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Friday, February 22, 2008

Now Everyone’s Saying It

posted by on February 22 at 10:26 AM

Boston Globe:

The closing scene—and Hillary Clinton’s last words—at the crucial debate Thursday night in Texas set pundits to opine that, just perhaps, Clinton is coming to terms with the fact that she’s not going to win the Democratic nomination…

New York Times blog The Caucus:

Last night’s debate ended with a riveting moment that left many Caucus Readers suspecting that Senator Hillary Clinton was conceding the race.

Associated Press:

It was an unexpectedly gracious moment in a debate that was supposed to be a game changer for Clinton before the crucial Texas and Ohio primaries March 4. After losing 11 straight contests to Obama in a race now clearly breaking his way, the former first lady chose the high road and even delivered what sounded to many like the dress rehearsal for a campaign valedictory address.

Slog commenters:

I’m glad that she’s taking the high road; if the race is over, at least she’s not taking Mark Penn’s scorched-earth policy.

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Posted by Mr. Poe | February 22, 2008 10:27 AM

Mr. Poe?

Hillary's not going to win.


Posted by NapoleonXIV | February 22, 2008 10:42 AM

Na na na na. Na na na na. Hey hey hey.

Good Bye.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass Hillary.

Good Riddance.

Posted by Reality Check | February 22, 2008 10:42 AM

After #2 and #3 I want to be the token Obama supporter who doesn't gloat. Because Hillary really isn't terrible (she's a poor administrator, a smart and often decent person, a middling candidate). But getting off on her (seemingly inevitable) demise? No thanks.

Posted by Andy James | February 22, 2008 10:53 AM

Is this all really happening? The candidate I actually prefer is going all the way? I have lived in fear that I would have to hold my nose and vote for Clinton...but I still don't want to count chickens.

Posted by mr.happy | February 22, 2008 10:55 AM

I just wanted to gloat at Poe.

And maybe ECB.

Ultimately, Hillary will prove a great administrator. But not a leader.

Forty years after the fact, we can remember who said "I have a dream."

In another forty years, who will remember the guy who says: "I will implement a twelve-point plan"?

Posted by NapoleonXIV | February 22, 2008 10:58 AM

I'm happy that it looks as if Obama will win - but I'm with 5, no counting chickens yet! And I wouldn't gloat even if (when) Clinton does lose. It's just tacky.

Posted by Joey the Girl | February 22, 2008 11:01 AM

Actually, the combination of this campaign and the 93-94 health care debacle have convinced me that Hillary is an incompetent administrator, and probably would be one in the White House.

Obama, on the other hand, looks like he knows how to run a show.

Posted by Andy James | February 22, 2008 11:02 AM

@4 I'm not gloating. I'm very serious.

I'm not going to laundry list all her negatives, but understand that you have been manipulated by the Clinton spin machine, and are now eating out of her palm. She is the same witch she was in the past. Only Million$ of marketing dollars have "softened" her image for consumption by the general public.

Underneath all that fluff the real Billary lurks.

She is a wolf in sheeps clothing, and a terrible legislator who has gotten by on her husband's coattails.

The end if finally near.

I will be popping a bottle of fine wine while listening to her concession speech.

In fact, I think we should throw a SLOG party while listening to it.

Anyone in? Moe's on the afternoon the news officially breaks?

Posted by Reality Check | February 22, 2008 11:12 AM

Before I say anything else, let me say I am supporting Obama. But I feel like this is really being blown up by the media. If you actually read what she said, vs. the way it's being talked about, it seems like what she's doing is providing some sense of healthy perspective to the whole thing, not necessarily conceding. I actually think if more candidates spoke this way during campaigns, it would be much better for our country. I mean, yes, you run for President because you want to be President, but to not have some sense of perspective on the possibility people might choose someone else and that that choice could potentially serve the public interests well, even if differently than you propose, is really fucked. I'm so tired of it, politicians trying to convince us that if you don't choose them, the alternative is Armageddon or something. We need people who see public service as a SERVICE or contribution to the world, not an entitlement or even prize to be won. It's called humility, and it seems to be rarely expressed to any degree of sincerity by any politician these days. If she had carried and voiced this perspective consistently throughout her campaign (particularly at the beginning when she was considered inevitable), maybe Senator Clinton might find herself in a different place now.

Posted by bookworm | February 22, 2008 11:16 AM

Hello? John McCain headquarters? How do I sign up?

Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty | February 22, 2008 11:16 AM

Sore winners are assholes.

Posted by Fnarf | February 22, 2008 11:21 AM

The press intially spun the pre NH tears as "maybe the end of Hillary" and that led to a wave of sympathy that changed the race. The fact that Hillary quoted the reporter promting the NH tears suggests she believe it can happen again. Maybe so

Posted by jonglix | February 22, 2008 11:23 AM

I won't believe Senator Clinton is out of the race until she says so, directly, in an actual concession speech and endorses Obama for the good of the Democratic Party and for the good of the United States.

I won't gloat. It doesn't help anybody and certainly won't encourage Hillary supporters to vote for another candidate in the fall, much less work for him.

But I will continue to work hard, which is what we ALL need to do if we want to pull our country out of the Bush Dark Ages. We can't just sit around, watch cable or YouTube, point fingers or blog, and otherwise be unengaged in the process. A passionate opinion, albeit a good start, doesn't make anything happen. You want a great president? Get out there and elect one.

Posted by Andy Niable | February 22, 2008 11:24 AM

I'm not gonna gloat until I hear McCain's concession speech in November.

Posted by Mike of Renton | February 22, 2008 11:26 AM

"Don't let the door hit you in the ass Hillary. Good Riddance."


Posted by unPC | February 22, 2008 11:27 AM

I agree with Mike of Renton. It ain't over till the Hundred Year Warrior gives up.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 22, 2008 11:28 AM

i don't know, maybe because i drank the kool-aid long ago, but i thought it was one of her more honest moments about why she's running. i thought it was great well-worded strategy, but for some reason, when hillary clinton shows she has a soul, the media tends to assume that equals weakness. that's dumb. as a hillary supporter, the truth i believe to be behind statements like the one she made last night is a major reason for my support for her.

i know the odds at his point are looking slim for her, but calling it now when it's still so close, and so many delegates are still at stake, and we are talking about clintonian ingenuity here, is just silly and impatient. that was hillary clinton speaking as hillary clinton, sincerely, and i thought she did it well.

Posted by kim | February 22, 2008 11:29 AM

Amazingly, her campaign is trying to spin this into how Presidential she sounded. Were they watching a different debate than I was?

Posted by AMB | February 22, 2008 11:43 AM

I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm not counting the chickens yet. He still hasn't won the primary, much less the general election. I think and hope he will win both, but that remains to be seen.

As for Hillary Clinton, I admire her and think that aside from Obama she's the best Democrat in my lifetime (since 1969) to get this close to the presidency. Ted Kennedy would probably have been a better president, but he was never as competitive as Clinton has been. Bill Clinton was a skillful politician, but I'd rather have Hillary as president of the two of them. Carter was a better person but a lousy leader. If Hillary manages to pull out the nomination somehow, she will be the best Democratic nominee of my lifetime. She's much better than Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, McGovern, and Humphrey. I prefer her to Bill, and think she would be a better president than Carter (and certainly better than any GOP president by a mile).

If it wasn't for Bill Clinton, I'd want Hillary Clinton to be the VP for Obama. But there's no way that egomaniac would be able to keep himself from meddling in the Obama presidency. He'll be hard enough to deal with even if Hillary isn't the VP. I think someone should pay him a few million a year to keep him on an ongoing international speaking tour. Or maybe Obama could appoint him as Secretary of State or Middle East envoy and keep him in delicate diplomatic negotiations for the next eight years.

Posted by Cascadian | February 22, 2008 11:53 AM

Hmm. Although I am an Obama supporter, the questions about Clinton's administrative abilities got me playing a game of What If. (Play along, it's fun.) Instead of running for the U.S. Senate in New York in 2000, what if Hillary Clinton had run for GOVERNOR of New York in 2002? In this hypothetical, of course, she would have defeated a popular incumbent, George Pataki, and won re-election in 2006. By Election Day 2008, she would have had six years of experience governing a powerful state, she may have implemented a successful health care plan at the state level, she wouldn't have had an opportunity to cast her disastrous Iraq vote, and she would have proven that she is capable of defeating a moderate Republican. And national voters love them governors! I think that experience as New York's governor may have given a Hillary Clinton candidacy for President a different, more advantageous spin in 2008. Then again, maybe she would have been trounced by Pataki in 2002, or proven to be a terrible administrator, or seen her health care plan ripped to shreds by conservatives in the state legislature, or brought New York politics to a gutter-level of partisan politics even worse than it is today with Eliot Spitzer in power. But still I have to wonder ... What If?

Posted by Bub | February 22, 2008 12:00 PM

Oh, and Hillary's debate moment? Pure class. She won the debate right then and there. (Not that it matters--she's pretty much won every debate, while losing most primaries.) I really think that this is the real Hillary Clinton, that her advisers and her cautious style constantly suppress in favor of the cool, professional, experienced leader that they're pushing the rest of the time. If she ran as the person who emerges in moments like this, she would win the nomination. The tragedy of her political career is that she's afraid to be herself. She's afraid that she'll be criticized by the media and political establishment as being weak and emotionally manipulative, which is probably true, but if you can't make your own personality an asset then you're never going to win a hard-fought election. It's the same reason she voted for the war--it was the cool, professional, experienced thing to do. And now she's losing the election in large part because of that vote.

Posted by Cascadian | February 22, 2008 12:03 PM

thats it. i can't do it. i can't vote for obama. hillary was not my first choice, nor even my second. but many of these obama supporters are such assholes that i can't get behind him. i can't see through their stink-cloud to even get to him. i don't know what i'll do in november, but i don't think i'll be able to pull his lever.

Posted by no i cant | February 22, 2008 12:05 PM
The tragedy of her political career is that she's afraid to be herself. She's afraid that she'll be criticized by the media and political establishment as being weak and emotionally manipulative, which is probably true, but if you can't make your own personality an asset then you're never going to win a hard-fought election. It's the same reason she voted for the war--it was the cool, professional, experienced thing to do. And now she's losing the election in large part because of that vote.

This, right here. It's a shame she's apparently unable to remove the hands of all those tired old DLC hacks from her ass. (No, not in the literal sense, you pervs.)

Posted by tsm | February 22, 2008 12:14 PM

no worries, no i cant. i'm sure mccain's supporters are much nicer than obama's, so you'll be able to vote for him with a clear conscience.

i wouldn't be so quick to count her out. she's still hammering at seating the FL and MI delegates, while advance-spinning a loss in TX, saying it doesn't matter because it's a red state...

this is just getting silly.

Posted by brandon | February 22, 2008 12:16 PM


Are you on drugs?

Get real.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 22, 2008 12:21 PM

@25 I never said I'd vote for McCain. I'm pretty sure that will never happen.

Posted by no i can't | February 22, 2008 12:25 PM

That's right, no i can't, go ahead and ignore the actual candidate and let a bunch of heady, overpassionate kids with bad manners spoil your vote, and if everyone follows your example, deprive the country of good leadership, just because you're peeved at some ill-behaved political cheerleaders. Very mature. Guess we'll all have to ride along as the country goes (the rest of the way) to hell in a handbasket. Have you found a campaign with supporters that you approve of so you can vote for that candidate? Or are you just going to join the apathetic millions who complains about the problems from the sidelines but does nothing find and engage solutions...

Am I having Y2K flashbacks to "Al Gore is too smug, I'm voting for that guy from Texas (or not voting at all"? Look where that got us...

Posted by Andy Niable | February 22, 2008 12:36 PM

it was a j-o-k-e, peeps. really, if you base your vote on whose supporters you like best... when the general rolls around, who are you going to pick? i just think it's kind of silly to be making threats about not voting for someone because his supporters on a blog are a bunch of meanies.

and hell, i don't have to wait for november. i'd pull obama's lever any day [hey-O!].

Posted by brandon | February 22, 2008 12:38 PM

I would have preferred Al Gore but damn, I am fucking thrilled it looks like it will be Obama.

I am so shocked we are getting a decent candidate I am thinking I am asleep. AND I wonder how the Democrats will fuck this all up by November.

Posted by Andrew | February 22, 2008 1:46 PM

I didn't think she was conceding, I thought she was trying to do damage control after getting booed for being petty. She figured out what the people like, and she gave it to them.

Now, with this "she's conceding with a refreshing grace" talk, I predict she's going to rise up and disabuse everyone of that, and with no grace, or even acknowlegement of reality, whatsoever. In fact it's already happening with that MI/FL talk.

Posted by Phoebe | February 22, 2008 3:23 PM

The only thing I will concede is that I enormous penis!!!

Posted by Christopher Frizzelle's Enormous Penis | February 22, 2008 6:38 PM

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