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"The crone?" What kind of sexist bullshit is that?

Posted by Babaloo | February 5, 2008 9:05 AM
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that person must be a young chauvanist to not like hillary!

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 5, 2008 9:12 AM
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You guys just need the tiniest excuse to hate on Hilary. "Oh there was a mean ladybug on my coffee mug who supported Hilary." It is the polyester jackets I guess. I understand, they would make me hateful too.

Posted by josh | February 5, 2008 9:14 AM
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I posted it... I'm not a chauvanist... but I know class-less when I see it. I'm not sexist in the least... but the pronoun seems to fit.... or the shoe, eh?

Posted by Homo Will | February 5, 2008 9:15 AM
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Babaloo @1, I actually had to look up the word "crone." That kind of nasty language doesn't exactly make that hotel employee's case, although it does speak to the strength of that hotel employee's vocabulary.

Assuming the account is accurate, it's strange how the campaign can take on the persona of the candidate. This reminds me...

David Brooks of The New York Times has a brilliant column today on where policy and personality intersect for Hillary--regarding health insurance mandates.

What's so funny though is the sentence with which Brooks begins his column:

I’m not a Hillary-hater.

It's like Brooks is bracing for the barrage that's sure to come from the Erica Barnett types who try to conflate any questioning of Hillary Clinton's character and judgment with hatred. Of Hillary. And really of women.

Posted by cressona | February 5, 2008 9:16 AM
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face it, people dont like hillary. what are you going to do about it? call the wahmbulance?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 5, 2008 9:17 AM
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The three ages of woman: Maiden, Matron, and Crone. Hillary falls into the third group because she is post-menopausal.

Posted by Womyn's Studies | February 5, 2008 9:20 AM
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What's your point, Dan?

This isn't even about HRC. It's about "Hillary supporters and campaigners." I particularly like how your "reporter" doesn't give any examples of why they want to "shoot them in the face" (yikes!), other than "pompous, and arrogant."

Posted by Big Sven | February 5, 2008 9:23 AM
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jerks is jerks esp when they are connected to stars/celebrities. I'm sure Obama and McCain have asshole campaign workers as well. I, too, have worked front desk at hotels and have had to deal with the rich and famous. Frequently, the "star" can be a relatively nice normal person, but it's the entourage who are pompous dick nuggets. And movie crews can be horrible. Jessica Biel may be a pain in the ass, but the third assistant director on a Jessica Biel film can be an even bigger pain, just on a lower budget.

Posted by michael strangeways | February 5, 2008 9:24 AM
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I was a Hillary supporter but this morning I have a pimple.

Posted by umvue | February 5, 2008 9:30 AM
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i must be missing something. what does this have to do with anything?

Posted by kim | February 5, 2008 9:31 AM
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I think the point, @8 and @11, is in the title of Dan's post. It's not that it's fair, it's that it's true.

Posted by tsm | February 5, 2008 9:33 AM
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When you're down 22 points in the state and your sole supporter on the Stranger Election Control Board is desperately posting Unabomber-style screeds to the Slog in your defense, it's time to pull your staff out of the state and put them where they might do some good instead. Hence the hotel check-outs, and the reason this post is newsworthy.

Posted by Trey | February 5, 2008 9:36 AM
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Best Line of the Day: "I was a Hillary supporter but this morning I have a pimple."

Posted by cracked | February 5, 2008 9:37 AM
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"Crone" isn't a pronoun. This is pathetic. "Pompous, and arrogant"?

Posted by Fnarf | February 5, 2008 9:47 AM
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The arrogant thing is something I remember from when President Clinton had ground troops in the area.

They never assume the locals know anything or have anything to contribute, sadly.

And they won't get better, even if we give them eight years to do it in.

They're "entitled".

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 5, 2008 9:52 AM
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oh, the all important ignorant angry night shift hotel clerk demographic. hillary is doomed if they're not on her side.

Posted by josh | February 5, 2008 9:55 AM
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I agree, the front desk clerk who wrote this is a SEXIST PIG!!!!

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | February 5, 2008 9:58 AM
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Has any of the news reporters tried to confirm the tipsters suggestion that the staff is leaving town? Perhaps they were just changing hotels? If they're leaving the state, that's truly newsworthy. More news, less rumor -- please.

Posted by Brendan | February 5, 2008 9:58 AM
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@8 ... eh, this says as much about the anti-clinton crowd as it does the pro-clinton crowd...

Posted by infrequent | February 5, 2008 10:00 AM
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This poster is a dumbshit..whatev

Posted by Mrs. Y | February 5, 2008 10:00 AM
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I'm not a fan of the two-party two-family dynasty that has taken control of US politics.

Hillary can GTFO.

Posted by seattle98104 | February 5, 2008 10:02 AM
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It is this mentality that got Bush elected because "he's a guy I'd want to have a beer with".

Do we really need to like the President on a personal level? It's the fucking President of the United States! It's probably one of the most stressful and difficult jobs on the planet. I will settle for qualified asshole.

Posted by Mahtli69 | February 5, 2008 10:02 AM
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Bellevue @2. Since they called her "the crone" (rather than lambasting her policies), I would have to agree with you. For once.

Posted by Julie | February 5, 2008 10:05 AM
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Calling Clinton a "crone" is deliberately sneering at her by using a term that refers to an old woman or an old witch. The term itself is not necessarily sexist or derogatory in the right context, but in this context it is clearly used as a slur.

Posted by Babaloo | February 5, 2008 10:18 AM
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Used as a slur BY A MORON. Net effect on the universe: zero. Please don't try to use this as evidence of anything; it demeans both you and me.

Posted by Fnarf | February 5, 2008 10:28 AM
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I like Obama because he's someone I'd want to smoke a joint and listen to Miles Davis with.

Posted by AMB | February 5, 2008 10:34 AM
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It's interesting how many people don't bat an eye at the gender-charged insults that have been slung around during this campaign. Whether it's calling Hillary a crone or saying that Obama "bared his vagina" at the Las Vegas debates (Source: Matt Taibbi for Rolling Stone), it's clear that a lot of Americans still have "woman=bad" lodged somewhere in their hindbrains.

If people started flinging equivalent race-based insults, the backlash would be much louder and any writer for a mainstream mag who dared to go there would lose their job.

Posted by Rhiannon | February 5, 2008 10:39 AM
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'A lot of Americans still have "woman=bad" lodged somwhere in their hindbrains'.

Virtually all of these people ARE WOMEN.

Posted by Fnarf | February 5, 2008 10:45 AM
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Rhiannon @28:

I read that article and it pissed me off too! Matt Taibbi is a dumbass.

Posted by Babaloo | February 5, 2008 10:45 AM
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@5:
You had to look up the definition of crone? Really?

Posted by Hal | February 5, 2008 10:46 AM
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@29, As usual Fnarf is the only person who is right.

It speaks to the article ECB posted last night, the line from Harriet Tubman that she could have freed thousands more had they realized they were slaves.

In any case, Fnarf is also right at 26, this slur is from a moron and is meaningless.

Posted by arduous | February 5, 2008 11:22 AM
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Have to agree with Fnarf @29 - a sad commentary but true.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 5, 2008 11:39 AM
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I'm sure all of Clinton's volunteers and campaign workers have been specially trained to treat people like shit. I'm glad the 'tipster' is voting for the candidate and the issues.... I'm guessing from his level of sophistication in the issues that his vote is going for Obama because The Stranger says so and no rude Obama people have been in his hotel.

Although, maybe Romney.... I'm pretty sure there's not a campaign worker in Seattle for Romney so the chance that one might be less than gracious is pretty slim.

Posted by pointing at obvious | February 5, 2008 11:54 AM
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Completely disagree with Fnarf at both 26 and 29.

@26 -- How many morons saying shit like that do there have to be for it to have a net effect upon the universe? From where I sit, there are an awful lot of morons. It's easy to dismiss one or two as idiots, but in larger numbers it begins to look like a trend.

@29 -- "Virtually all of these people are women." Yeah, right. I don't doubt that there are plenty of women who have internalized this, but I would strongly disagree that some men don't have this problem too.

Posted by Julie | February 5, 2008 12:17 PM
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@28 - Never listen to anything from Rolling Stone. That's your first problem.

On a slightly related note, maybe it's because I am apparently living under a rock on Mars (which I'm not, so I'm confused here), but I hear more people decrying sexist remarks and talking about how racist remarks would be lambasted than I hear actually making sexist remarks.

It's possible I just haven't stumbled upon them. I'm not saying they're not there. It just seems odd.

Posted by Me | February 5, 2008 12:41 PM
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On an unrelated to sexism note... the whole thing where the person comments that the staffers have to be reimbursed for their hotel rooms is retarded. I work for a big company and that's how 80% of my travel expenses work -- you have a corporate card, but you are responsible for paying the bill and submitting expense reports to get reimbursed.

Maybe this is not how political campaigns work, but in the rest of the world it's pretty much the norm.

Posted by Julie | February 5, 2008 12:53 PM
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Oh, sweet bleeding Christ. When, oh my brethren and sistren, will we learn to stop fucking eating our own? Could we PLEASE learn to point the spears in the right direction? Democrats, even Democrats with whom we disagree, are not the enemy here.

Stop doing the GOP's work for them.

Either Obama or Hillary would be light-years better than any member of the Xtian Taliban, the same fucking people who've left us in the quagmire of Mesopotamia, the nightmare of the Patriot Act and all its offshoots, the misery of the sub-prime mortgage crisis, and 8 long centuries - I mean years - of having to listen to a half-wit, silver-spoon, arrogant, coked-out fuckwit squat in our White House and alienate the entire rest of the planet.

Posted by Geni | February 5, 2008 2:32 PM

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