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Tornadoes: Harsh storm slams the South, 48 dead.

God's clearly pissed at them. Probably something to do with Mike Huckabee.

zogby is full of shit. thats for sure.

@1: Stop being hateful! Would you say such a thing if one of your loved ones perished?

Three dead in Kentucky. But good riddance, says Dan Savage.

ditto on Zogby. If you ever seen him being interviewed, he's a fucking buffoon. somehow he fails to realize that the the notion of 'trusted', 'respected' are an important currency in his line of business.

Anyway the real chumps are the folks that pay him, so I guess props to Zogby.

ditto on Zogby. If you ever seen him being interviewed, he's a fucking buffoon. somehow he fails to realize that the the notion of 'trusted', 'respected' are an important currency in his line of business.

Anyway the real chumps are the folks that pay him, so I guess props to Zogby.

Oops ... seven Kentuckians dead. My bad.

@3

As a matter of fact, yes. And have done, on many occasions.

It's not the delegates, stooopid, it's the superdelegates. They will be choosing our nominee.

@8: Wow! It's sad that you live such a miserable life.

Watching the US map of delegates last night, I was driven nuts that the TV networks colored in Florida and Michigan for Clinton.

Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! -- and Clinton shouldn't have been there either. She won simply because she didn't play by the rules.

In Florida, where candidates didn't campaign, it was clear that a front runner with name recognition was going to win.

If HRC loses to Obama without the Florida and Michigan delegates, however she does instead win with them, and the DNC party bosses are "persuaded" to have them count, I fear anarchy in the Democratic Party.

We'd all better hope one of the two wins without Florida and Michigan.

I'll be someone who ensures that legal action is taken for a corrupt system.

Reality Check

Did anyone else notice the NYT story today on Obama Girl? Seems she blew off the primary. Too funny.

You're describing fistfights on the convention floor, Reality Check. Good for sloggers, bad for Democrats.

@8

Yes, that was exactly the point I was making. Well spotted.

@ 13 Fnarf

I hope it really doesn't come to that, and that the integrity of the system trumps any "funny politics". However we have seen in the past that the Clintonista campaign will stoop to anything to win. Nothing will get in their way of the Oval Office.

Cheating to win the nomination isn't beneath HRC, and I will not support a nominee that uses the "system", party favors, and other slick tactics to secure her place.

If it goes to that... well.. the writing is on the wall that it will fracture the Democratic Party. I'm sure Hillary doesn't care, but does the DNC?

I'm not talking about cheating, I'm talking about fighting to seat barred delegates. Obama's people are going to be punching just as hard to keep them out of there.

@16

I think that Obama should fight the good fight. It is up to the people of their respective state to fire/replace their party heads who tried to break the rules. They shouldn't be allowed to count, as they were warned by the DNC to not move their date around. They had plenty of advanced warning, and were repeatedly told to not do it, but they went ahead anyways and bullheadedly didn't listen.

Consequently they now have to suffer the consequences and sit out of the nomination convention.

Are we not a country of rules and laws? Do some just get to break those rules arbitrarily with no consequences?

Sorry but they didn't follow guidelines that had been handed to them. They can't come back crying now afterwards and claim "not fair"

Reality Check

Once again, Sen Clinton won individual battles (media attention) while Sen Obama won the war (more delegates).

No, super-delegates do not count, CNN! They change with the wind.

@18, Clinton won the popular vote. I know it doesn't mean anything, but it is significant, no?

Also, I distrust all the delegate claims. None of the networks have yet allocated California's 81 winner-take-all delegates to Clinton. Why is that?

I'd like to see Obama's spreadsheet. If they allocated those 81 delegates to Clinton, I'd concede that he won more delegates.

Clinton didn't win the popular vote. People forget that the totals for the caucus states are delegates, not voters. Once you account for the actual attendence, Obama wins the most votes, the most states and most importantly, the most delegates.

Clinton had to inflict a killing blow last night. Not only did she fail to do so, she actually lost on all counts.

The next month is going to be brutal and she's going to head into March with no momentum and a financial disadvantage so severe she'll have to use her own money to compete.

Given her advantages, it's impossible to see this as anything other than a very big win for Obama.

@20, are you sure?

CNN very clearly has "vote" totals for the caucuses, ie they've factored in how many people actually showed up. They also have delegate totals in addition to number of people totals.

You could be right, and maybe there's a website that disputes CNN's counting. Can you show me?

@19 - no, she didn't.

Obama got more total votes than Clinton on Super Tuesday.

That's the Popular Vote.

And she lost it.

@22, can you show me where you're getting that from?

It's an irrelevent point Will, because the convention doesn't decide the nomination based on the popular vote count, and more than our Electoral College does.

It's the delegate count at convention that counts, and ONLY the delegate count; everything else is just window-dressing and spin.

@11 John Aravosis has a pretty good idea. If it comes down to needing the MI and FL delegates to decide the nomination, hold fresh caucuses in both states and use those results.

Nobody knows who "won" the popular vote, because there WASN'T A POPULAR VOTE in several of the states. Extrapolating from caucus attendance to popular vote is stupid, and can't be done.

Just look it up at Politico.