Slog - Comments on Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father... http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43 Benjamin Sargent died with his eyes open, fists clenched and strapped into a car seat after eight days without food or water, the county's top prosecutor said Wednesday. The 5-month-old was dropped off at his parents' house on Feb. 4, wearing a bright-blue snow suit and strapped into his car seat. Eight days later, he was found in the same position, said Peoria County State's Attorney Kevin Lyons during a bond hearing for the parents, who are charged with capital murder for their son's death.... "He died from starvation due to neglect from these two defendants, his parents," [said Peoria... Copyright 2008 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:20:11 -0800 Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:33:50 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe 87451461615213213165498498521

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945097 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945097 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:29:19 -0800 Comment by Sargon Bighorn Dan, Are you forwarding all these to James Dobson? This is an outrage that only you are screaming about.

]]> Sargon Bighorn http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945099 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945099 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:31:12 -0800 Comment by julia I'm a big believer in civil liberties, but people like this make me seriously consider if we should require a license to breed.

]]> julia http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945103 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945103 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:34:27 -0800 Comment by Stan I hate tweakers. I hate people who just get away with breeding. And I'd love to watch these two slowly starve to death.

]]> Stan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945107 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945107 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:39:46 -0800 Comment by Westside forever So, what point is there in continuing to post these stories? We got what you're trying to say a looooong time ago.

Not to mention that making easier for gay couples to adopt would not have made one bit of difference in this child's tragic, short, brutal life.

(and @3, licensing wouldn't help--forced sterilization is the answer)

]]> Westside forever http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945109 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945109 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:29 -0800 Comment by Eddie My mother doesn't want me to have children because I'm gay. Maybe I'll e-mail this article to her and say, "I may be gay, but at least I won't kill my kids."

]]> Eddie http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945111 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945111 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:41:12 -0800 Comment by Phelix That poor child. I wonder how the older sister survived to three years old.

God, tears seem to be the way to start this morning.

]]> Phelix http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945113 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945113 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:42:28 -0800 Comment by k-la @5 until we all have equal rights when it comes to marriage, adoption etc. etc. then we have to keep pushing...obviously we get it, but until the other side does these stories should be heard

]]> k-la http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945117 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945117 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:44:22 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi So who dropped the kid off at their house? A social worker? A more responsible relative?

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945119 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945119 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:44:58 -0800 Comment by Michigan Matt Jesus Christ! This made me tear up. . .

]]> Michigan Matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945120 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945120 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:45:17 -0800 Comment by Tlazolteotl You do have to wonder how these two were raised, to act like this. And the housemate! Why aren't they filing any charges against the guy living in the garage? He should have at least called CPS on these other two cretins.

]]> Tlazolteotl http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945121 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945121 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:45:27 -0800 Comment by Cat in Chicago While I appreciate the intentions behind these posts - if meth-crazed/self-obsessed gay men could accidently get pregnant, the stories would most likely be even more horrific.

]]> Cat in Chicago http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945126 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945126 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:51:51 -0800 Comment by NapoleonXIV Why do you hate straight people, Dan?

]]> NapoleonXIV http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945132 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945132 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:55:54 -0800 Comment by DanFan Forced sterilization does not even begin to describe the punishment that would be fitting for these two scumbags. It's a good start though - and definitely without anesthesia or painkillers. After the 8 days of agonizing suffering that this poor baby went through, the worst our civilized society is allowed to inflict on them is the "death penalty" which means 20 years on death row and then a merciful death with a needle. Makes me think that "uncivilized" punishments like stoning really could be appropriate in some cases...

Dan, it saddens me that you feel that you have to post things like this. It will never prove a point with those who don't agree that gay people should be parents, and for those of us (gay, straight, or other) that believe in your civil rights, you don't have to prove anything anyway. Perhaps your anger would better be channeled into writing to your congressman, and trying to make a change yourself. This probably has all the effectiveness of the pro-lifers putting pictures of dead fetuses in people's mailboxes: It's probably never changed anyone's position on the subject.

]]> DanFan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945133 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945133 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:55:59 -0800 Comment by Westside forever @8, but in this forum, Dan's just "preaching to the choir". Mainstream America will NEVER equate horrific child abuse at the hands of straights as a reason to give gays equal rights.

]]> Westside forever http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945143 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945143 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:03:22 -0800 Comment by Colin Throw 'em in a cell and don't feed 'em. Case closed.

]]> Colin http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945145 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945145 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:04:14 -0800 Comment by DanFan @16, Again, it's a start. Perhaps they should be immobilized as well, so that they can sit in their waste until it eats into their flesh as their baby had to do... Just a thought. :-)

]]> DanFan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945147 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945147 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:08:30 -0800 Comment by Fifty-Two-Eighty These are mt just your average, everyday irresponsible parents. They're junkies, crackheads; there's something more to the story. As for "not for the faint of heart" - why? Because the kid spent 8 days sitting in piss and shit? Anyone with half a brain had that figured out already.

]]> Fifty-Two-Eighty http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945148 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945148 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:10:43 -0800 Comment by crazycatguy @ 14: Dan posts these articles to point out the conservative rationale for denying gay couples the right to marry. Namely, that marriage should be reserved for heterosexual couples because they procreate and the resulting children are best raised by their biological parents. By presenting evidence to the contrary, Dan illustrates how absurd this reasoning is, and shows that the real reason - bigotry, is the primary motivator for denying gay couples the right to marry. Unfortunately, repetition is the best way to get the message through, because even our "friends" i.e. Clinton and Obama, think it is OK to deny marriage to gay couples. Keep it up, Dan.

]]> crazycatguy http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945153 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945153 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:13:34 -0800 Comment by DanFan @19, I am aware of Dan's rationale behind posting these articles; however, do you really think that the people that he is trying to preach to are actually reading SLOG?

]]> DanFan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945159 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945159 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:17:55 -0800 Comment by Jesse Dan should collect all of these up, put them in a binder and mail them out to the organizations that are actively against gay marriage.

]]> Jesse http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945194 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945194 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:32:41 -0800 Comment by tabletop_joe How is this possible?

]]> tabletop_joe http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945201 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945201 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:37:53 -0800 Comment by dan i'm also wondering why in the hell the housemate isn't being charged with anything. i had to read that paragraph three times before i realized that it meant just what it said; some random guy noticed the baby hadn't been moved and so he picked the car seat up and plopped it down in another room and then left. wtf?

]]> dan http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945211 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945211 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:45:23 -0800 Comment by Gay Seattle Thank you Dan. While the story is particularly terrible and difficult to read you do a tremendous service to everyone with these postings by opening people's eyes. I hope you are collecting all of these for future use.

]]> Gay Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945216 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945216 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:48:12 -0800 Comment by RHETT ORACLE "Gone, Baby, Gone" - see it at your local cinema. You know the ending will be the same as above.

Too bad we cannot shame and criticize irresponsible copulators. Oh wait, we can. Straight people with licenses [to wed] vs. gay people without licenses [to wed] do it all the time.

]]> RHETT ORACLE http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945278 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945278 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:27:44 -0800 Comment by Hairhead Dan, don't listen to the naysayers, continue posting these obscenities. And you who don't like 'em -- just look at the headline and skim them. Don't even bother to take 45 seconds to post your objections.

New people read this slog every day. The stories need to be posted so that, a drop at a time, a single raised consciousness at once, the issue of gay-v-het parents is put down, euthanized once and for all.

]]> Hairhead http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945287 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945287 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:34:19 -0800 Comment by Geni Why do people like this have children in the first place? I don't get it. It isn't mandatory. If you don't want the damn baby, don't make it. Do they not know what's causing it?

The really sick part is that they can make more kids, no matter how many they let die of neglect. They'll both marry some sicko prison-groupie while they're incarcerated and breed more children whose lives will be unimaginably horrific.

]]> Geni http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945303 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945303 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:43:15 -0800 Comment by great. now i'm crying. omg. I can't finish reading the story. This is WAY too reminiscent of what happened a few years ago when a guy I knew who graduated a year before me in my hometown killed his baby boy.

fucking.
tweakers.

]]> great. now i'm crying. http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945360 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945360 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:20:16 -0800 Comment by Queen_of_Sleaze @27: Most prison systems don't allow conjugal visits for inmates who are married while they are in prison, only to inmates who were married prior to being locked up. So hopefully that means no one will be popping out anything related to these two sick fucks.

Hope that makes you feel better.

]]> Queen_of_Sleaze http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945377 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945377 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:33:14 -0800 Comment by raindrop This is exactly the kind of crap that happens when two people shack-up out of wedlock and make babies. Shack-ups have no commitment and no responsiblity and are totally hedonistic at the expense of their own flesh and blood. If they were at least married, this probably wouldn't have happened.

]]> raindrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945437 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945437 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:59:32 -0800 Comment by wile_e_quixote
  1. Dan, keep on posting these. They're hard to read but the idiots of the Christoid right (and left) and their beliefs about gay marriage need to be constantly exposed as the hate filled garbage that they are.

  2. Raindrop @30
    This is exactly the kind of crap that happens when two people shack-up out of wedlock and make babies. Shack-ups have no commitment and no responsiblity and are totally hedonistic at the expense of their own flesh and blood. If they were at least married, this probably wouldn't have happened.

    Were you high when you wrote this? Or just stupid?

]]> wile_e_quixote http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945489 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945489 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:21:28 -0800 Comment by raindrop
@31: Obviously this is an extreme case but my argument is fundamentally sound. To bring children into the world into a home where the mother and father are not married is putting the kids at risk. Same sex parents should also be married (if possible) or in a civil union (if possible).
The more parents are committed legally (and optionally spiritually), the more they are likely to behave responsibly. But don't take my word for it, ask any social worker or family law attorney and they’ll back me up. Guaranteed.

]]> raindrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945572 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945572 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:52:59 -0800 Comment by Lou See Trainspotting

]]> Lou http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945871 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c945871 Hetero Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:33:00 -0800 Comment by wet_suit Now this is what I'm talking about (please see my comments on the next "every child deserves..." installment to make sense of this comment.

Fuck, there are some fuckin' evil people out there.

How incredibly horrible this is!!!

]]> wet_suit http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c946420 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c946420 Hetero Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:48:52 -0800 Comment by Raindrop wile_e_quixote @ 31
Re: 30 & 32
Disregard those and forgive me, I'm fucking high as all fuck.

]]> Raindrop http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c946465 http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/02/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_43#c946465 Hetero Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:33:50 -0800