric that got Kerry the nomination.

Normally, I'd blast this wall with "insightful" insults... Instead, I offer this: I pray Hillary can win the general election. Fuck.

@Big Sven....Aw, I just read your comment! I miss you guys too (and you look so happy and drunk in that pic). but I am having a lovely time in Germany, eating a Berliner and reading up on the Super Tuesday posts. It's 9:30am here and I am amped. Coffee + German Brot + Berliner + Slog = Happy.

I am glad to see that Clinton won California, Florida (even with 0 delegates) and New York. Those states are so important to win the big election.

And I can't wait to see this Obama speech that goes on forever. If he used the "I know a woman named Eda Munson who has XXX and can't pay her bills" I am going to start calling him Edwardian.

Big Sven, dude, I love ya but calling a 26 delegate lead (regulars, not supes) in today's results an "unambiguous win" for Clinton is just as much spin as you accuse the Obama folks of doing.

This was a clearly ambiguous result that leaves neither candidate as the decided front runner. Especially given the vagaries in the way California apportions delegates. I've spent a bunch of time this evening looking at the Cal maps and as best I can tell the only part of the state where Clinton will really get more delegates is the Mex border areas.

The next few states favor Obama. And then we get several large states that favor Obama. I think Clinton ends up the nominee, but this ain't close to settled yet. We'll be debating this at least one month from now and probably two.

oops! make that: several large states that favor CLINTON.

sheesh

CNN has it 525-514 right now.

gnossos-

I didn't say tonight made Clinton the front runner. But winning the most delegates means you won the night. Period.

100!

You guys are gonna be a hoot in the next NINE LOOOONG MONTHS until the General Election

Good night

@99 Big Sven, point taken.

Meanwhile, every flop in the Cal. count for the last several hours shows Clinton's lead decreasing. And her delegate lead is also declining.

Tuesday may well be a wash. Clinton gets to claim wining big states (w/more electoral votes). Obama gets to claim more states (esp. those that don't normally swing Democrat).

This thing is still up in the air.

Thank the racist Hispanics in California for Clinton victory!

Sweet. ECB is a troll on her own blog.

Shark...jump...what?

Where's ECB this morning, now that the projections are for Obama to come out ahead in the delegate count?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8358.html

Don't worry @ 104, ECB still has a chance of the Clinton-leaning superdelegate count to subvert the will of the people.

#69: Totally agreed. It's what I've been saying for months but if Clinton gets the nomination I hope I'm/we're wrong. I really do. However, I fear we might not be--specially if McCain gets Huckabee as his running mate to rally the base.

If the Democrats put Hillary on the ticket and succeed in, once again, only pulling those same reliable Blue States Kerry won in 04 I'll have to just change my voter registration to independent. It would be too embarrassing to be a member of a party that could not take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where the opposite party was in shambles.

Seriously Erica? Get over it! Someone needs their nap? Sometimes you ask for the verbal smack down

Erica,

Because of YOU, if Hillary gets the nomination I am voting republican across the board in November. And it is because of YOU.

March of the baby name-callers, right?

Well there we go. What a difference eight hours makes. Looks like Obama did win last night. Good call, gnossos.

Barring further changes, congratulations to Obama and his supporters on a good night. Particularly compelling was his win in my home state, MN. 67%-32%. And MN is the whitest state of any significant population (sorry, ND), so race had nothing to do with it.

ps- fuck the haters.

Lisle@102:

Thank the racist Hispanics in California for Clinton victory!

The racist hispanics? Like the racist hispanics who went 50%-50% for Obama in IL? Those racist hispanics?

do the Obama supporters relly think that winning AK UT ND shows those states will vote democratic in the fall?
If so, please pass the 'shrooms.

Winning a democratic primary --even in NM AZ CO -- by either Obama or Clinton -- is no indication the state is goign D in the fall. There are indications we can get NM CO NV but they have nothing to do with which person is the nominee.

What's most telling is Obama's difficulty winning large, populaous states. He got his home state and Georgia and that's about it. CT, fine. Home state, AA state, chablis state. But not CA NY MA (!!!) NJ. He's missing the broad core of voters most concerned about the economy and getting things done.

This, after getting lovefest coverage for a week and putting his millions up in TV ads for a week. This shows his message isn't working so hot.

It seems that in addition to the 3 mentioned above, he can do well in smaller states where one big Obama rally can drive a caucus result. He'll take WAshington for sure, NE but maybe not LA (it's a more like Tenn. perhaps than MS or GA, post Katrina).

He'll take DC, probably 80%. MD.too. Probably not VA.

Then he's looking at Ohio and Texas. Then Penn.

So far although he got his messsage out amply, he hasn't won big states like those. The problem isn't Hillary's name ID or front runner status for a year; it's his message and qualifications.
Otherwise -- he woulda won in Mass and CA and NJ.

@112: The real news, UnPC, is Obama's appeal to independents--the people who actually elect the President.

Even though these were primaries, Obama won independents by large margins in most regions, including states in Clinton's column, such as Arizona and New Jersey, where one out of five primary voters were independents. He won them by 15 points in Clinton's home state of New York, and by 30 points in California. In the swing state of Missouri, independents flocked to Obama by a decisive 37 points.

If a primary is a way of determining the best candidate to win...

Look at all you Obama bitches getting bent out of shape over this awesome post. Y'all STINK!

@90. You are hardly an anonymous poster. If you post all the time (which you do) and show up at the Thursday Slog drink-fests (which apparently you do) and/or the Moe's thing last night, you are a member of a community. Like, you know, an actual person, rather than an anonymous internet troll.

If you're an asshat as an anonymous troll, fine, you're anonymous, that doesn't necessarily say anything about your character. But, if you're an asshat as a member of a community, then, you're just an asshat, my friend.

It's ObamaTRON, not ObamaTON. We're robots, not clones. Get your facts straight, loser.

OH MY GOD.

Is ECB seriously STILL posting?

Sadly, yes, @117.

Jubilation T. Cornball @ 80

You twisted, angry, internet freakshow -- thanks for writing.

Oooooohhhh, sounds like someone had too many Cosmo-tinis last night at Moe's and now has a nasty hangover. Drink lots of fluids and take some aspirin and Vitamin B. Also if you can get it straight oxygen is a *fantastic* hangover cure.

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You took the words right outta my mouth. I really think he's all about buzz words. Change. Inspire. Yes. Change. Inspire. Yes.

What is he going to deliver?!