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Wow, pot meet kettle. The Clintons are the MASTERS of "managing expectations".

I respectfully disagree. These minor states holding their primaries and caucuses the rest of this month mean nothing. (Yes, that includes WA.) Hillary just needs to ride it out until the big ones (TX, OH, PA). She will wipe the floor with him.

@1, "pot meet kettle"

HA HA HA - I get it, because he's BLACK!

I want a president who tells the truth about wiretapping and torturing prisoners and whether we have grounds to start a war. I'm not too worked up over whether or not each candidate wants to be called the underdog.

I'm only glad none of them (other than Huck of course) are saying "Call me da undadawg!" That would be illiterate.

why did hillary give her campaign a loan?

and why did obama raise nearly 70% of the same amount from people in the past 2 days?

when she doesn't have the definitive lead in superdelegates and party operatives, i'll buy her saying she's the underdog.

"good point"? she's been the presumptive nominee for at least the last 2 years - and in 6 weeks she goes to being the underdog?

no wonder they call it 'spin' - my head is spinning from it.

this is the first semi-balanced thing you have written in...four months...?
@1 you hate Hillary because Obama is winning?? Haven't heard that line of argument yet.
Wait and see how fast Obama's numbers fall if he does go up against McCain. I think democrats are seriously underestimating the whole experience vs. no experience thing. McCain is going to attack him relentlessly and I am terrified of McCain winning.

Good thing Obama's coming here Friday, and it's a free event!

@7: McCain beats Clinton and/or Obama like a drum. Get accustomed to saying
"President McCain."

There's going to be a national and perhaps global recession going on, decent economists aren't sure how bad it will get or how long it will last because the conditions are unprecedented, and I sure wouldn't mind if it were a Republican taking shit for it.

Guess none of the Obama supporters want to figure out which one has received more votes. The normal way of deciding things in a democracy. And, an interesting yardstick.

Clinton said on TV today that she favors "correcting the injustice of DC not having representation" in Congress. Hmmm..being in favor of the right to vote.

I would expect Obama to have the same position, but have never heard him mention it, much less on TV.

@9: more likely "President Huckabee/Giuilani/Lieberman" depending on who his veep choice is -- have you seen the man lately? Remember that President that didn't live past his inauguration...?

@9 I fear you may be right too. I can't envision a scenario where Obama actually beats McCain. Stop for one moment and imagine a debate between these two. Obama has already shown he is an orator not a debater and McCain is ruthless. It's also hard to really dislike McCain (for the majority of Americans, even Democrats). while Democrats were busy ripping Hillary apart, the Republicans went and got (semi_ united. Liberals: you can start to panic now.

Damn! unPC must be stopped! Soon he will tell the world that Obamatroniacs are against all good things and in favor of only bad things. We must keep our bizzaro nature secret until it's too late.

I say release the flying monkeys. Release them now.

If that journo's pushing back, doesn't that make HIM the underdog? Or is this some scat thing I don't want to know about?

unPC, if Obama did, you'd shout pandering and racism. Clinton is simply trying to win votes in DC. You're not very bright. Why don't you write your candidate another check. It's sad that she is the frontrunner and had to lend money to her campaign. Her supporters are a bunch of ungrateful tools.

Go McCain!

@12: that's exactly what I'm thinking. When they first started talking about a backroom deal for the VP nomination for Huckabee, I sat bolt upright. Who could imagine that, after Bush, we could end up with the only conceivable President who's WORSE THAN BUSH?

unPC hillary has won 45k more votes. winning california and NY. im not impressed especially considering the electoral college

@16:
You're right I'm not very smart.
Yawn....I am easily bored by "responses" such as yours, however.

Someone says Obama got more votes with no data and I call them on it. Stupid of me, isn't it? Demanding facts and things? What a dummy I am. I ask for facts, I clarify, no one provides the facts...total silence on the facts....when I would hope that the level of discourse would be raised. Truly. Like it's an interesting yardstick and we should all know.

So, why didn't the Obamatons go do the homework and tell us?
Because it shows he didn't get as many as she did?
That's the normal presumption when someone makes a claim, is called on it, and then shuts the fuck up.

MSNBC just reported that Clinton got more votes on Super Tuesday. OK partial answer. We'd have to look at IA NH SC...maybe Obama got more counting those states?

As for as Obama and DC representation, your remarks are truly odd.

I assume he's for it and said so. Because he's a good guy, and a great leader, as I've said many times. And hey, no one is going to win the DC primary unless they're for it.

You will notice, sir, that I didn't accuse him of pandering. I complained, ever so mildly, that he WASN"T pandering enough! that I've never heard him mention this issue much less on TV.

As denying voting rights to about 350,000 voting age folks in DC is a rather fundamental injustice, I would hope he would speak out on this, to his national audience, including you.

"Clinton is simply trying to win votes in DC." Get a clue buddy. People try to win elections. They often do so by this clever manipulative technique: BEING FOR WHAT'S RIGHT.
And you want to give her shit for it?

Poltroon.

Bill supported DC statehood for years btw and the freaking presidential limousine proudly displayed the DC license plate: "No taxation without representation." Marion Barry noted this on TV today. And guess what -- there is no way in this world that Clinton is going to win DC. So she doesn't gain a damn thing by mentioning this on TV. She'd be lucky to get 20% in DC. Because of, you know, um, that thing that can't be mentioned by Clinton folks, only by Obama folks.

Fuck frontrunner. She's the establishment candidate, always has been (well at least for the last few decades), and will continue to be this cycle. That ought to be all the glare that is needed for her to fall to O.

@12 & @17 Huckabee as VP scares me too. But I feel better knowing that McCain's mom has been on the campaign trail with him and she turns 96 tomorrow.

unPC, you rambled most of your response for no reason. i was simply responding to your complaint about DC representation. you are the clueless one. i lived in DC, so i know they need representation. and, you're not PC, so say black, African American. this isn't a Clinton or Obama thing. I'm a McCain supporter, and he will win in November!

see you all at the caucuses! (if you all have the balls to leave your keyboards and actually put all this passion into action.)

You folks who think McCain would trounce Obama need to get off your computers and go talk to some Republicans and Independents. A war mongering almost dead man will be no match for Obama.

go eli @ 7

Wait and see how fast Obama's numbers fall if he does go up against McCain. I think democrats are seriously underestimating the whole experience vs. no experience thing. McCain is going to attack him relentlessly and I am terrified of McCain winning.

And if Hillary goes up against McCain her numbers will fall just as quickly if experience is the issue. Hillary Clinton has seven, count them, seven years of experience in elected office. The rest of her "35 years of experience" consisted of being first lady, serving on the WalMart board (a job she got because her husband was governor of Arkansas), working for the Rose law firm (a job she got in part because her husband was the attorney general and later governor of Arkansas) and working as a lawyer for some left-wing groups back in the 1970s.

So if Hillary starts talking about her experience John McCain is going to go to town on her, he's spent 25 years in elected office, he was in the Navy for 22 years before that. I can't wait for McCain to point out that Hillary's "35 years of experience" started in 1973, the same year he was freed from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

It's also going to be fun watching McCain go after Hillary on the war. Clinton voted for the same things that McCain did. Watching her try to tap dance and triangulate her way around that minefield is going to be loads of fun. Clinton is going to try to play up her hawkish side, as witness her support for Kyl-Lieberman, her comments (later retracted) about torture, her condemnation of Barack Obama's willingness to actually use diplomacy with nations such as Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, et al while also trying to keep the votes of people who want an end to the war in Iraq.

Clinton's explanation of why she voted for the war resolution and against the Levin amendment comes across as weak and insincere. Her attempts to distance herself from those votes is even more pathetic and I have yet to hear any of the hard core Clintonistas offer an explanation of what was behind her votes and her statements that isn't just a defense for political expediency. I mean really, you'd think that someone who had 30 years of experience at the time would have been able to figure out that George W. Bush was an idiot puppet for Dick Cheney and his neo-con buddies and that the whole WMD thing was a transparent pack of lies.

@ 11

"Guess none of the Obama supporters want to figure out which one has received more votes. The normal way of deciding things in a democracy."

Yeah but not in this ass-backwards illogical democracy.

You could actually debate this 'frontrunner' status (as of today or yesterday) if there was no such thing as early voting...

are you fucking kidding me? you HONESTLY believe the majority of Americans are going to vote for some inexperienced, hope spewing kid from Illinois over John-fucking-McCain? The same Americans that elected Bush to a second term after four terrible years?
McCain will make Obama look like he's twelve years old during the debates and any polls taken right now are NOT indicators of how shit is going to go down. Kerry was 14 points ahead of Bush list time four years ago. So tell me again, you ignorant fucks, how you are soooo sure Obama is going to beat McCain? All I've heard so far is "He's not Hillary!" Ummm, okay, she wasn't even a part of this conversation. Or better yet "He's old!" Are you kidding me? The youth vote will evaporate, as it always does, and we will be stuck with Obama. Stop the Hillary hating for five minutes and get your head out of your ass. We need to seriously unite the Democratic party or November is going to be a killing field.

@25,

I've heard the argument that the Senators were lied to as an explanation for Hillary's vote. Patently false nonsense. You can't tell me that a U.S. Senator didn't have more access to sensitive intelligence than Joe Q. Public. Add to that that any idiot could have figured out: UN oversaw the destruction of 90-95 percent of Iraq's weapons; Desert Storm probably accounted for the destruction of the other 5-10 percent; Nerve agents and biological weapons don't have a long shelf life; Iraq has been embargoed and undergone heavy scrutiny for twelve years. Hmm, perhaps Bush is lying.

Yes, the American people were too stupid and ill-informed to figure this stuff out. A U.S. Senator should know better and many (apparently not Hillary) did.

@28,

Why not? Bush didn't have any experience, not compared to Gore. Gore: Congressman, Senator, Vice-President. Bush: Failed businessman (who got all his jobs from family connections), rubber stamp Governor.

Do you think the Democratic party isn't going to be united under Obama? Why not?

I'm not convinced that Obama will win, just as I'm not convinced that Hillary will win.

Obama doesn't have much experience, but as another commenter pointed out, compared to McCain, neither does Hillary. If she tries to use her experience as First Lady in the general, McCain will wipe the floor with her. At least Obama isn't going to claim such absurd examples of "experience" to make his case.

In terms of sliming, it all depends on whether Obama can handle it. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. However, I'm not certain that Hillary is immune to sliming. Hillary has never run on her own on a national level. More mud might stick to her by virtue of being a woman. There are already suggestions of new Clinton scandals that could be used against her. And on that note, the Clintons really couldn't keep their hands completely clean for a mere eight years? What the fuck is wrong with them? They know what the stakes are and they know that the Republicans will use anything against them.

I (sort of) hate to point this out, but we live in a looks-obsessed, image-obsessed, age-obsessed culture.

McCain: old, ugly, short, has a nasally, whiny voice and a history of embarrassing himself in public. Did you see that speed from his first presidential bid where he compared himself to Luke Skywalker? Like I said, embarrassing.

Obama: young, handsome, tall, well spoken.

Who knows? Maybe the American public will surprise me and not vote according to their ageism and lookism.

"How is he NOT the frontrunner??"

Um, in the delegate count? That seems like a pretty stupid question to me. Clinton imagining that somehow she's something other than an "establishment" candidate is a farce.