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CNN reports that Huckabee is pulling out.

Wonder what the Clinton staff meeting tomorrow morning will be like. And yeah, I feel bad for her too. Still glad she's not winning, however.

Posted by gnossos | February 19, 2008 9:29 PM
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Feeling sorry is fine, as long as there isn't the same type of "feeling sorry" and "overconfidence" mixture that led to New Hampshire. Let's hope that people can feel sorry for her and still vote for Obama.

Posted by Ed | February 19, 2008 9:36 PM
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Why feel bad for her?? Because she's a woman who is she's losing? Or because she's blown an ungodly amount of money and it won't buy her the nomination? She made poor decisions in the campaign and while in the Senate. The vote is reflecting that.

Posted by Lloyd Cooney | February 19, 2008 9:37 PM
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me fix-it: Why feel bad for her?? Because she's a woman who is losing?

Posted by Typo corrector | February 19, 2008 9:39 PM
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Both Clintons are fascinating people, hard to understand but still mostly on the right side of things.

I do feel sorry for her. She looks lonely out there in her pants suit, clapping and smiling. Still, I don't want her as the candidate.

Posted by Andy James | February 19, 2008 9:40 PM
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@1: CNN reports that Huckabee is pulling out.

I can't find anything about this. The closet thing I can find is a headline that says:

• McCain hoping victories will convince rival Mike Huckabee to drop bid developing story

I don't think Huckabee is going anywhere yet.

Also, our state's primary really must not count since Obama won that too.

Posted by ghostlawns | February 19, 2008 9:41 PM
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Why feel bad? I don't really understand that.

Posted by Jamey | February 19, 2008 9:55 PM
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@6...someone must've jumped the gun...it was on their front page at 12:28 eastern...now gone.

Posted by gnossos | February 19, 2008 9:58 PM
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i wonder what kind of meltdown she is having. i wonder what kind of meltdown all the partisan feminists are having with the "she is being robbed of her turn!" thoughts

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 19, 2008 10:00 PM
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i don't feel bad for her; she brought out the brass knuckles the last few weeks. she gave it a good shot but it didn't pan out. she should be proud of what she accomplished. if you want to feel bad for someone, feel bad for kucinich or something. he's never been taken seriously.

Posted by some dude | February 19, 2008 10:01 PM
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Sorry, but I can't feel bad for filthy rich white women.

Absolute worst case scenario: Hillary still will never have to worry about where the next meal's coming from, where she's going to sleep tonight or how she's going to pay for retirement. So she's not gonna be president. Boo hoo: neither are the rest of us.

She'll be fine.

Posted by Gomez | February 19, 2008 10:01 PM
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@9 - What's wrong with being a feminist Bellevue?

Posted by woman | February 19, 2008 10:02 PM
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I feel bad for Hillary. I am sorry she didn't divorce Bill when he decided to play hide the cigar with his intern.

I also feel bad for John McCain. Tiger cages are a rough place to live.

That doesn't mean I will vote for either of them.

Sorry Hills, bros before hoes.

Posted by I'm a Nuclear Bomb | February 19, 2008 10:02 PM
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@13 you are a moron... oh, and btw, CHICKS BEFORE DICKS.

Posted by nuclear bomb is an idiot | February 19, 2008 10:04 PM
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Hey, I'm just about 100% for Obama, but I don't get off on imagining Hillary having a meltdown because she loses. And if things keep going as they have, I hope that other Obama supporters can (on this forum at least) be gracious and recognize that many are going to be disappointed and, correspondingly, try not to rub salt into others' wounds.

Posted by Andy James | February 19, 2008 10:06 PM
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I can't help but feel bad for her, too. Hillary is a good politician and she has worked hard for this. She's getting her ass handed to her on a platter, it can't be easy.

But, she is not the Dem that can beat McCain. Barack Obama is. His swelling tide of support indicates a true involvement by and for the people this Presidential race.

A bloodbath is never nice to witness, and that's what the Clinton campaign has on their hands.

Posted by kerri harrop | February 19, 2008 10:07 PM
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nothign wrong with feminists, only something wrong with partisans.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 19, 2008 10:08 PM
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i hope every hillary supporter votes obama in november. i just want to know what is going on in her mind as she is losing her shot at being president.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 19, 2008 10:10 PM
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But as her campaign said tonight, Obama's negatives have nowhere to go but up.

Posted by raindrop | February 19, 2008 10:13 PM
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and?

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 19, 2008 10:21 PM
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@18 you say "i hope every hillary supporter votes obama in november."

Won't happen, there's always some fall off.

There are exit polls on this look it up the % of Hillary voters who say they won't vote for Obama is the same as the % of Obama voters who say they won't vote for Hillary.

Posted by unPC | February 19, 2008 10:23 PM
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the way to minimize fall off is make the loser VP, but not a few Obama supporters said they hate that idea, so look for that inevitable fall off I guess.

Posted by unPC | February 19, 2008 10:29 PM
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I just hope that by the off chance that Obama ends up with less superdelegates than Clinton, they don't decide to be Super Dicks™ and throw the nomination to her contrary to the obvious public desire.

Posted by The CHZA | February 19, 2008 10:30 PM
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I feel super sorry for Hils and Bill and all their millions.

Posted by AMB | February 19, 2008 10:32 PM
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@Bellevue

So, if nothing is wrong with feminists why did you say "i wonder what kind of meltdown all the partisan feminists are having" ???

And, I agree with you that nothing is wrong with feminists - both women AND men should support gender equality. Thank you v. much.

Posted by woman | February 19, 2008 10:33 PM
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Yes, I'm an Obamamerican, but right now I'm just looking forward to when (hopefully not if) we can get past the Dems-bashing-Dems portion of this election so we can focus on the real threats to the future (debt, war, Supreme Court vacancies that will rule on law for decades) and I can vote for the Democrat resisting the slide toward empire and disaster. I feel bad that the process is mean and bad (to all the candidates), but I also know that it battle-tests them for the Real War in the Fall against (presumably) Grampa Munster McCain.

Posted by Andy Niable | February 19, 2008 10:34 PM
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Hillary Clinton is not getting her ass handed to her on a platter. This is a close race, so close that it likely won't be decided before the convention. A lot can happen. She may not win, but this is as close a primary as there has been in living memory. She has a lot of positives and a lot of negatives--a lot of history, period. It is a tough break for her and her supporters that she is likely not going to be the nominee. I can't say I feel sorry for her, but it always sucks to lose a close race. I do empathize with her, and I truly empathize with the huge number of her supporters who have stuck with her through the years. I hope that Obama (along with his supporters) is able to reach out to the Hillary fans and let them know that they will have a voice in the general election, too.

Posted by kk | February 19, 2008 10:34 PM
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@21

True enough, but if you are crunching numbers look at the large amount of 18-30 year old voters who WILL come out for Obama, and will stay home and not vote (not mutually exclusive here in WA)for a Clinton/McCain race in November. A large number of young voters will feel empowered by "the old system" producing a refreshing candidate. I know this from working with and talking to peole in the 17-25 demographic.

And, if Obama gets the nomination I expect Hillary Clinton to urge her supporters to vote Democrat. That might dissuade your numbers a bit between now and then. While I hope all progressives get on the same page no matter what (no Nader, no indie Ron Paul, no Perot, no John Anderson), a loss of votes to McCain of Clinton supporters will be offset and overridden by new voters looking for a candidate that identifies more with their generation. That candidate is Obama.

Posted by Gabriel | February 19, 2008 10:36 PM
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Agreed, kk, this Obama supporter believes in Obama's message about reaching across, and hopes Hillary's much lauded experience can be put to use in an Obama administration to help the country. And I would hope, should things go the other way, the Clintons would reach out and include Obama in their administration. But is that likely? Does it work both ways?

Posted by Andy Niable | February 19, 2008 10:37 PM
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you know who i feel bad for?

dead iraqi babies.

hillary? not so much.

Posted by bing | February 19, 2008 10:37 PM
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i actually said partisan feminists so another cunt like you would pick a fight with me. *rimshot*

partisan feminists, those that vote with their vaginal unity above all else, must be losing their minds as they see the only hope in the history of a woman in the whitehouse lose. to feel so close and to have the titanic of campaigns sinking has to be disheartening.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 19, 2008 10:39 PM
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It's still American Idol out there, folks. Don't you just wish you could vote on your little Blackberrys now and be Done With It? I know you do.

Between now and November you're gonna have to do more than just post your 'feelings' on a blog - you're gonna have to work your ass off for Mister O - at every level.

Don't think the 'Rovers' aren't already deviating in their campaign bunkers to thwart the ascendancy of Barack.

Good luck, Hillary - too bad people couldn't see the forest for the pantsuits...

Posted by RHETT ORACLE | February 19, 2008 10:39 PM
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I feel bad for her to some extent, but not really any worse than I feel for John Edwards.

Hillary Clinton is not dead, and neither is her career. I hope she serves two more terms in the Senate, enacting progressive legislation hand in hand with the Obama administration; or, dare I say it -- heads will detonate across talk radio land -- for thirty years on the US Supreme Court.

The Presidency isn't the only valuable job in Washington, and there's not a drop of shame in finishing second. She's a great public servant.

Posted by Fnarf | February 19, 2008 10:42 PM
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At this point Clinton should really withdraw from the race. Her only chance of winning now is to drag the campaign down into the muck in the hopes of somehow pulling out the nomination on a technicality. I'm not holding my breath, though. Buckle up, it's about to get nasty.

Posted by Mr Me | February 19, 2008 10:43 PM
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Exactly Fnarf, and she might actually get more of want she wants done (health care reform) by being in the Senate than in the White House. Especially if Obama gets to provide the bully pulpit selling her reforms to the public.

And she would make a stellar supreme.

Posted by gnossos | February 19, 2008 10:49 PM
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Feeling sorry for Hillary?

I'll put a hold on that feeling for about 48 hours to see how she behaves coming out of this loss tonight.

The writing is on the wall that it's over, and if she behaves graciously, I'll be inclined to indeed feel sorry for her.

More likely, I'm expecting a double dose of venom. A last-ditch death wish. In which case, I'll be wishing for somebody to douse the Wicked Witch with a bucket of water.

Somebody get the popcorn.

Posted by oneway | February 19, 2008 10:50 PM
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@16 said it best.

But ... until Ohio and Texas, I wouldn't make any bets.

Posted by Will in Seattle | February 19, 2008 10:57 PM
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"i actually said partisan feminists so another cunt like you would pick a fight with me. *rimshot*" Ah, keeping it classy on bellevue ave.

At this point, the nom is Obama's to lose. It only takes one big slip up for a candidate's support to evaporate. We'll see how that goes. For my part, I hope they both stay in it until the penultimate election, just in case.

Posted by johnnie | February 19, 2008 11:00 PM
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Why feel bad for her?? Because she's a woman who is she's losing?

I can feel bad for Hillary because she has, in fact, faced some unfair attacks due to her gender and name.

Of course, I don't consider this, by itself, a reason to hand the nomination to her - she could just easily lose the nom on her own demerits as well - but there it is.

Posted by tsm | February 19, 2008 11:02 PM
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I agree with the above comments that Hillary Clinton will be useful to America without the nomination...supreme court would kick ass! She'll come out of this more powerful and influential as a Senator as well. I do think an Obama admin. would welcome her ideas and help push some of them through. Not so sure on a Clinton admin. doing the same for Obama.

HOWEVER, I cannot feel sorry for anyone who:

1. Wields much more power than me.

2. Has much more money than me.

3. Runs for the Presidency.

1 and 2 are self explained, 3 because you gotta have 1 and 2 to do it.

Posted by Drunk Gabriel (read thru the typos) | February 19, 2008 11:05 PM
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I don't feel sorry for Senator Clinton. She has run a very tough campaign, and simply got overwhelmed by the amazing and historically unique support for Obama. In any other election, against dipshits like Gore and Kerry and Edwards and Bradley, she would have handed them their asses.

In the process she got Democrats excited about the race- she had great turnout, too, remember, just not as great as Obama's- and toughened him up for the gigantic tidal wave of shit that will be coming his way from the Republicans.

Yes, it's not over yet, and the Clintons are not known for giving up until *every* possibility is explored, but unless we see an extraordinary change of mood in the next few weeks this campaign will have been nothin' but good for Democrats and our chances in the fall.

The only people I feel sorry for are the partisans who got so bent around the axle amplifying differences between the candidates, they wound up saying wicked, despicable things about honorable Democrats and fellow SLOGers. And because I'm feeling charitable, and because I think it's so important that we unite behind our candidate this fall, I won't say any more about it than that.

Posted by Big Sven | February 19, 2008 11:06 PM
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Careful whatcha say, candidates, as it CAN come back to haunt you (or your wife)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbHiw2jlwa4&eurl=http://andypendence.blogspot.com/

Posted by Andy Niable | February 19, 2008 11:08 PM
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johnnie, you know when someone comes at you with "whats wrong with the group i associate with?" they are itching for a confrontation

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 19, 2008 11:09 PM
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I applaud Hillary's strength and tenacity to move forward. If Obama were in the position that Hillary is now, I doubt people be suggesting that he drop out of the race. She believes that she could do a great job as president and I do, too. I think Obama would be okay, too, but IMO she'd ultimately be more effective.

I'm anxious to see what the debate on Thursday will be like. I hope she's not too defensive and I hope he's not too arrogant about his position.

I have a feeling that something gonna go down for Obama soon...his triumphs been too clean; the media is going to start clenching down on him (as will the "moderate" voters as a result). Plus, his relative inexperience in the race could cost him at some point. I don't want it to happen when he's the nominee since he's "fresh meat" and we could have another asswipe Republican (no offense) if he's attacked. The media has had their day with Hillary and McCain, but he's a figure that I'm certain they would love to denounce (controversy = $$$; just look at Hillary).

I'm intrigued...but will vote Democrat regardless come November.

Posted by sugamama | February 19, 2008 11:12 PM
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Hillary has worked hard on her campaign, and while I personally prefer Obama and have been increasingly horrified by the Clinton camp's antics, she's still a person who thought her dream was within reach and is now seeing it recede.

It doesn't mean that you have to feel more for her than for victims of the war, or that the rest of her life will be uncomfortable with her millions. But if you aren't capable of empathy for her, it doesn't matter what excuse you want to use, you have let politics get in the way of your humanity.

Posted by also | February 19, 2008 11:16 PM
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For curiosities sake, any word out of Hawai'i yet? Polls closed 10:00 our time I think, seeing nothing on CNN yet.

Posted by Gabriel (still loaded) | February 19, 2008 11:20 PM
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Big Sven --

Here's wishing the Clinton campaign is half as gracious as you are.

Sadly, I don't think it's misplaced fear that Clinton (or, more accurately, strong elements in the Clinton camp) will make one last kamikaze mission on Obama.

The headline I'd like to read tomorrow afternoon is that Clinton delivers to her staff a table-pounding edict about keeping the negative campaigning in check.

Alas, she's been making a bald-faced lie just today asserting that her campaign hadn't been pushing the plagiarism story.

Posted by oneway | February 19, 2008 11:25 PM
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People keep talking about her going back to the Senate where she can continue her great work as a progressive Senator (someone else mentioned Kennedy as a model). Kennedy has sponsored a huge amount of good legislation in his time, what exactly has Clinton done?

Because I think she'll go back to the Senate, but primarily to continue the Clinton process of triangulation, carefully picking and choosing some not-too-unpopular liberal causes but then making sure to compensate by consponsoring a law to make it illegal to burn the flag or maybe railing about sex in video games. Not impressed.

Posted by mrobvious | February 19, 2008 11:26 PM
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@45: well said. You, too, Big Sven.

Posted by kerri harrop | February 19, 2008 11:35 PM
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@ 48

I'm a 38 year old white guy who is loaded, and Hillary and I agree on a lot of things. It just so happens that Barack Obama and I agree on more things. For me, that's it. Simple enough, eh? I do not have to dislike Hillary, nor do I have to think she cannot be an effective voice for the democratic process. I can support Obama without hating Hillary, and I do.

Posted by Gabriel(1 PBR later) | February 19, 2008 11:37 PM
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CNN just posted first HI results...77% for Obama.

Posted by gnossos | February 19, 2008 11:43 PM
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Just to clarify, loaded in post 50 refers to my state of sobriety rather than my monetary well being.

Wanted everyone to know I'm broke and drunk, not rich and snarky:)

Posted by Gabriel | February 19, 2008 11:43 PM
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To UnPC at 21-22,

Check the Wisconsin exit polls on page 4.

You'll notice that what you claim ("the % of Hillary voters who say they won't vote for Obama is the same as the % of Obama voters who say they won't vote for Hillary") doesn't appear to be true here. It's up to you to speculate on whether WI is representative of the rest of the country. :)

You have to read them properly-- the number in parentheses is the number of voters who chose this option, before the breakdown by candidate.

82% of all Wisconsin's voters will be satisfied if Obama is the nominee. Only 68% of the primary voters will be satisfied with Clinton.

Posted by V | February 19, 2008 11:48 PM
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Seeing 77% Obama to 23% Clinton in HI with 8% in now...just to verify gnossos.

Posted by Gabriel | February 19, 2008 11:54 PM
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@28 anecdotal experience about future youth turnout does not rebut evidence of several exit polls from various states says that the % of Clinton voters who say they won't vote for Obama is the same as the % of Obama voters who won't vote for Clinton.

There is a solution to uniting a party split about 53-47 and it fits in nicely with the whole unity theme, too, but once again, Obama supporters don't sem too interested.

Oh well, guess we'll just take our chances on that fall off risk. Obama's a whole 4 points ahead of McCain in those head to head polls. Plenty of cushion there.

Change, unity, hope, rah rah rah, kick 48% of your party in the ass, rah rah rah, change unity hope, rah rah rah.

Posted by unPC | February 20, 2008 12:03 AM
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unPC, you're such a tragic defeatist.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 12:07 AM
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unPC...if you're suggesting an Obama/Clinton team, I think you're nuts...for many more reasons than I can enumerate here.

But let just try three:

Clinton probably wouldn't accept.

Two senators on a ticket is lousy political strategy.

She doesn't bring any area of the country to the table that the top of the ticket doesn't win on his own. Obama needs to have a running mate that can pull in areas where he might not do that well. Like a a westerner. Or southerner. Or, best bet, a southwestern governor.

Posted by gnossos | February 20, 2008 12:10 AM
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unPC, you know there isn't a chance in hell that Clinton would take the VP spot if Obama wins, so how can you ding Obama for taking the same position?

Posted by thefacts | February 20, 2008 12:13 AM
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Looks like Hawaii is a bloodbath for Hils. Another state that doesn't matter, I'm sure. :P

Posted by AMB | February 20, 2008 12:16 AM
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@55

....RAH RAH RAH, fuck you. I actively have registered voters, some 17 now, 18 at election time, have you? I actively promote youth in my town (Bremerton) taking responsibility for their own actions and futures, do you? I actively give young people a place to express themselves, do you? I actively run an art gallery open to everyone who walks in the door, do you? I don't call that "anecdotal," do you? I'd call it actual experience.

How many people are you personally responsibile for bringing to the caucuses? 1? 2? Lets just say that young people want to be engaged in the process. And I help get them there...how's that for "anecdotal?"

Posted by Gabriel with a Horn | February 20, 2008 12:17 AM
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No surprise on Hawaii, but look at the polling in Texas, Obama has gone from being significantly behind to almost catching up. Penn is still solidly for Clinton but Ohio is also showing some movement toward Obama.

http://www.pollster.com/08-TX-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Posted by mrobvious | February 20, 2008 12:20 AM
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gabriel, let the despondent, bitter unPC stew in his own juices.

obama/clark 08!

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 12:22 AM
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@61: motherfucking nightmare

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 12:24 AM
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@61, also texas is kind of a crapshoot for clinton;

the way delegates are awarded in numerical amount by congressional district is based on previous voting year (2006) turnout. in texas blacks came out in droves in 2006 and districts that are predominantly black are receiving more delegates in 2008. this favors obama by not only awarding more for blacks but by also depriving latinos for hillary.

i'm calling texas for obama.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 12:27 AM
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Well with 26% of HI in Obama's lead has slipped to 74%.

I think we can safely say that makes it 10.

No big surprise that he wins, but just a huge margin again. That combined with a very hefty margin in WI is pretty impressive.

I will be surprised if he doesn't take Texas (barely) and fight to a draw in Ohio.

Posted by gnossos | February 20, 2008 12:37 AM
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Hawaii reported their second round of results a few minutes ago. With 26% of the precincts reporting, Obama has 5,436 votes (74.6%) to Clinton's 1,875 (25.4%). It's another blowout for Barry. Check for updates at the Hawaii Dem's site: http://www.hawaiidemocrats.org/.

Posted by Smartypants | February 20, 2008 12:39 AM
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Based on the initial results in Wisconsin and Hawaii, it looks like Obama has a net gain of at least 21 delegates over Clinton for the day. Depending on how the Congressional districts break down in Wisconsin, he could net up to another 8 delegates. Slowly but surely he's solidifying his lead over Clinton.

Posted by Smartypants | February 20, 2008 12:46 AM
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needless to say at this point, but CNN projects Obama in Hawaii.

Posted by gnossos | February 20, 2008 12:49 AM
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Anyone seen a county map on Hawai'i yet? Wondering if the more urban areas have checked in yet. Either way, looks like another Obamathon tonight.

Posted by Gabriel | February 20, 2008 12:53 AM
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from the AP:

"Barack Obama cruised past a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Wisconsin primary and Hawaii caucuses Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in a Democratic presidential race for the ages.

The twin triumphs made 10 straight for Obama, and left the former first lady in desperate need of a comeback in a race she long commanded as front-runner."

Posted by gnossos | February 20, 2008 12:55 AM
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I can't feel sorry for her. She's cast aside all pretense of integrity in her quest for power. If she had run an honorable campaign, a positive one, one that recognized that the enemy is the GOP, not her fellow Democrats, I might feel sorry for her. As it is, she's just reaping what she's sown.

Posted by Gitai | February 20, 2008 12:59 AM
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New numbers: 51% reporting, 76% Obama, 23% Clinton

Posted by Gabriel | February 20, 2008 1:00 AM
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I think he's going to pick Tim Kaine - is that his name? - the gov of VA.

Posted by Phoebe | February 20, 2008 1:04 AM
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How about Nancy Pelosi?

Obama/Pelosi 08...


hehe

Posted by JME | February 20, 2008 1:21 AM
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i'm not a big fan of hillary by any stretch but i remember a interview she did at the lillehammer olympics when she told a story of herself bout when she was little and she thought she was winning a race cos she couldn't see any of the other contestants, she was last... i still remember that interview. i still have a little bit of a warm spot for her cos of that.

Posted by Jiberish | February 20, 2008 1:25 AM
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75% Obama, 24% Clinton with 71% in Hawai'i now, we can easily call this at 3-1.

Texas even in polls, looks like time for something a little different.

Posted by Gabriel | February 20, 2008 1:26 AM
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I don't feel bad for Hillary because I feel, personally, like it would be condescending. "You can't have my vote but, hey, some pity might tide you over for a little while."

What I will give her is a round of applause for what has been an incredible fight thus far, tactics notwithstanding.

Posted by Zelbinian | February 20, 2008 4:00 AM
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Mc Cain will pick a woman to fuck with Macho Rock Star OBAMA .... stay tuned all you youth cult people .... the youth never vote, and send little money

Mc Cain is cherry picking the political best for his campaign

He is annointed, while we fight

the working class may go to Mc Cain , war hero, experience, maverick, clear in his opinions, nice Gramps who likes bombs.

I am a staunch Dem .... who is getting tired of the sermons

Others will fall off fast .... Obama needs more than the same stump speech

And remember the R's are corrupt ..... look for rigged voting in MANY states ... sly computer stuff

Maybe the Russians and Chinese, Brits, Canadians will help OBAMA ....

One drink too many

Castro is my hero of the moment, viva Che. Viva Fidel.

Posted by Adam | February 20, 2008 4:01 AM
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If Mc Cain wins, - will seek refuge in Cuba - cheap housing, hot men - Excellent medical care, free

And free college.

Posted by Barnes | February 20, 2008 4:05 AM
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@ 78:
If you honestly think, what 45%? 50%? of Americans are under some cult-like spell . . . that is some incredible hubris.

And it if is true, don't blame the Kool-Aid; it's in the water and you're all fucked. ;)

Speaking of getting fucked . . . this is news from Texas . . . and they're holding Obama signs.

Posted by Zelbinian | February 20, 2008 4:13 AM
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Posted by Gabriel | February 20, 2008 4:44 AM
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Feel bad? Hah! It's a pleasure to watch her and Bill go down.

Posted by MGD | February 20, 2008 4:45 AM
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Posted by Gabriel | February 20, 2008 5:02 AM
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Posted by Scooby Scooby Doobie | February 20, 2008 5:04 AM
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Hillary Clinton would make an EXCELLENT supreme court justice. Freed of the need to constantly fundraise and kiss ass, she might finally become the liberal hippy girl she once was, and fight the good fight.

Plus, it would make the right wing's heads explode. That alone would be worth it.

Posted by catalina vel-duray | February 20, 2008 6:25 AM
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Don't you understand?

If Hillary doesn't get the Presidency, she's gonna have to go back to work on the Night Shift! :(

Posted by NapoleonXIV | February 20, 2008 6:27 AM
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Does anyone know why there are helicopters flying over east cap hill at 6 in the morning?

Posted by lisa Put... | February 20, 2008 6:32 AM
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East Capitol Hill?

That one's not my fault.

Posted by NapoleonXIV | February 20, 2008 6:49 AM
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I don't feel bad. She has run a good campaign and (barred any 11th hour tricks) not an incredibly negative one, at least by Clinton standards. Most of the turn-offs I had were Bill in South Carolina, not Hillary.

I think Clinton is better suited for the Senate, anyway. There is indeed a Head of State, inspirational, and character quality she lacks. An Unfavorable rating of 49% is not a good way to enter the White House, you have to earn it like Bush!

I look forward to seeing Clinton as the powerhorse Senator of the Democrats for a long time to come. The new Edward Kennedy, if you will.

Posted by JasonC | February 20, 2008 7:04 AM
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All of you Obamafanatics are scaring me. Get this: there IS no savior for us. Hell, even Jesus got crucified.

Of course I want the Dems to win, but he is going to slimed once the general election starts. I hope to god he can withstand it. If ya'll don't think this country is a racist one, you're living in a Starbucks-inspired caffeine dream. He's got to stop being so vague.

And all of the hipsters who love him better get off their asses and actually VOTE. They don't have a good track record in that regard.

Ooh, Lola, you're so negative!

I call it realistic.

Posted by Lola | February 20, 2008 7:28 AM
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She's playing right into Obama's hands by defining him as the enemy and going on the attack. All he has to do is point at her and ask the country: "You want eight more years of this kind of behavior?"

Posted by Mark | February 20, 2008 7:32 AM
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Actually, @90, I think you're right too.

Posted by Lola | February 20, 2008 7:42 AM
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The only reason she's losing is because Obama plagiarized.

I like fireworks.

Posted by Mr. Poe | February 20, 2008 7:56 AM
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@31 - Hey Bellevue, Cunt is one of the highest compliments you can pay somebody. And partisan is a ridiculous term, usually applied by Republicans referring to those left of them who challenge their agenda. In that sense, it's kind of like Fox's use of "fair and balanced."

And.....

Feminist doesn't necessarily = Clinton supporter. I am for Obama 100% and a diehard feminist. However, I do not feel sorry for Clinton. It's insulting that anyone would even pose that question.

Posted by feminista | February 20, 2008 7:56 AM
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Below is what came out of the mouth of the guy who introduced Hillary last night in Ohio. From MSNBC:

But it was Obama supporters for whom Buffenbarger saved his most vitriolic contempt, and he proved that the Democratic Party’s coalition is nothing if not fragile. Channeling Howard Beale from the movie "Network," he yelled into the microphone, "Give me a break! I've got news for all the latte-drinking, Prius- driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies crowding in to hear him speak! This guy won't last a round against the Republican attack machine. He's a poet, not a fighter."

Well, at least the fucker didn't call me a cult member. Moron.

Posted by Michigan Matt | February 20, 2008 7:59 AM
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I really hate how negative her husband was early in the game and ut seems she's plowing right along still with it. That seriously is why I've turned against her. I came into this game liking her more and being a littlew pissed at Obama for the McClurkin thing but have changed my mind. I also have a hard time getting around her votes for the wars. Sorry but they say alot about how she thinks and its not very progressive.

Posted by Jersey | February 20, 2008 8:06 AM
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I don't think Obama is the wimp that so many of you seem to think he is. He came up through Chicago politics - he knows how to fight.

Hillary Clinton is a good woman, but they have 16 years of dirt on her, and an entire industry built around smearing her and her family. If nominated, she won't win. It's as simple as that, so why not try Obama?

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay | February 20, 2008 8:06 AM
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#96 + 97 is the basically what most Obama supporters sound like. 99.9%. That's about all they really say.

Posted by pencil riot | February 20, 2008 8:09 AM
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Is anyone else sick of the vile coming from both camps? Yeah I like and support Obama but if by some chance Hillary gets the nomination I will vote for her.

@89, good point about Hillary in the Senate. Ted Kennedy is getty old and you hit it on the head; we need another powerhouse in the Senate who can play that game which Hillary DOES play very well. Did you catch the article in Harpers about a year or so ago that suggested Hillary MAY be better off staying in the Senate for a variety of reasons? Interesting article.

As much as I want Obama to get the nomination (and at this point it seems very very likely unless he royally screws up) I WANT HILLARY TO GO NASTY ASS NEGATIVE ON HIM NOW!!! Seriously, Obama needs the baptism by fire in NASTY politics to get him ready for what the GOP is going to do. If Hillary wants us to win in November; SHE HAS TO TAKE THE GLOVES OFF and do everything she can to slime Obama.

Does that sound mean? Maybe, but if Obama can withstand the worse the Clinton machine can dish out...well he has it locked up on election day.

Posted by Andrew | February 20, 2008 8:11 AM
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hillary wouldnt be confirmed by senate let alone be a good supreme court justice. stop with the inanity already.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 8:13 AM
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Even though I'm not a Hillary supporter I dont think we should feel bad for her because it's not over yet. We should celebrate our individual victories but dont count her out yet because Hillary is a force to be reckoned with.

Posted by Troy | February 20, 2008 8:16 AM
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Unless a tape of Obama taking cash under the table from Rezko shows up he will get the nomination.

He has had an easy path thus far and much will be coming. The Clinton campaign will be criticized in hindsight for being too easy but they had no real option.

I hope that he tones down the we will change the couintry and then the world rhetoric but then he can't talk wonk for the next 8 months either.

Obama will hire Clinton and Edwards people and the campaign will evolve from the current movement to a more gritty campaign.

It will be a long winding road.

Posted by McG | February 20, 2008 8:26 AM
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@90:

You realize the "not specific enough" argument just makes you guys look foolish every single time, right?

http://www.nhelects.com/NHPrimaryVideos.asp?MultiID=74&HTitle=VLTitle

Oh, and check out his website once and awhile. There's a whole section called "issues" where he goes in depth.

Posted by Zelbinian | February 20, 2008 8:38 AM
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This quote from @36 says it all:

Feeling sorry for Hillary?

I'll put a hold on that feeling for about 48 hours to see how she behaves coming out of this loss tonight.

The writing is on the wall that it's over, and if she behaves graciously, I'll be inclined to indeed feel sorry for her.

More likely, I'm expecting a double dose of venom. A last-ditch death wish. In which case, I'll be wishing for somebody to douse the Wicked Witch with a bucket of water.

Somebody get the popcorn.

Hillary doesn't get it. She is blind to the fact that the writing is on the bathroom stall wall.

Tell ya what... I'll be as gracious in winning as she is as gracious in defeat...

mmm k Sven?

Reality Check

Posted by Reality Check | February 20, 2008 8:41 AM
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i dont think obama should change whats been working. all you armchair campaign managers that say he needs to change it up - now - are losing sight of the fact he's been nothing but inspirational and change oriented and kicked some serious ass. why tone down what he is good at and what is working

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 8:41 AM
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I feel bad for people who post on SLOG at 1:00 in the morning.

Posted by DOUG. | February 20, 2008 8:49 AM
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@95

That's an amazing quote. I don't drive a Prius, drink lattes, wear Birkenstocks, or have a trust fund. Nice to be reduced to a cultural stereotype, though.

Posted by AMB | February 20, 2008 8:52 AM
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Totally agree with Andrew (@99)!

Posted by Fitz | February 20, 2008 8:58 AM
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DOUG, insomnia sucks

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 8:58 AM
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@33 - Three words - Senate Majority Leader

The Dems are gonna take more seats in both the House and the Senate. With two women heading each house of the legislature, and Barack in the bully pulpit of the WH, we could see some truly fantastic stuff come out of our government for once. IF they can keep stupid pork projects to a minimum.

@57 Like Bill Richardson. I like him as either VP or Health, Education and Welfare secretary.

Then we'd have two women heading the Legislature writing and passing good legislation, an African-American President giving the oratory and signing the bills, and an Hispanic drug reformer w/ previous Executive branch and foreign policy experience as Veep.

Posted by NaFun | February 20, 2008 9:17 AM
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#98 what you need more? Those issues seem to be enough to put her away. Good luck with your candidate.

Posted by Jersey | February 20, 2008 9:20 AM
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@57 58 60
Great -- that hostility to Clinton will do wonders in getting the votes of her supporters. Sadly for some folks any suggestion of any information that detracts ever so slightly from the Obama boom is met with the hostility of a LaRouchie or a Scientologist. The survey data I mentioned is relevant. It says the % of fall off in the general is the SAME for Clinton and Obama supporters. The nondebatable fact is we have a party divided and some who didn't vote or support Obama in the nomination process won't be voting for him in the Fall. Obama is only 4 points ahead of McCain right now -- not good enough. There is an obvous way to minimize this by offering VP. You don't have to arrive at that conclusion to recognize it would help this problem -- I dind't say no other option for VP should be considered or that there aren't pros and cons.

--"Clinton probably wouldn't accept."
From your point of view that makes offering all the more attractive, you get most of the unity benefits and none of the detriments (from your point of view). So this is a resaon supporting my position and detracting from yours.

--"Two senators on a ticket is lousy political strategy." Eh yes, sure, to a defree. I wouldn't rule out Webb or Biden, though even though they are senators.

--"She doesn't bring any area of the country to the table that the top of the ticket doesn't win on his own."
You go on to suggest a southerner or a westerner. Implicitly, Richardson.
Very good, thinking about electability and that harsh electoral map. Glad to see this implicit recognition that Obama isn't going to just sweep all the purplish states on his own. Usually a southerner or a westerner is the best choice esp. if the top of the ticket isn't one. Historical data supports that. Good point. The counterargument is the same stuff you already utterly dismiss, we have party divided, Clinton got a ton of votes and offering VP immediately heals all wounds and unifies us and lets us all go forward to work like hell with a minimum of wounded feelings.

You could also say she is strong with Latinos, she won CA AZ NM perhaps will win Texas she won TN AR so she's aaahhhh a help in the SW. But most of all helps shore up the blue state & big state base and the big swing states. McCain is going to be a lot stronger than a traditional conservative in the bigger swing states like FL OH or other swing states like IA and VA. And Clinton does provide more foreign policiy experience which is the KEY FACTOR that Obama is weak on not among hipster art gallery types among those middel mercan swing voters out there in the middle of the country.

@60 special personal note:
You are mad because someone disagrees with you? Please dont' take it personally. This is what we mean we say some Obama folks are cultish.

"I actively have registered voters, some 17 now, 18 at election time, have you?" "I actively promote youth in my town (Bremerton) taking responsibility for their own actions and futures, I actively give young people a place to express themselves, do you? I actively run an art gallery open to everyone who walks in the door, do you? "I don't call that "anecdotal," do you? I'd call it actual experience."

Um, you "actively" run an art gallery and vaguely promote youth expression and put out a few voter registration forms? So what, you're now a full time activist?

Okaaayyy. Registering 35 voters and eveerything you do makes yo a wonderful person and is a nice start. hopefully you will continue beyond one candidate and one election cycle.

But it has nothign to do with the nonanecdotal data I based my arugment on.
"How many people are you personally responsibile for bringing to the caucuses? 1? 2?" Um again this has nothing to do with argument and is just LaRouchie type venomous reaction.

Nothing in my personal data or yours deals with the non anecdotal facts I was referring to. But, since you asked, I publicized the caucus in my precinct via e mail about 5 times, I put in about 4 volunteer hours and I handed in a dozen voter registration forms maybe. Overall over the years I have volunteered and worked full time without pay for real aftivist type jobs a total of about two years, have worked in full time activist jobs at activist pay levels several times for a few months each, and have worked thousands of hours part time evenings and weekends on political causes.
I guess when people lined up in the plaza and got machine gunned to death and I later helped publicize it, that related in some way to youth or free expression -- I mean some youth got shot, too -- but in general, no I do not focus on youth or art or free expression.
Voter registration right there on Broadway in Seattle, I didn't keep count of how many folks we registered to vote.

"Lets just say that young people want to be engaged in the process. And I help get them there...how's that for "anecdotal?"

It's perfectly "anecdotal" by definition, get a dictionary.

4 points ahead, a divided party, well over 40% is for Clinton in the party, and the idea of offering VP is "nuts." Got it. Unity, rah rah rah. Rising above the divisive politics of the past, rah rah rah. Unity, rah rah rah. We welcome Republican voters but not Sen. Clinton, and her supporters are nuts, unity blah blah rah rah rah.

Posted by unPC | February 20, 2008 9:22 AM
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I know lots of people who are not going to become President so I don't feel bad for HRC about that.

I only know of one person who's husband cheated on her, and she went on national TV with some kind of nutty "right wing conspiracy" theory only to be utterly humiliated when a twenty year younger woman produced a stained dress to prove that all the cheating stories were true. I do feel sorry for her over that one.

Posted by Mikeblanco | February 20, 2008 9:23 AM
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I feel bad for Bill. She's going to be hell to live with if she's not coronated.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me | February 20, 2008 9:29 AM
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unPC, your electoral college predictions are ridiculous. hillary is going to have to do better than kerry did in 04.

i dont get where you come up with these bizarro scenarios;

hillary won california, new york, etc etc so obama can't beat mccain there?

apply the converse; hillary got a red ass beating in at least 10 states, some of them blue, like washington, minnesota, wisky, etc. does that mean mccain could beat hillary there?

ill put it to you this way; obama just needs to win the same states as kerry plus georgia, south carolina, and either virginia or north carolina and the dems take the white house. no florida, no ohio, no michigan even.

what southern states do you honestly believe hillary picks up besides perhaps arkansas? TN? Tucky? the point is, these arent big potato states like SC, GA, and NC or VA.

i dont see how hillary or obama lose previous blue states to mccain. you gotta figure out what red states they can flip

Posted by Bellevue Ave | February 20, 2008 9:34 AM
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#114: Actually I get the opposite impression. I get the vibe that Bill is the one bringing about another coronary attack on himself....so outraged this is popularity and name alone didn't ordain his wife as president.

Hillary is going to continue to flourish in the Senate and have a long political career....Bill may have tarnished his legacy among Democrats at large and he definitely tarnished his legacy among African-Americans.

Posted by JasonC | February 20, 2008 10:04 AM
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I find it hard to feel TOO sorry for Kucinich:

http://tinyurl.com/2wdjgf

Posted by Greg | February 20, 2008 10:11 AM
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greg, the link doesn't work but i can tell from the file name exactly where you were going with that pity thing, and i have to agree with you. duly noted!

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