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Wednesday, February 6, 2008

Hillary Clinton in Seattle on Thursday

posted by on February 6 at 17:59 PM

Says Connelly:

Sen. Hillary Clinton will campaign in Seattle on Thursday night, in an 11th hour substitution for what had been a planned stopover by ex-President Bill Clinton.

The switch indicates the Clinton campaign is serious about contesting Washington’s Democratic caucuses on Saturday, Feb. 9th.

Sen. Clinton is tentatively scheduled to appear Thursday, from 8 p.m. to 9 p.m., at Pier 30 on the Seattle waterfront.

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Funny ... the actual candidate is a last minute sub for the Bill, and not the other way around.

Posted by Mahtli69 | February 6, 2008 6:03 PM

Come on Obama, you got to counter this with a public rally, Please

Posted by vooodooo84 | February 6, 2008 6:09 PM

I'm not a big HRC fan, but I wouldn't mind attending this just for kicks. But I've never been to the Pier 30 Event and it seems like an out-of-the-way spot. For those of us that bus it around, it looks like the nearest bus stop to Pier 30 is a half-mile away. Yay for Obama and the Key Arena!

Posted by stinkbug | February 6, 2008 6:57 PM

Hmm, our female governor who has promised to endorse a candidate ahead of Saturday's caucus still hasn't said a word. And, at the last minute, Hillary Clinton decides that something is important enough to bring her all the way to Seattle (where she knows she's going to lose) for a whole hour on a Thursday night.

Is anybody else connecting the dots here?

I'm no political expert, but I'll bet that Gregoire is going to endorse Clinton at Pier 30 on Thursday night.

Posted by Justin | February 6, 2008 7:21 PM

I'm "meh" about Chrissie's endorsement. Still, it would be fun just to see all the Obama fans trip over themselves to denounce her. Free entertainment.

Posted by Big Sven | February 6, 2008 7:24 PM

Pier 30 is an odd choice. No buses, parking is probably cruise ship only and costs $12. Weird industrial trainyard neighborhood, under the viaduct approach; I don't even think you can walk there except by walking way up E Marginal Way forever; that Metro stop listed is at 1st and Stacy, but good luck crossing the train yard on foot from there. You'll have to get off at Safeco (many, many bus options there), go under the viaduct at Atlantic St, and walk down Alaskan Way/E Marginal.


Posted by Fnarf | February 6, 2008 7:26 PM

Fnarf, you are fantastically knowledgeable about transportation and parking options. Thank you!

Posted by Bub | February 6, 2008 7:31 PM

It's not at Pier 30. It's Pier 32.

In advance of Saturday's caucuses, Hillary Clinton will be coming to our state to meet with voters and discuss her candidacy for president. If you would like to attend this very special event the information is:

"Solutions for America" rally
Thursday, February 7th, 2008
Pier 32
2431 East Marginal Way South
Seattle, Washington 98134
8:00 pm
Go to: to RSVP

Posted by brappy | February 6, 2008 7:44 PM

Actually, when you click on the link, it says pier 30. *shrug*

Posted by brappy | February 6, 2008 7:49 PM

@8 that RSVP mentions pier 30 (and 2431 East Marginal Way South is the address for pier 30). Maybe the page you took that from mistakenly had 32?

Also, her rally time interferes with Lost, which is a no-no in my world, although I guess many of you have stopped watching Lost.

Posted by stinkbug | February 6, 2008 7:49 PM

wtf pier 30?

well i guess they have an events center!

Posted by Cale | February 6, 2008 7:50 PM

Funny. There's no "pier." There is a terminal. It's an 18 million dollar monument to Paul Schell cronyism. The Port is tearing it down and replacing it with another container terminal. I saw dozers down there last week. It's a miserable spot with dirty air.

"The port is planning to open a new $62 million cruise facility at Terminal 91 by 2009, tearing down the $18 million Terminal 30 building built in 2003 to convert that space into use by container ships."

Posted by Curmudgeon | February 6, 2008 8:04 PM

Any news on whether ECB will be there? Or do we have to show up in "Obama = feminism" shirts and look for the person who screams "You have testicles! STFU! You are not allowed to think about feminism!"?

Posted by also | February 6, 2008 8:23 PM

Anybody else get the chirpy-voiced robo-call inviting them to the Hillarian event? I just did.

Posted by Andy Niable | February 6, 2008 8:38 PM

Howard Dean stumped for Kerry at Pier 30 in 2004. Given its isolation from everything except for Grandma's cruise ship, I'd say it's considered a safe place where none of the infamous Seattle riff-raff will show up en masse to heckle the candidate. And, of course, since it's at the Port, there will be a strong union presence in the audience, which is one of HRC's strengths.

Posted by Mahtli69 | February 6, 2008 10:47 PM

That's right, Mahtli69. We're afraid you'll call us names. Shhhh, don't tell your friends!

Posted by Big Sven | February 6, 2008 11:05 PM

What an unattractive chip you have on your shoulder, Sven.

Posted by Fnarf | February 7, 2008 2:50 AM

In the annals of history when one reads about the Democratic Race of 2008, they will not read about ideals and glory of the moment, but the back room deals and the fear that manipulated a party to abdicate all that it once stood for, and that is equality.

It is not equal that two legacy families run by an old man, Ted Kennedy, and the son of Richard Daley Sr chooses their pawn, a black junior senator from Illinois, in order to secure the White House, a White House that Kennedy has coveted since the 1960s. Ted Kennedy and Richard Daley have divided the democratic party in a manner that is more than despicable, but shameful to any man or woman of ideals and hope.

In the annals of history when one reads about the Democratic Race of 2008, one will read about the lack of equality by one race to many. Obama’s victories lie within the caucus framework, where congressmen/senators/political leaders are held captive by a plurality of African Americans who are at war with the freedom of the secret ballot. Without question, the only strength of the Obama/Kennedy Faction is the inner cities and political leadership who that machine supports. Historians will write how Sen. Obama used the speeches of great leaders (faith, hope, charity…Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Paul Douglas, Fulbright, etc) as his own, plagiarized those true and breathless words in order to perpetrate upon the public, and youth, that those words were original to his thoughts. Obama does not create his own speeches – he rewrites old speeches that historically reverberated around the world.

It is not equal that a candidate, due to race, claims victory in caucus states because of threats to Caucasian, Asian, Latino politicos. That is not integration: that is the creation of an oligarchy in the Democratic process, where the party is run by a few, not the many.
It is not equal that Obama and “his SS troops of African Americans” as one Caucasian legislator whispered in Idaho hold captive the majority and all other minorities by their cannon of votes. Historians will write how the Obama campaign used its black constituency to subtly and openly threaten democratic leadership of those of Caucasian, Asian, Middle Eastern descent – their black bullet, their refusal to support a sitting legislator or new candidate if they fail to vote Obama. Sen. Obama’s wife Michelle and Oprah Winfrey will be written as the worst offender of the deadly black bullet of coercion.

Historians will write how in the cold fields of Iowa and the river streets of St. Louis how thousands of Chicago precinct workers descended upon Iowa and Missouri and forced the nation’s first caucus/SuperTuesday primary to play by their rules, not the people’s rules. These advance troops did the unthinkable – they wrote down names of those who opposed Obama, and whispered that if they continued to oppose Obama, their careers as public servants was finished or limited. And historians will write how in the western part of the state, true patriots of equality refused to cavel to the black bullet and stated equivocally to the Chicago Machine, we are men and women of decent and moral fiber, and we will judge as to the issues, not as to false words, or veiled threats. The rest caved in to their fear of being unelectable.

Posted by WaldenPond | February 7, 2008 7:37 AM

It is not equal that this 2008 Democratic election will be written by historians as the ’08 Presidential Race engendered not by race, but by one race, African Americans manipulated by a dying legacy created by Ted Kennedy, a man whose thirst for power is well documented, and whose moral behavior is without question disreputable. Ted premise was not that of his brothers, Jack or Bobby. Ted’s solution to the impoverishment of heart and soul to the African American was to dress them, feed them, and provide them housing – all style and no substance. And thus in the inner cities, the African American languishes amidst poverty, resistant to education, carving a living from petty crime and drugs, sexually permissive, and when prosecuted, Ted Kennedy allowed the African American community to use “race” as a means to escape justice all paid by US taxdollars.

It will be written that under President Bill Clinton, who made tough choices, who provided the inner city with the resources to climb out of that hole - but put limits (3 years) on welfare, increased police within the inner city, prohibited the baby manufacturing by African American women – an industry that was manipulated by the African American male in order to produce higher returns on the welfare money – and provided education and the opportunity in order that a man or woman, irregardless of race, gender, etc would be enabled to leave a corrupt and immoral environment. At the same time, by doing the right thing, Clinton empowered the DEA to shut down and prosecute drug dealers in the cities, in the rurals, and in Central and South America. And it is that environment, the inner cities, who most strongly supports Sen. Obama and his promoters – Ted Kennedy and Richard Daley - and who most strongly resist the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton.

History will write about the manipulations of the ’08 elections, and how Sen. Ted Kennedy formed with Sen. Obama an agreement, and that come the Democratic Convention in ’08, Ted will be named the Vice Presidential candidate, and if not him, then Kerry, or Richard Daley. And in Massachusetts, the people voted loud and clear they did not want Ted Kennedy/Obama manipulations. Why? Because they know the Chicago Machine and the city patronage system. Who will control the White House? It won’t be anyone from Seattle, it will be filled with the Chicago patronage system.

Historians will write of the overt manipulations by the media to influence an election – CNN in favor of an independent candidate or Sen Obama, FOX in favor Romney, and of an assortment of BLOG authors that have no real understanding of history nor political consequence but full of soap box convictions and bully pulpit bragging rights.

History will write many things – not always favorable to Sen. Obama – but one thing is certain – historians will not write kindly of the election of 2008.

Posted by WaldenPond | February 7, 2008 7:39 AM

Fnarf- when you called for civility a couple of weeks ago, it was timely and I took it to heart. But what exactly is wrong with my comment @16?

Obama supporter says Clinton's afraid of Obama, Clinton supporter says "is not!" What am I doing wrong? Isn't this what we do on the SLOG?

Yes, clearly I have a big chip on my shoulder.

Posted by Big Sven | February 7, 2008 8:27 AM

@19: There will be many histories written--there always are--and we can hope that unlike has happened in the past, the official stories are not all authored by a bunch of rich, White-privileged heterosexist males threatened by anyone challenging conventional wisdom and status quo.

While it's a bit early to start predicting the tone of future history books--though I think it's safe to expect this one IS already one "for the history books."

Posted by Andy Niable | February 7, 2008 8:28 AM

I nominate WaldenPond for "Most Promising New SLOG Troll."

The volume and incompensibility of his posts, combined with the stealth lack of ALL CAPS and bold, combined with the "post the exact same screed in multiple threads", hint at the impact this fascinating newcomer could bring to field of SLOG trollery.

Posted by Big Sven | February 7, 2008 8:33 AM

@22 Seconded.

Posted by Mike of Renton | February 7, 2008 9:26 AM

Join Hillary for a "Solutions for America" rally in Seattle, Washington
Thursday, February 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM - 10:00 PM

Pier 30
2431 E Marginal Way South
Seattle, WA 98134
General Area:

Join Hillary Clinton for a "Solutions for America" rally in Seattle Thursday, February 7.

The confusing thing is the Email invite says 7pm and so does the first link on HRC's page. I think the media keeps saying 8pm so that's what I'm going with.

Posted by PickleDeeDee | February 7, 2008 9:33 AM


"SS troops of African Americans" is a tour de force of kookiness. And the many long, windy sentences that bizarrely combine Cicerian rhetoric and a lack of intelligible verbs suggest an autodidact of magnificently stupid proportions.

Big Sven, don't take this the wrong way, but you are still pointing your arguments at the supporters of your candidate's opponent, not your candidate's opponent.

Posted by Fnarf | February 7, 2008 10:01 AM

Seen her about four or five times, talked with her thrice, think I'll do the Obama event instead.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 7, 2008 10:09 AM

@20 - I am not an Obama supporter, Sven.

All I said (or what I intended to say) is that establishment candidates are afraid of disruptions at staged events, and they plan accordingly.

Why else would they continue to use Pier 30? It'll look good on TV, and the audience will be filled with enthusiastic supporters. Just like a Bush rally.

I will add one more benefit to Pier 30, and that is it's extremely close to Boeing Field, so the candidate can be in and out of Seattle in about 20 minutes.

Posted by Mahtli69 | February 7, 2008 10:23 AM

@26. Gee. Aren't you wonderful???

Posted by heywhatsit | February 7, 2008 10:37 AM

Good points, Mahtli69. When you go to these rallies, you're actors for the cameras more than anything.

Clinton needs what, 45% in WA to stay viable? She's expected to lose by 22 points.

Posted by Fnarf | February 7, 2008 11:08 AM

Woot! I'm totally going!

Posted by Mr. Poe | February 7, 2008 11:17 AM

Me too!

Posted by Amy Kate Horn | February 7, 2008 11:45 AM

Do we have to RSVP? There's an option to do that on her site, but if it's free and open, I'd rather not. Anyone know???

Posted by akp | February 7, 2008 12:14 PM

In some ways the SLOG was more when I didn't know anybody and could be a total douche all the time, rather than just sort of a douche some of the time. Different kind of fun, I guess.

I'm not going to the Hillary thing tonight because I work in Kent and live in Issaquah and I don't want to contribute to sprawl. And I'm still trying to come to terms with my home state's (MN's) rejection of my preferred candidate. I was really, really active in the DFL when I lived out there (on the state platform committee) and am staggered by both the turnout and the passion for Obama. It's cooled my ardor for Clinton, though I still would prefer that she be the candidate.

Clinton/Obama 2008. I guess.

Posted by Big Sven | February 7, 2008 12:23 PM

@10 -- I'm definitely going to Obama's Key Arena, but I'm not skipping lost to see HRC. No way.

Posted by gary7 | February 7, 2008 1:02 PM

Don't get too worked up, Sven. It's gonna be OK.

In MN, it was probably the "SS troops of African Americans", or possibly "the deadly black bullet of coercion" that swayed them. WaldenBlob @18 knows and sees all.

Posted by Fnarf | February 7, 2008 1:32 PM


I'm soooooo glad WaldenBlob joined the SLOG.

With Issur keeping a low profile, and Ecce occasionally making sense, the troll factor was getting dangerously low.

Posted by Big Sven | February 7, 2008 2:29 PM

I wouldn't mind going to both rallies to see how the candidate differ if any. But Thursday night even if it's in BFE is better than an Friday during the day. What's Obama trying to target the unemployed!?

Posted by smohawk | February 7, 2008 2:32 PM

smohawk, HRC's rally, because of it's location, will be made up of more affluent folk (like yourself I am assuming) while Obama's will be a very youth oriented rally because of the time. They both have an identity that they want to carry across the nation.

Posted by PTrig | February 7, 2008 2:44 PM

smohawk, HRC's rally, because of it's location, will be made up of more affluent folk (like yourself I am assuming) while Obama's will be a very youth oriented rally because of the time. They both have an identity that they want to carry across the nation.

Posted by PTrig | February 7, 2008 2:45 PM

will there be a web cast,,,,
I can't get down to seattle tonight in time...

and does anyone know her plans for Friday?


Hillary 08

Posted by kyle | February 7, 2008 2:48 PM

Hillary use to be a man. Not that it matters, but very few people know that. Her voice is a bit deep.

Posted by steve | February 7, 2008 3:23 PM

Or hobos. There may be a lot of hobos at the rally due to the proximity of the rr tracks. smohawk, are you a hobo? I shouldn't have assumed your affluence. Perhaps all your worldly goods are bound up in your bindle. I wonder who has the endorsement of the fraternal order of bindle stiffs.

Posted by PTrig | February 7, 2008 3:29 PM

Any parking tips?

Posted by superyeadon | February 7, 2008 6:39 PM

@40...HC will be at UPS on Fri, talking about health care, 10 am I believe, but I've forgotten the bldg.

PS, McCain @ the Westin on Fri, 6 pm, tee hee

Posted by HappyFace | February 8, 2008 12:06 AM

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